Caroline Flack #2

[Keera]

Why ring the police? He was hit once. He woke up. And could have just been like wtf. Could have calmed her down and spoken to her and sorted out the situation. This wasn't a frenzied attack....where his life was in danger? Not that we know of. Fair enough if he really thought she was going to kill him but I doubt it. We know he lied about the lamp. The blood wasn't even his. So why ring the police, she wasn't holding a knife to his throat that we know of. He was caught out cheating and turned it around on her, in my opinion. He even supposedly had said he was gonna ruin her. Then for social media he played the loving and doting boyfriend. Yes she shouldn't have hit him but I imagine she was so upset that he was cheating on her and she had a moment of madness where she's clipped him with her phone on his head and obviously because he's been asleep, it's probably a huge shock and makes it seem worse than it is?

The thing which gets me is the photo...imagine your partner has slit their wrists and you're alone in your partners house. You take a photo of your partners blood and send it to a mate/ex. That isn't normal behaviour either and if that photo hadn't got out, maybe it wouldn't have seemed half as bad for Caroline. Just my opinion and I know others will disagree

A genuine question - do you believe someone’s life has to be at risk before they report violence to the police?
for example if someone punched me in the street I should not report it if they did not try to kill me explicitly?

ETA: I ask this because in DV cases it rarely begins with an outright murder attempt. It begins with a kick there or a slap there or a black eye explained away as “nothing” before ultimately things escalate. We have made strides in telling people to speak up and report what isn’t right in their relationships before it becomes a tragic statistic and comments like that set that work back years in my opinion.

I understand you are commenting on a specific set of people whose lives are public and the nuances of their specific situation, but saying things like “its not like she was holding a knife to his throat” is really quite a damaging opinion to hold (in my opinion).

 

[Luckycorr13]

You have to give Lewis credit where it’s due to be fair. In the five years since her death, I don’t think he’s ever done even one media interview or sob story or even shared anything online about what went on or divulged any details. There’s many a z lister who would have milked what happened for all it’s worth and done interviews galore, written books and completely capitalised on what went on. His biggest crime really seems to be moving on with his life?

THIS
This deserves credit

 

[10%]

The news agents did an interview with her mum and it was really bad. Undermines their credibility as they took her one sided story as a universal truth.
The CPS were right to push ahead. If the genders were reversed no one would question it.
It's tragic that she took her life but the professionals involved were behaving responsibly and its worth reading the official statements rather than from someone with huge emotions attached to it.

 

[10%]

Interesting. I too thought of another TV presenter that reminded me of Caroline’s fall from grace, and that was Paula Yates. A very colourful character, very attractive to the press, a lot of public interest in her personal life. All sunshine and rainbows when she was top of her game, but when she got involved with Hutchence, it went down hill and snowballed. The media were very venomous towards her. I remember her being on Have I Got News For You and Ian Hislop in particular being very barbed. A slow and painful decline ensued.

I loved Paula Yates. I thought she was clever and funny. I can’t say the same for Caroline i’m afraid. I kind of disliked her inability to get past the age of 25. I didn’t like the kind of shows she fronted. I did have a slight change of heart when I saw her being interviewed by Kathy Burke. She was very candid and I though quite possibly misunderstood, however that would have been partly due to a public image she had a hand in creating. I certainly thought she could do miles better than Andrew Brady, who I saw on Big Brother riding Courtney Act’s coat tails. Just a serial user and operator. It was clear to see how much the stuffing was knocked out of her during that court appearance. She looked totally bereft. And yet people continued to put the boot in. It’s a very sad case. I think with her melancholic predisposition, fame on that level was quite possibly the worst thing to happen to her.

Paula Yates was brilliant, she exposed Gary Glitter on live tv asking if they were very young and his expression said everything.
I'm indifferent to CF. But it's strange how she's become the poster for be kind when bo seletca was what influencers would call brutal trolling and bullying

 

[Runningblonde]

A genuine question - do you believe someone’s life has to be at risk before they report violence to the police?
for example if someone punched me in the street I should not report it if they did not try to kill me explicitly?

