Caroline Hirons #2

Jaybtee said:

Does she still have those terrible false eyelashes?? You’d think one of her friends would tell her they’re awful, too black for her hair colour (chip pan yellow) and not one of them going in the right direction
I unfollowed a wee while ago, but I noticed her daughter is cavorting around trying to become a fitness influencer

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The eyelashes are gone, thank christ. They were absolutely dreadful, she looked like she'd take flight at any minute

Ava’s been doing the suggestive images on SM thing for years. Way before she was 18 (i think she is actually 18 now). She had a depop (?) account where she was ‘modelling’ the items for sale, always heavy-lidded pouty, semi naked, paedophilic wet dreams. Caroline must’ve been aware, I found it by googling Ava’s name, it was in the first few results and I’m no whizz. Zero sense of safeguarding. She must’ve been 16 at the time .

Nothing about Sali Hughes’ beauty box on Caroline’s channels? I haven’t looked at any of her feeds for months and months, the chat you have to endure to get to the information does my head in.

GossipMongoose said:

Ava’s been doing the suggestive images on SM thing for years. Way before she was 18 (i think she is actually 18 now). She had a depop (?) account where she was ‘modelling’ the items for sale, always heavy-lidded pouty, semi naked, paedophilic wet dreams. Caroline must’ve been aware, I found it by googling Ava’s name, it was in the first few results and I’m no whizz. Zero sense of safeguarding. She must’ve been 16 at the time .

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I had the same thought. She might be trying to be a fitness influencer but her profile will just attract the wrong kind of attention

Caroline strikes me as just the kind of slightly tacky mum who’d be fine with her daughter being a glamour model. She’s probably pulling all the strings to get her signed at Gleam or somewhere like that.

On Ava's Instagram she is working out during lockdown in a gym. This gym looks over a huge garden. Is this on the ground floor of Caroline's home? There is a wooden sin lounger in the garden, but in yesterday's stories Caroline said they had finally bought proper garden furniture. They had bought a black set.

I'veloveditforyears said:

On Ava's Instagram she is working out during lockdown in a gym. This gym looks over a huge garden. Is this on the ground floor of Caroline's home? There is a wooden sin lounger in the garden, but in yesterday's stories Caroline said they had finally bought proper garden furniture. They had bought a black set.

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I don’t think that’s their house or garden.

Ava’s a Kardashian wannabe.

Fitness Trainer??, yeah right.

AmberSpyglass said:

I don’t think that’s their house or garden.

Ava’s a Kardashian wannabe.

Fitness Trainer??, yeah right.

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I don’t think so either, it looks totally different. I have to say I’m really shocked looking at Ava’s Instagram. Not only does she look like an incredibly arrogant bitch and seems to be proud of it (sorry, I know she’s only a teenager, and I have to say in hindsight at that age I probably wasn’t my most likeable either), but also what about all those thong pictures and the bum obsession? My mum is fairly relaxed, but there’s no way she would have allowed me to post those pictures. Is this how the kids are today? Is this what social media does to teenagers? I feel really old saying that, but I really find it quite appalling and dangerous.

Shineyshine said:

Wrt Dr Dray, I respect her opinions as a qualified dermatologist, and would take her advice over CH or any of these other self appointed experts any day of the week!

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The thing about Dr Dray is... I’m not sure she’s a qualified dermatologist. She did finish medical school, but I’m not sure she practised as a doctor for long, if at all. She’s too ill with anorexia to work (and I don’t mean that in an idle speculation way - it’s obvious how ill she is by looking at her).

Dr Sam Bunting is another one who apparently lies by omission when it comes to her dermatology qualifications. She isn’t a Consultant because she didn’t complete the training.

maytoseptember said:

The thing about Dr Dray is... I’m not sure she’s a qualified dermatologist. She did finish medical school, but I’m not sure she practised as a doctor for long, if at all. She’s too ill with anorexia to work (and I don’t mean that in an idle speculation way - it’s obvious how ill she is by looking at her).

Dr Sam Bunting is another one who apparently lies by omission when it comes to her dermatology qualifications. She isn’t a Consultant because she didn’t complete the training.

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I knew about Dr Bunting not being all she purports, but I thought Dr Dray was a licensed practicing dermatologist, is this incorrect? I’ll be really disappointed if so!

maytoseptember said:

The thing about Dr Dray is... I’m not sure she’s a qualified dermatologist. She did finish medical school, but I’m not sure she practised as a doctor for long, if at all. She’s too ill with anorexia to work (and I don’t mean that in an idle speculation way - it’s obvious how ill she is by looking at her).

Dr Sam Bunting is another one who apparently lies by omission when it comes to her dermatology qualifications. She isn’t a Consultant because she didn’t complete the training.

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Dr Anjali Mahto is a specialist Dermatologist and has urged those looking for treatment to make sure they check the medical register to find a Dr who actually did the additional dermatologist training and qualified.
She has never named names of those who aren’t as qualified as her but I do wonder if she has Sam Bunting in mind when she posts these messages.

