Caroline Flack

[Wills315]

So watched the documentary last night, you have all pretty much said what i feel. There was very little mention of her receiving treatment, even when it was suggested she was bipolar she didn't want to hear it and they couldn't mention it for fear of upsetting her. I'm speaking as someone who has suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts since I was 11 years old and have tried one attempt on my life, so I empathise with anyone going through mental health struggles. I understand denial is all part of it but there comes a point where you have to admit you need help and you aren't coping. She had money to check herself in somewhere, i struggle to understand why she never done that? Why was she not sectioned after multiple attempts shortly before she actually succeeded?
The downplaying of the assault is problematic but what will forever baffle me , is how the hell her "relationship " with a 17 year old CHILD at the age of 31, was glossed over and romanticised. In ireland most 17 year old boys are still in school. Why was she not sacked then? Imagine if, for example dermot o'leary had started a relationship with cher Lloyd at the time? He would be sacked and never work in tv again and rightly so! Because she's a woman and Harry was "famous" it was ok? Notice her mum never made any mention of that. Would she have been OK with her Carrie dating a man in his 30s at 17?

 

[Beverley Macker]

I haven’t seen it, but did it look like they were telling the truth over Harry Styles? Because I always heard she was a beard for Nick Grimshaw and Harry?

 

[Wills315]

I haven’t seen it, but did it look like they were telling the truth over Harry Styles? Because I always heard she was a beard for Nick Grimshaw and Harry?

Sorry what do you mean? What truth are you referring to? Or who is they?

 

[troutpout69]

I don’t have a problem with her dating younger men. They were over the age of consent at the end of the day. I suspect her emotional immaturity led to her wanting to date younger men.

 

[redruby91]

I really truly feel for Caroline's mum. You can tell she's heartbroken and struggling and my heart genuinely goes out to her. But at the same time, she frustrates me. I feel like in her eyes, Caroline can never do any wrong and I can't stand parents like that, that can never criticise their children's actions. It leads to spoilt and unhealthy behaviour.

At the end of the day, Caroline did do wrong and she did assault her boyfriend. She deserved to be punished for that legally and she did deserve to be called out by the public and press. If it were a man, their treatment would be a lot worse. The police/prosecution in this case can't win. If they did nothing, they'd be criticised for not doing anything about her abusive behaviour as she's female and famous. When they did do something, they got a lot of stick for that, too.

Her exes even came out saying she was abusive and hard work. She clearly had a lot of issues and was hard work. Olly Murs even said she used to obsessively read up comments about herself on Twitter and other socials.

I don't like the way Caroline's mum has sort of snubbed Lou and other friends that really tried their hardest to help. Lou even was the one to find Caroline (along with her dad), and her dad tried resuscitating Caroline which must have been really traumatic. Caroline's mum has never shown gratitude or support to Lou, her dad or any of Caroline's friends.

We already had the Channel 4 documentary a few years ago about Caroline, I don't understand why we need another. I know what Caroline's mum is trying to do, she wants the public to change their mind about her daughter and feel guilt and remorse for anything bad that they've said. But I'm sorry, Caroline was abusive and hard work and that behaviour shouldn't be excused. I say this as a female victim of dv myself in a previous relationship. It does anger me to be honest.

I was quite surprised when Christine claimed it was Jodie who found her when I’d always read it was her dad and Lou. Is this an outright lie by Christine? I also didn’t find the friend Molly and her manager ( name escapes me) particularly sincere. They seemed to be covering a lot and was just lip service for Christine.

 

[ahtisyourself]

I was quite surprised when Christine claimed it was Jodie who found her when I’d always read it was her dad and Lou. Is this an outright lie by Christine? I also didn’t find the friend Molly and her manager ( name escapes me) particularly sincere. They seemed to be covering a lot and was just lip service for Christine.

Lou went to the flat first and it was locked and couldn’t get in. She then rang her dad and Jodie who was on the way. All 3 found her and Lou’s dad took Caroline down and tried to resuscitate her. This has been completely airbrushed by Christine however. But maybe Lou asked not to be mentioned in the doc, we don’t know that either.

 

[Wills315]

I don’t have a problem with her dating younger men. They were over the age of consent at the end of the day. I suspect her emotional immaturity led to her wanting to date younger men.

He wasn't a man though, he was a boy. 17 is a child, she was a grown woman. If he was 20/21 I'd say fair enough, as long as there was not a power balance etc. but when they are under 18 , no that's crossing a line. I'm around the age she was at the time she dated him, and i can safely say I would never even entertain a 17 year old boys advances , not even for a second. Legal or not, morally that does not sit right with me. So if a grown adult dated a teenage relative under the age of 18, you would be ok with it as long as they were immature themselves? Each to their own but I would be out for blood if I learned my 17 yo son was sleeping with 31 year old.

 

[Ablemabel]

He wasn't a man though, he was a boy. 17 is a child, she was a grown woman. If he was 20/21 I'd say fair enough, as long as there was not a power balance etc. but when they are under 18 , no that's crossing a line. I'm around the age she was at the time she dated him, and i can safely say I would never even entertain a 17 year old boys advances , not even for a second. Legal or not, morally that does not sit right with me. So if a grown adult dated a teenage relative under the age of 18, you would be ok with it as long as they were immature themselves? Each to their own but I would be out for blood if I learned my 17 yo son was sleeping with 31 year old.