ETA: I ask this because in DV cases it rarely begins with an outright murder attempt. It begins with a kick there or a slap there or a black eye explained away as “nothing” before ultimately things escalate. We have made strides in telling people to speak up and report what isn’t right in their relationships before it becomes a tragic statistic and comments like that set that work back years in my opinion.

I understand you are commenting on a specific set of people whose lives are public and the nuances of their specific situation, but saying things like “its not like she was holding a knife to his throat” is really quite a damaging opinion to hold (in my opinion).

Yes. He could have called 101 to report abuse if he wished to do so didnt have to be 999 not that it will make a difference I guess butthere could have been anonymity. Reading the other thread he sounds like a nasty piece of work and DV isn't as always straight forward as one victim and one perpetrator. It's only my opinion and having an opinion isn't damaging at all. Let's hope all these people saying otherwise are perfect. Angels in life and will never make a mistake in their life.

 

[Caitlin44]

Yes. He could have called 101 to report abuse if he wished to do so didnt have to be 999 not that it will make a difference I guess butthere could have been anonymity. Reading the other thread he sounds like a nasty piece of work and DV isn't as always straight forward as one victim and one perpetrator. It's only my opinion and having an opinion isn't damaging at all. Let's hope all these people saying otherwise are perfect. Angels in life and will never make a mistake in their life.

My ex was an absolute piece of work and tried to have me sectioned because I was accusing him of cheating and according to him (and his entire family btw) “I’m imagining things”

I found him and a woman in my house in my bed and she was wearing my hoodie.

I still didn’t assault anyone

Things are unfortunately black and white when it comes to the law.

 

[Keera]

Yes. He could have called 101 to report abuse if he wished to do so didnt have to be 999 not that it will make a difference I guess butthere could have been anonymity. Reading the other thread he sounds like a nasty piece of work and DV isn't as always straight forward as one victim and one perpetrator. It's only my opinion and having an opinion isn't damaging at all. Let's hope all these people saying otherwise are perfect. Angels in life and will never make a mistake in their life.

I don’t believe anyone is an “angel” and certain points of your original post don’t sit right with me either (the sharing of the photo for example), but bad people can also be victims of crime.

I guess we will need to agree to disagree and I’m pleased that you are safe and privileged enough to hold the view on DV that you do! Long may it continue for you xx

 

[forgotmyacc]

Yes. He could have called 101 to report abuse if he wished to do so didnt have to be 999 not that it will make a difference I guess butthere could have been anonymity. Reading the other thread he sounds like a nasty piece of work and DV isn't as always straight forward as one victim and one perpetrator. It's only my opinion and having an opinion isn't damaging at all. Let's hope all these people saying otherwise are perfect. Angels in life and will never make a mistake in their life.

What you are reading on the other thread is hearsay from a bunch of strangers on the Internet. What's being discussed here are facts from a police report.

 

[PurvyPanda]

100%. I don’t quite understand this “clear her name” crusade the family and friends are undertaking. It’s not like she was falsely accused of assaulting him. I understand in the eyes of the law, innocent until proven guilty but she admitted it.

I didn’t really feel the whole family were on board. It seemed to be mainly the mother, who asked permission of her surviving children if the minded her doing it. They seemed to be placating her rather than joining her on her campaign.
I think she is inviting a whole new world of pain pursuing this. We know the papers are run by sociopaths. I used to work for News UK. The yob she spoke to on the phone who hung up on her is atypical of the oiks you have working there. Those people were never likely to be a friend in Caroline’s time of need. They’re too cynical to let compassion stand in the way of capitalising off salacious gossip.

 

[The Devils Arse]

Yes. He could have called 101 to report abuse if he wished to do so didnt have to be 999 not that it will make a difference I guess butthere could have been anonymity. Reading the other thread he sounds like a nasty piece of work and DV isn't as always straight forward as one victim and one perpetrator. It's only my opinion and having an opinion isn't damaging at all. Let's hope all these people saying otherwise are perfect. Angels in life and will never make a mistake in their life.

