Caroline Flack #2

[truffletrot]

It must have been such a scary incident for Lewis.

Imagine, you’re fast asleep and someone hits you over the head! In your most vulnerable state. And then that persons mother implies in a documentary that you were malicious by saying “you’re ducked” and then calling the police.

I’ve been with my husband 10 years. He’s the most gentle man and is not aggressive. But if he woke me up in my sleep by doing what Charoline did, I’d be phoning the police and divorcing. It’s major.

 

[GrunkaLunka]

Caroline didn’t deny it though - her police statement on the night apparently shows she admitted she did it and there was no excuse for it. The prosecution also described Lewis’s injuries as significant when it was pretty much a nick on the head that didn’t need any treatment (his refusal notwithstanding). At the time, there was no evidence to suggest it was anything other than a drunken argument that had escalated out of hand. Given her mental health issues (which were apparent from the self-harm/suicide attempt that night) a caution would have been an appropriate response.

I think the ‘Not Guilty’ plea at the magistrate’s hearing was to do with the specifics and level of the charges rather than an attempt to deny any wrongdoing at all.

There's a big difference with regards to criminal charges, between not denying it and giving a clear and consistent admission of guilt. She was not willing to take responsibility for what she had done, and was blaming the victim saying he had made her do it because he was cheating. The police who took her statement were not satisfied that they had received a clear admission of guilt.
Caroline had attacked him whilst he was asleep, and therefore vulnerable. She had used a weapon, although there was confusion around what weapon she used as her victim had been asleep when the attack began.
There was an obvious head wound.
She had been assessed by the mental health services before being interviewed and was found to be fully capable of understanding her own actions. Being suicidal isn't a free ticket to break the law.
All of these things together mean that a caution was absolutely not appropriate, and explain why she was charged.

 

[Lurkernomore]

I just watched the documentary and it was devastating to see the impact on her friends and family. She seemed to really be getting better, you could see when her friend was telling the story the hope they all had she would get through it.

I don't think it showed Lewis in a bad light at all, her mum even mentioned how they sat in court together. He probably deeply regrets sending that photo, he wasn't to know a friend would do that.

The trial by media would have taken its toll on anyone, especially a woman with clear MH issues. And it shows we all took what they reported as the truth, up until now I always thought the lamp was the weapon and had no clue she self harmed and it was her blood in the photos.

 

[troutpout69]

Not that it has anything to do with it, but is the woman he’s with now the one he was texting out of interests? Lots of fb posts saying it is but don’t know if that’s true

 

[ahtisyourself]

Not that it has anything to do with it, but is the woman he’s with now the one he was texting out of interests? Lots of fb posts saying it is but don’t know if that’s true

I remember at the time there was rumours that it was a tennis coach or something but I’ve no idea if I just imagined that

 

[PurvyPanda]

Yikes Lewis has just posted thisView attachment 3781542

He kind of reneged on that first line by writing the rest.

 

[ahtisyourself]

So where is this truth he’s threatening to share?!

 

[banf83]

Not that it has anything to do with it, but is the woman he’s with now the one he was texting out of interests? Lots of fb posts saying it is but don’t know if that’s true

I read an article that said it was a 60 year old client and CF had got the wrong end of the stick.

Caroline Flack's boyfriend 'hit with phone after finding messages from woman'

The alleged bust-up between Caroline Flack and her boyfriend Lewis Burton reportedly happened due to a misunderstanding over some messages from one of his clients

www.dailystar.co.uk

 

[PurvyPanda]

I sometimes compare Flack to Tara Palmer Tomkinson. Both troubled women with addiction issues, both had lots of boyfriends but never settled down and married so were kind of seen as 'tragic' figures for that reason. Neither of them especially talented but both likeable with quirky personalities and a love of the limelight. Both obviously died young and never seemed to find true contentment. I do think a lot of press regarding people like these 2 and many others is downright misogyny, I mean how on earth can an unmarried woman with no children be happy? (Deep eye roll).

Christine is in complete denial and I can understand why, but it's not healthy to keep eulogising her daughter who clearly had severe issues throughout her life.

Interesting. I too thought of another TV presenter that reminded me of Caroline’s fall from grace, and that was Paula Yates. A very colourful character, very attractive to the press, a lot of public interest in her personal life. All sunshine and rainbows when she was top of her game, but when she got involved with Hutchence, it went down hill and snowballed. The media were very venomous towards her. I remember her being on Have I Got News For You and Ian Hislop in particular being very barbed. A slow and painful decline ensued.

I loved Paula Yates. I thought she was clever and funny. I can’t say the same for Caroline i’m afraid. I kind of disliked her inability to get past the age of 25. I didn’t like the kind of shows she fronted. I did have a slight change of heart when I saw her being interviewed by Kathy Burke. She was very candid and I though quite possibly misunderstood, however that would have been partly due to a public image she had a hand in creating. I certainly thought she could do miles better than Andrew Brady, who I saw on Big Brother riding Courtney Act’s coat tails. Just a serial user and operator. It was clear to see how much the stuffing was knocked out of her during that court appearance. She looked totally bereft. And yet people continued to put the boot in. It’s a very sad case. I think with her melancholic predisposition, fame on that level was quite possibly the worst thing to happen to her.

 

[troutpout69]

Interesting. I too thought of another TV presenter that reminded me of Caroline’s fall from grace, and that was Paula Yates. A very colourful character, very attractive to the press, a lot of public interest in her personal life. All sunshine and rainbows when she was top of her game, but when she got involved with Hutchence, it went down hill and snowballed. The media were very venomous towards her. I remember her being on Have I Got News For You and Ian Hislop in particular being very barbed. A slow and painful decline ensued.

