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ETA - sorry I should say, this is her response to the post from the dermatologist re tret application...
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Yikes!
When I scroll back through her stuff she seems authentic and less sales pushy
ETA - sorry I should say, this is her response to the post from the dermatologist re tret application...
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Its a bit rich caroline claiming that dr natalia is always involved in drama when caroline herself is always involved in a drama with someone and sticks her two cents in everything even if its not needed. Pot kettle black. How about she starts praticing what she preaches instead of being a hypocrite. I don't get why she called dr natalia fame hungry she herself is the epitome of someone who is fame hungry. She would try sell ice to eskimos if it meant she made money. Unlike her dr natalia has morals and standards on what advice she gives and what she recommends.
ETA - sorry I should say, this is her response to the post from the dermatologist re tret application...
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Oh she's definitely keen for publicity.
But at least (unlike Caroline) she has to uphold and answer to the professional standards from the British Association of Dermatologists (and the NHS?)
Both are attention-seeking losers who thrive on confrontation as far as I'm concerned.
I love that caroline decided to go for ad hominem instead of adressing the actual argument. Deflect deflect deflect
Can't let anyone know she has no basis on giving advice on how to use prescription medication. Nothing but a glorified beauty counter sales associate who know thinks she single handidly reopened salons and brought BLM to light using her white saviour complex.
Can't let anyone know she has no basis on giving advice on how to use prescription medication. Nothing but a glorified beauty counter sales associate who know thinks she single handidly reopened salons and brought BLM to light using her white saviour complex.
Is it not Caroline insinuating Dr Dray is sick and undermines her advice as per the freaks group? Speculating on people's health is just so noble.
I don't think CH is telling people how to use prescription medication but OTC retinol in her book. From what I've read she generally tends to caveat with unless you are told by your Dr/dermatologist otherwise.
I don't think Caroline is saying anything most people who see that photo would think the same. Dr Dray is clearly sick imo, she looks grey. It is sad looking back at that photo of her. I refuse to watch her content because she looks so ill it really makes me uncomfortable.
I am NOT a CH fan AT ALL but I am kinda on her side in all this?...
I agree with Dr. Natalia to an extent, nobody without the relevant qualifications should be giving skincare advice, and to that end, I don’t agree with CH’s book existing at all. However, it is odd to latch onto this retinol/retinoids chapter. CH is actually only quoting what the manufacturers of these products say. I use prescription tret and even the literature in that states not to use around the eyes, lips or nostrils. I’m sure it is safe to do so as this Dr. Natalia says, but CH is only really qualified to quote the manufacturers own guidelines, IMO if she had gone against that in her book she would have been MORE out of order, not being a qualified derm herself.
It does seem that this Dr. Natalia is just looking for a fight, I can see her scouring the book for ammunition! And if it is true that she asked for a This Morning introduction then is does seem as if there may be an ulterior motive at play.
I think there is plenty to criticise CH for but in this particular instance I think she is reaching...
I agree with Dr. Natalia to an extent, nobody without the relevant qualifications should be giving skincare advice, and to that end, I don’t agree with CH’s book existing at all. However, it is odd to latch onto this retinol/retinoids chapter. CH is actually only quoting what the manufacturers of these products say. I use prescription tret and even the literature in that states not to use around the eyes, lips or nostrils. I’m sure it is safe to do so as this Dr. Natalia says, but CH is only really qualified to quote the manufacturers own guidelines, IMO if she had gone against that in her book she would have been MORE out of order, not being a qualified derm herself.
It does seem that this Dr. Natalia is just looking for a fight, I can see her scouring the book for ammunition! And if it is true that she asked for a This Morning introduction then is does seem as if there may be an ulterior motive at play.
I think there is plenty to criticise CH for but in this particular instance I think she is reaching...
She frequently shuts down posts in her freak groups with topics she doesn't agree with. But she frequently allows her freaks to discuss and de-legitimize doctor's advice because derms don't tell their patients to swipe up to purchase the latest £95 cream or her kits.
She can't act holier than thou about slagging off your colleague when Caroline constantly puts selling products she gets a kickback from, above those of doctors.
Caroline is mad that Dr Natalia is playing the same game as her, but with better qualifications.
She can't act holier than thou about slagging off your colleague when Caroline constantly puts selling products she gets a kickback from, above those of doctors.
Caroline is mad that Dr Natalia is playing the same game as her, but with better qualifications.
That's Dr. Natalia's point. The pamphlet tells patients to not apply the tret to your eye balls, but you more than certainly can use it on the skin around your eyes.
I watched some of Dr Natalia's videos and I can't warm to her. That being said, it's rich that Caroline is accusing her of loving the drama. How many people/ brands has Caroline "come for"?
I'd tend to agree with this. As has been pointed out, Dr Natalia is simply the better qualified one
So people in the freaks group are complaining because they ordered Sunday Riley products through their new UK website (which was launched to coincide with Caroline’s kits and brand offers) but haven’t received products / communication about when they can expect them. Caroline’s shutting it down, saying that comments about poor service aren’t fair. I think that’s so wrong of her - people have spent their money with Sunday Riley on this website because SHE has pushed them to. At the very least don’t they deserve some communication about when they can expect to receive goods they’ve paid for?
Sigh. Surely Caroline has a contact in Sunday Riley she can escalate that to?
Why are comments about poor service not fair?
i thought the customer was always right.
i thought the customer was always right.
Yes, what happened to Stop, Drop & Serve, Caroline? She's only defending them because she gets a cut from any purchase using one of her codes.
She’s such a bloody hypocrite.
I've used a Strivectin eye product which is now discontinued. It worked (it was meant for dark circles), but only as long as you are using it. Strivectin used to be kept in Harvey Nichols, so if you were anywhere near, you could try a tester because it's quite an expensive range.
That's an appalling attitude from CH. I really don't understand why she can't just say I'm really sorry about this and I will flag with Sunday Riley. I can't believe that woman and how she has managed to become so popular. She treats her followers like dirt
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