Would you give this advice if you sister or friend had been assaulted by their partner? He was absolutely right to call 999, he was the victim of domestic abuse.

No one is perfect, but I can guarantee the majority of people don't go around and assault their partner.

 

[Runningblonde]

Would you give this advice if you sister or friend had been assaulted by their partner? He was absolutely right to call 999, he was the victim of domestic abuse.

No one is perfect, but I can guarantee the majority of people don't go around and assault their partner.

If Caroline Flack had been your daughter. Your absolute pride and joy. Your world. Or your best friend who you loved more than anything in the world and had cut her manipulative partner on the head and then ended her life over the guilt of the assault (I'm assuming) then would you still be saying oh well she did abuse him though. I dont think so but it's easy for us public to see it as black and white because we hold no emotional connection to her. All I am saying is this.

 

[Keera]

If Caroline Flack had been your daughter. Your absolute pride and joy. Your world. Or your best friend who you loved more than anything in the world and had cut her manipulative partner on the head and then ended her life over the guilt of the assault (I'm assuming) then would you still be saying oh well she did abuse him though. I dont think so but it's easy for us public to see it as black and white because we hold no emotional connection to her. All I am saying is this.

I don’t think anyone is saying “oh well…” it’s tragic she ended her life over it and I feel very sad now it’s emerged how troubled her life had been prior to and immediately after the incident.
but having been there myself in a toxic relationship, drinking too much, explosive arguments and with no doubt it would have turned violent had it not ended when it did, it doesn’t excuse any of the bad behaviour I displayed then. Even when acting out of emotional distress.

the law is black and white on the assault charge but I think its right in that no one’s feelings/the situation are necessarily black and white - from what we know it seemed like a bad relationship all round, and she appeared to be struggling with her mental health. Seeing it and truly living it from her POV I absolutely get it. But she still did wrong and it was not the media or CPS insistence on charging her that caused her death (which seems to be what her family/mother) are insinuating.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

Interesting. I too thought of another TV presenter that reminded me of Caroline’s fall from grace, and that was Paula Yates. A very colourful character, very attractive to the press, a lot of public interest in her personal life. All sunshine and rainbows when she was top of her game, but when she got involved with Hutchence, it went down hill and snowballed. The media were very venomous towards her. I remember her being on Have I Got News For You and Ian Hislop in particular being very barbed. A slow and painful decline ensued.

I loved Paula Yates. I thought she was clever and funny. I can’t say the same for Caroline i’m afraid. I kind of disliked her inability to get past the age of 25. I didn’t like the kind of shows she fronted. I did have a slight change of heart when I saw her being interviewed by Kathy Burke. She was very candid and I though quite possibly misunderstood, however that would have been partly due to a public image she had a hand in creating. I certainly thought she could do miles better than Andrew Brady, who I saw on Big Brother riding Courtney Act’s coat tails. Just a serial user and operator. It was clear to see how much the stuffing was knocked out of her during that court appearance. She looked totally bereft. And yet people continued to put the boot in. It’s a very sad case. I think with her melancholic predisposition, fame on that level was quite possibly the worst thing to happen to her.

A good comparison is Yates. I found her fascinating, but she was such a terrible Mother that I can't say much in her favour to be honest. I can't deny her intelligence, her wit and her sex appeal but she put her own hedonistic desires above her children, as did Peaches, history repeating itself, very sad. I guess we can take it as a positive that Caroline never had children, so at least that's another generation spared the clusterfuck of her lifestyle and genetics. Harsh maybe, but fair IMVHO.

 

[Runningblonde]

My ex was an absolute piece of work and tried to have me sectioned because I was accusing him of cheating and according to him (and his entire family btw) “I’m imagining things”

I found him and a woman in my house in my bed and she was wearing my hoodie.

I still didn’t assault anyone

Things are unfortunately black and white when it comes to the law.

I'm sorry this happened to you and genuinely you must be a really good person. This is not sarcastic at all and I really mean it. You're a better person than most people as I bet many people would at least verbally abuse at the very least and your family wouldn't blame you if you had.