I know everyone is different but I do agree. When I was 29, a 19 year old at my work took an interest in me. It was very flattering and he was extremely handsome, but there is no way I would even entertain it. The age gap felt massive then!

(I'm a bit disturbed to realise he will now be 43. time really does fly)

 

[Weefa]

Dawn O'Porter did today on her Instagram and said she was proud of Christine.

I just saw her post there now.

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

I'm uncomfortable at the underlying suggestion that domestic violence shouldn't be fully investigated if the victim withdraws their accusation or the accused is having a tough time

It's making me extremely uncomfortable. The truth is, she probably would have got a slap on the wrist and sent on a Building Better Relationships course, and that might actually have helped her turn the corner. Far from being life ending, it might actually have been the catalyst she needed to seek meaningful help.

The whole reason the police are now primed to continue prosecution after a victim withdraws their statement is because the consequences of dropping it can be irreversible and fatal.

 

[Pizzledizzle]

I may be wrong but I’m sure Mollie was one of the friends that were banned from the funeral, alongside Lou & Lewis. And now, she’s super friend in this documentary? Call me a cynic but I’m sure it’s nothing to do with her producer/TV influence…

 

[tagliatelle]

The whole reason the police are now primed to continue prosecution after a victim withdraws their statement is because the consequences of dropping it can be irreversible and fatal.

Also because she either did it, and it’s a crime (whether or not the other person wants to recognise it as such), or he made a false allegation, which is a crime.

 

[troutpout69]

There’s loads of people baying for blood for the officer who challenged the CPS. I’ve even seen her named on loads of fb posts. I’ve no doubt she’s getting plenty of horrible messages now!

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

Also because she either did it, and it’s a crime (whether or not the other person wants to recognise it as such), or he made a false allegation, which is a crime.

Or the alternative, which I believe is closer to the defence she would have used, which is that she threw the phone, it hit him, but it was an accident. From what I can make out, the reason it went to a full prosecution is that she initially admitted to hitting him, but later said it was an accident. If she'd said "I did it", she'd (probably) have walked away with a caution. She decided she wanted to defend herself by saying it was an accident so the only thing that can really happen from there is prosecution. That's open justice - if you're accused of a crime, your options are to admit it, or defend yourself. She chose the latter, either because it was true or because she was afraid of losing her career.

I appreciate that's unpalatable to her family, but if the police just decided to ignore everything that someone said was an accident a lot of people would be getting away with murder.

 

[tagliatelle]

Or the alternative, which I believe is closer to the defence she would have used, which is that she threw the phone, it hit him, but it was an accident. From what I can make out, the reason it went to a full prosecution is that she initially admitted to hitting him, but later said it was an accident. If she'd said "I did it", she'd (probably) have walked away with a caution. She decided she wanted to defend herself by saying it was an accident so the only thing that can really happen from there is prosecution. That's open justice - if you're accused of a crime, your options are to admit it, or defend yourself. She chose the latter, either because it was true or because she was afraid of losing her career.

I appreciate that's unpalatable to her family, but if the police just decided to ignore everything that someone said was an accident a lot of people would be getting away with murder.

Genuinely: if you throw something in someone’s general direction, is it a defence to say you didn’t mean to hit them?

 

[truffletrot]

Christine flack was on Spencer Matthew’s podcast talking about the case and Spencer was asking her how they were able to go on with the case even though LB had refused to cooperate, and her mum answered it with ‘they continue even if the victim doesn’t cooperate which does more harm than good”

errr. No, that’s definitely a good measure in place! And it was put in place so that domestic abusers couldn’t terrify their victims to not cooperate!

 

[Boogs]

She really is putting dangerous information out there. Caroline hit her boyfriend in the head with ‘something’ when he was sleeping and caused a head injury that bled. She also lost her tit and flipped a table at the police station. That is not acceptable behaviour and whether you have mental health issues or not you are still accountable for your actions. I’m sure most victims of domestic abuse don’t want to press charges and most perpetrators will make excuses for their behaviour and avoid accountability. I hate to say it but I can see why Caroline couldn’t handle consequences if her mum babied her like this.

 

[Mayday]

It's irritating seeing people on the Spencer Matthews comments saying it's up to Lewis to clear all this up. Clear up what? He gave his statement of what happened to the police and said he didn't want it to go to trial...what more could he have done? I don't agree with him sending the photo of her blood out to his friend and don't think he was some great person either, but I don't know what people expect him to do now. He can't exactly come out and say 'yeah I do feel Caroline was abusive' as he'd get attacked, and he probably doesn't want this to keep being dragged on.

 

[ahtisyourself]

It’s also funny how in all the texts and voicenotes shared, that Caroline never once said she can’t cope with the online trolling she’s getting. Her gripes were very clearly with the CPS and the media misrepresentation. Yes she was getting ridiculed and mocked but that doesn’t seem to have been the driving force in her mental decline. It’s clear the fact that the CPS said they wouldn’t drop the charges and the fact the police cam footage would be released in court was too much for her to cope with, as having come as far as she did since the incident, she ended her life two days after this news. But that didn’t stop every z lister Tom fool and Harry screaming “they trolled her to death”, while looking for their five seconds afterwards. I have no idea how this has been rewritten by self serving z listers as her being bullied to death by online trolls when it is clearly so much more nuanced and complex than just that.

 

[Salted Caramel]

Watched the doc, and read this thread from page 1. Makes for some grim reading tbh.