I used to be on the freaks group. Don’t get me wrong, some of the information on there and product recommendations are bang on, and there are loads of really helpful people on there who know their stuff. But I found it a bit bitchy sometimes. A lass (I think someone mentioned it above) made a live streamed video in the group slagging off someone who had asked Caroline a question on her instagram when apparently it had already been addressed on her blog and everyone was laughing and taking the piss out of the person. I thought it was quite harsh because the person might have been a new fan of Caroline who might have only heard of her recently, or might have been a person who isn’t very technology or social media savvy so wouldn’t have known what a ‘blog’ was. It came across as a bit of a witch hunt and I didn’t like it.

Why do people who like her call themselves freaks? Freak meant hippy style when I was growing up, as opposed to geek or nerd.

Those can do, those that can't become influencers... If you're a properly qualified consultant dermatologist you'll earn more money doing that (injectables and lasers etc) than gambling on becoming an influencer. Also you'll be able to see how stupid and without any evidence the claims made for skincare really are, which would make it more difficult to enthusiastically flog this junk.
If you're not properly qualified (or even failed to qualify) then you make statements which give the impression you're qualified whilst never actually lying so that you can't be reported for impersonating a doctor...

Shineyshine said:

I knew about Dr Bunting not being all she purports, but I thought Dr Dray was a licensed practicing dermatologist, is this incorrect? I’ll be really disappointed if so!

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I’m happy to be proved wrong and I may well have it wrong. I don’t actually watch her videos because she’s so ill it makes me uncomfortable. But she has multiple threads on Guru Gossiper and people were picking apart her working history there.

AmberSpyglass said:

Dr Anjali Mahto is a specialist Dermatologist and has urged those looking for treatment to make sure they check the medical register to find a Dr who actually did the additional dermatologist training and qualified.
She has never named names of those who aren’t as qualified as her but I do wonder if she has Sam Bunting in mind when she posts these messages.

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Yep, on the GMC register, Sam Bunting's designated body is the British College of Aesthetic Medicine whereas Ankali Mahto is on the specialist register of dermatology.

But minus infinity points to Dr Mahto for appearing on that appalling Charlotte Tilbury 'panel of experts' on that BS crystal magic serum piece

This was her in Dec 2019 on her IG post about medical influencers: I do not personally see myself as a “medical influencer”. I am a doctor, first and foremost and being a doctor is a strong part of my personal identity. Despite the blue tick and a certain number of followers, I have resisted the idea that I “influence” but rather prefer the idea that my platform on the whole “educates” and makes credible, science-based information accessible

As with a lot of influencing, money talks

maytoseptember said:

I’m happy to be proved wrong and I may well have it wrong. I don’t actually watch her videos because she’s so ill it makes me uncomfortable. But she has multiple threads on Guru Gossiper and people were picking apart her working history there.

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Thanks. I’ll definitely look into it further. She is painfully thin, but I don’t watch anything to do with her lifestyle, recipes etc. I only look up if it’s skincare related, and for something specific. I have found that she generally gives sensible advice and reasonably priced suggestions that work.

Curio said:

Hmm I think they’ve both taken them down, maybe they agreed to disagree. CH posted something scathing about Axiology and Estée called her out on it. Then she responded to Estée saying something about how although it wasn’t her finest moment (paraphrased) she wouldn’t take advice from an anonymous account that gave Brandon Truaxe a hard time before he died. They posted up her message but covered up the bit where she called them out on Brandon. Now it’s all gone. The attached was their post of her first post.

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That's a big rich coming from her. She slagged him off plenty in the FB Freaks group before he died.

Shineyshine said:

Thanks. I’ll definitely look into it further. She is painfully thin, but I don’t watch anything to do with her lifestyle, recipes etc. I only look up if it’s skincare related, and for something specific. I have found that she generally gives sensible advice and reasonably priced suggestions that work.

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I think she was a working dermatologist but she left her job quite suddenly. If you google Dr Andrea Suarez you should find more info. She did graduate med school but not sure what happened after there. She does online consulting so one would hope she’s qualified!

I've been a follower/semi-fan for quite a few years now, and I've definitely seen a change in her. I think it might have a bit to do with the pressure of both of her adult children started working for her. And given that Jim is pretty much her business partner, we can assume that the "Caroline Hirons brand" pretty much supports the whole family now, so it makes sense that her choices have become more business-oriented. What I have more of an issue with is the TINY tiny pool of brands that she associates with and recommends on a regular basis. She is supposedly "one of the most influential skincare experts" in the business who champions brands that are rooted in Science, yet she has never heard of or tried brands such as SkinMedica, Sente, Neocutis, Defenage and iS Clinical, that's a bit bizarre really since those are some of the most scientifically advanced brands out there. And for someone who claims P50 to be one of her all-time favorite products, she doesn't seem to know anything about the hundreds of other SKUs Biologique Recherche has, makes you wonder if she will ever acknowledge brands that are unlikely to pay her (even Victoria Beckham had to pay for her BR products). Also her (and Sali Hughes') dismissive attitude towards K-beauty bothers me, I don't want to use the "r" word but it certainly sounds arrogant to say ALL brands and products coming out of a country are "trend-based" and "lack substance".