 

[tiktokuser]

If Caroline Flack had been your daughter. Your absolute pride and joy. Your world. Or your best friend who you loved more than anything in the world and had cut her manipulative partner on the head and then ended her life over the guilt of the assault (I'm assuming) then would you still be saying oh well she did abuse him though. I dont think so but it's easy for us public to see it as black and white because we hold no emotional connection to her. All I am saying is this.

No one is minimising what happened to Caroline, nor how sad it is she was so unwell and felt there was no way forward but to end her life. It is of course devastating for her close friends and family, as it is for anyone that has had to experience a family member or close friends feel they have no choice but to end their life.

What others here are however also not minimising is the fact that she assaulted her ex-partner. You are choosing to add “manipulative” whilst minimising being assaulted whilst he was asleep as a “cut”. He too is a victim with respect to the fact he was assaulted in his sleep by Caroline, and he cannot be responsible or blamed for what Caroline then chose to do.

 

[2ofeach]

I've not seen the documentary so my only resource of info is here but perhaps that phonecall was for the benefit of both of them.
She woke him by means of a whack around the head & she's likely screaming like a banshee
She proceeded to self harm to which point you don't know when she'll stop.... if at all!

Unless she only self harmed AFTER he called the police then what I've just posted doesn't tally at all.

Either way, you've been dating a matter of months & are awoken by a physical assault who knows what else lies ahead.

 

[Lady_Alice_Gray]

Yes. He could have called 101 to report abuse if he wished to do so didnt have to be 999 not that it will make a difference I guess butthere could have been anonymity. Reading the other thread he sounds like a nasty piece of work and DV isn't as always straight forward as one victim and one perpetrator. It's only my opinion and having an opinion isn't damaging at all. Let's hope all these people saying otherwise are perfect. Angels in life and will never make a mistake in their life.

I wish I had had the courage to call 999 the first time my then husband assaulted me, maybe then I wouldn’t have endured 7 years of physical, mental, emotional and financial abuse and I wouldn’t be suffering now from PTSD. You should count yourself lucky not to have ever been in a situation where you fear for your life.

 

[ahtisyourself]

Unfortunately the mother is not a reliable narrator. She is insistent on infantilising Caroline throughout and has airbrushed Lou Teasdale and her dad out of the whole narrative, so what else has been glossed over or airbrushed? When she started minimising throwing the phone saying she just tapped it off him to wake him up that was enough for me. She wasn’t there, how could she possibly know this? Lewis had a wound on his head and l’d imagine it would take some force from a phone to make that kind of impact. The downplaying of Caroline’s violence that night was uncomfortable to watch.

 

[tiktokuser]

Unfortunately the mother is not a reliable narrator. She is insistent on infantilising Caroline throughout and has airbrushed Lou Teasdale and her dad out of the whole narrative, so what else has been glossed over or airbrushed? When she started minimising throwing the phone saying she just tapped it off him to wake him up that was enough for me. She wasn’t there, how could she possibly know this? Lewis had a wound on his head and l’d imagine it would take some force from a phone to make that kind of impact. The downplaying of Caroline’s violence that night was uncomfortable to watch.

Absolutely this. It was distasteful and uncomfortable viewing (due to the continuously unreliable account and bias displayed by Caroline’s mother). The damaging repercussions, particularly to the assault victim, Lewis, from the “documentary” are already playing out all over Social Media.

 

[BugglyWuggly]

Unfortunately the mother is not a reliable narrator. She is insistent on infantilising Caroline throughout and has airbrushed Lou Teasdale and her dad out of the whole narrative, so what else has been glossed over or airbrushed? When she started minimising throwing the phone saying she just tapped it off him to wake him up that was enough for me. She wasn’t there, how could she possibly know this? Lewis had a wound on his head and l’d imagine it would take some force from a phone to make that kind of impact. The downplaying of Caroline’s violence that night was uncomfortable to watch.

Yes. Zero accountability.