Not to WK but I wonder how she can win here. Any mention of Palestine (even prior to recent events) labelled as performative. If she didn’t mention it at all she’s be equally called out. I wonder what she would have to do to be seen as genuine. I suspect there’s nothing for some. For me I take her views as someone who is informed and has been engaged with the issue for a long time, which is more than a lot of people commenting.
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I think clem is a very jarring person who can be quite irritating and polarising, and as a result we, the audience, can sometimes become distracted or off put by the messenger, rather than seeing the actual message itself
I feel like she can only focus on one topic at a time. At the moment she’s exclusively posting Palestine information and to be honest seems likes she’s very triggered regarding what other people are or aren’t doing/saying/posting. Guilting others into posting what you are and doing what you are doing isn’t the way to bring awareness to the subject.
At the end of the day she’s living her comfortable and safe life and re-posting reels on Instagram. Just leads back to the Moral Grandstanding that I posted about the other day.
I think at this point in time she would be better unpacking the misjustice of Britney Spears
Hamas is a dictatorship who has taken complete power of Gaza. Clem has said that many times. Palestinian people are not Hamas, just like the Israel government does not represent all Jewish people. They are words she has spoken.
I'm all for snarking but at least snark on facts.
It is a complex situation but I too am pro Palestine. Where do you suggest Palestinian people go? Israel could leave them be in Gaza.....The current conflict goes so far beyond October 2023
I agree, I do find it hard to align myself with either side, if I’m honest. Atrocities on both. If Palestine did secure the land Hamas don’t know how to run an economically viable country so they wouldn’t survive anyway without leaning very heavily on neighbouring countries.
Don’t want to derail to political chat but yes solutions, particularly by influencers, seem to be few and far between, quite like the anti lockdown brigade who never had answers to the question of how we protect the vulnerable of we just let everyone get on with their lives (pre vaccine).
Lauren Dubois is doing the same at the moment too. It’s like they lurch from one cause to another.
Yes, it’s bloody awful but just put your phone down for a minute and keep your thoughts to yourself.
I’m so tired of hearing from the morality police….
They are arguing for a cause that inherently despises they way they live their lives, I don’t get it?
Because it’s not actually about the “cause”, it’s about account engagement..that’s what brings them home the $$$. Any interaction brings in money, even if it’s annoyance or disagreement
The beheaded/murdered babies claim is actually unverified. Women yes definitely and I'm not suggesting that Hamas attacks were justified in any way.
This is Clementine's pro-palestine position which is not saying that Hamas is in the right or justified.
Attachments
It bothers me so much that they are trying to capitalise on such awful, awful events. They are not a news source. Just random suburban white women who think people want to hear about what they have to say.
They would not last a second in one of those countries.
**Resorts to personal attacks
I completely agree with this plus the other user calling them the morality police. Jumping from one cause to another, the BLM square, the Palestine hashtag, endless stories on the Yes vote now that’s dropped for the war machine. This is performative activism and screeching at her followers is doing what? Is she raising money, can she name any people in her life prior to the past few weeks who have been effected by this war?
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I mean we can move on to something else but it’s all Clem is posting and it’s a decisive issue. People are bound to disagree but there is an Ignore button for a reason.
Surely that post was related to the post Mia made about Clementine (also without saying her name).
The back and forth between the two of them is so petty in the scheme of things.
It’s funny you’re concerned about the 7 million israeli colonial settlers, but have no regard at all for the native Palestinians who have had their homes stolen so Israel can illegally expand their borders, been killed (young babies up to elderly), displaced and thrown into open air prisons living with daily crimes against humanity at the hands of the IDF and with very few human rights.
On your question about what a free Palestine looks like - it would entail:
- An immediate ceasefire
- Destroy the separation wall
- End genocide on Palestinians, end Apartheid conditions
- Demand Israeli occupiers release 5000+ political hostages (that yes, include children who are kept in military prisons and cut off from contact with their families and legal representation. Abuse at the hands of IDF is rife in these prisons)
- Hamas release 200 hostages
- Demand basic human rights for Palestinians - End the Occupation
- Israel to answer to and be held accountable for 65 international war crimes as verified by the United Nations
- End Extremist Zionist ideologies, White
Supremacy and propaganda
The fact that you’re okay with Israel outright lying about beheaded babies to inspire a global anger leading to a genocide in Gaza and not wondering what else they’re lying about is unbelievably naive of you. Meanwhile babies are genuinely being blown apart by the thousands in Gaza, but I guess that’s okay cos they’re doing it via indiscriminate shelling of civilian areas? Also, it’s actually not been proven at all that the hospital bombing was self fire. There has been no official statement released from any credible body that the bombing was definitely not Israel and of course Israel won’t allow any experts in to assess the situation. I think you’re forgetting Israel proudly claimed responsibility for the hospital bombing originally and then backtracked. This was not the first hospital they’ve bombed, but it did have the largest death toll. FYI just in case you haven’t been keeping up, they’ve also bombed multiple UN schools, churches & mosques as well as residential buildings filled with families sleeping. They’ve also bombed civilians as they try to escape as instructed. They’ve bombed ambulances, journalists. All of these are war crimes.
Taking all of this into account, I’m totally okay with Clem using her platform to speak up for a people who are being absolutely massacred while the media regurgitates Israeli propoganda. I don’t always agree with her, but in this instance, she has all my respect and admiration.
Ladies. Or maybe fellas? I tend to assume ladies but maybe my bad. All for a bit of debate but it’s clear we are at an impasse and there’s little point continuing to reiterate your positions when there is no recourse for any agreement.
Actually no it hasn’t been proven? Proven where? Yes there are a group of Jewish people native to the land, as well as many Christians and Muslims. They actually all lived together relatively peacefully in Palestine before the Nakba of 1948. I’m referring to the millions of American, European etc settlers who have moved to Israel (in illegal settlements) despite having no ties to that land which is in the Middle East, at the expense of the people who were already living there for generations. Also everyone is getting tired of people equating criticism of the fascist Israeli govt as anti-semitism. We’d be critical if any other government anywhere in the world had carried out atrocities in the same way.
Your take is really interesting and reeks of following the Israeli script. “When they got in one hole”. You really haven’t looked into the Palestinian deaths that Israel have been responsible for over the last 75 years? There is a legitimate chart that you can look up which compares the number of deaths from each side. I think you might be shocked, although maybe you won’t be. Maybe you’re aware of the hundreds of thousands of palestinian deaths and displacement. The fact that you are even equating Israel as the victim here in any way is beyond bizarre or tells me you don’t have all the information. It’s very telling that you think that 2 million people being caged in behind a wall is a totally logical and normal answer to the issues.
Also I’m not calling for the total “destruction of Israel”. How dramatic. The gaslighting is real. Asking for freedom and rights for Palestinians and not wanting them to be slaughtered isn’t making Israel the victim again.
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Is this a hard launch or am I confused and they just love Clem as a friend
I reckon hard launch. One comment said it's the horniest hard launch they've seen in a while and I found that so funny.
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