I loved Paula Yates. I thought she was clever and funny. I can’t say the same for Caroline i’m afraid. I kind of disliked her inability to get past the age of 25. I didn’t like the kind of shows she fronted. I did have a slight change of heart when I saw her being interviewed by Kathy Burke. She was very candid and I though quite possibly misunderstood, however that would have been partly due to a public image she had a hand in creating. I certainly thought she could do miles better than Andrew Brady, who I saw on Big Brother riding Courtney Act’s coat tails. Just a serial user and operator. It was clear to see how much the stuffing was knocked out of her during that court appearance. She looked totally bereft. And yet people continued to put the boot in. It’s a very sad case. I think with her melancholic predisposition, fame on that level was quite possibly the worst thing to happen to her.

Totally agree she was never mentally equipped to be in this line of work. You need to have incredibly thick skin at the best of times in that industry!

 

[PrincessP]

Not that it has anything to do with it, but is the woman he’s with now the one he was texting out of interests? Lots of fb posts saying it is but don’t know if that’s true

I saw a couple of Tik Tok comments today saying it was Lottie. However, never heard this before so I dont know if its just people running away with the narrative.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

In the documentary it was confirmed he received no medical treatment though? It was in the police reports

It’s not a documentary. It’s Christine putting the blame on everyone except the person who chose to take her own life.

A Metropolitan Police spokesperson informed The Independent that Burton's injuries were not considered "serious", yet he received treatment from paramedics and was transported to hospital. It was subsequently reported that he had suffered a head wound.

Caroline Flack 'lamp attack myth' and where ex Lewis Burton is now

The events leading up to Caroline Flack's tragic death are explored in a brand new documentary

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[Blurp]

I’ve fallen down the rabbit hole because there was just something so off about her mum on the show. Happened upon the cps review for anyone who’s missed it and, wow, eye opening

Witness statement of Lisa Ramsarran in the matter of the inquest touching upon the death of Caroline Flack, deceased | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

Also found her mother’s comments to the Di who asked for the CPS to reconsider. Very strange for a grieving mother to refer to Caroline as “that girl killed herself because you put an appeal through”

Hang on, isn't this untrue?

Ms Flack told the interviewing officers that she had never been diagnosed with mental health problems.

 

[Caitlin44]

I’m not sure it matters if it’s true or untrue. It’s what she told the police during her interview. It’s not the police’s job to review someone’s medical records and it’s probably more to do with the risk assessment for her while being held at the police station

Judging on the applications her lawyer submitted to have her charge reduced they didn’t provide any evidence from a clinical psychologist to support any MH diagnosis. Sadly further evidence throughout her life she and her family failed to get any meaningful help

 

[LadyWeatherwax]

The CPS were quite clear that her drunken state, the fact she assaulted her sleeping partner and then self-harmed when he called the police were aggravating factors. I agree with them.

He was asleep. He had no opportunity to defend himself, get out of the way, or leave before he was hit in the head with an object, hard enough to create a visible wound. She hit him when he was by definition vulnerable. There can't be a single person on here who hasn't heard of someone being killed with one punch, let alone being hit with an object. He wasn't wrong, she very well could have killed him.

It genuinely makes me sad to read people saying "it was only a little cut, he didn't even go to hospital". It was a cut. She hit him hard enough to split the skin, and cause a wound. By her own admission, that is what she did. If you believe you can hit your sleeping partner in the head with a phone, hard enough to create an open wound, because you're "waving a phone around recklessly", I'm sorry.

The self-harming thing just makes it worse; it's such a classic manipulation tactic, and in DV cases is almost always designed to make the abused person too scared to call the police or seek help.

I think the decision to make this documentary was regrettable, to say the least. It's certainly not the image rehabilitation that was hoped for, I know that.

 

[banf83]

The CPS were quite clear that her drunken state, the fact she assaulted her sleeping partner and then self-harmed when he called the police were aggravating factors. I agree with them.

He was asleep. He had no opportunity to defend himself, get out of the way, or leave before he was hit in the head with an object, hard enough to create a visible wound. She hit him when he was by definition vulnerable. There can't be a single person on here who hasn't heard of someone being killed with one punch, let alone being hit with an object. He wasn't wrong, she very well could have killed him.

It genuinely makes me sad to read people saying "it was only a little cut, he didn't even go to hospital". It was a cut. She hit him hard enough to split the skin, and cause a wound. By her own admission, that is what she did. If you believe you can hit your sleeping partner in the head with a phone, hard enough to create an open wound, because you're "waving a phone around recklessly", I'm sorry.

The self-harming thing just makes it worse; it's such a classic manipulation tactic, and in DV cases is almost always designed to make the abused person too scared to call the police or seek help.

I think the decision to make this documentary was regrettable, to say the least. It's certainly not the image rehabilitation that was hoped for, I know that.

100%. I don’t quite understand this “clear her name” crusade the family and friends are undertaking. It’s not like she was falsely accused of assaulting him. I understand in the eyes of the law, innocent until proven guilty but she admitted it.

 

[Boogs]

I understand how painful the situation must be for them but they are just trying to rewrite history. She lived a chaotic, impulsive, life and death. Sad yes, but she was an adult who was accountable for her actions and choices who could not handle the consequences. I think trying to suggest blame on her friends or the victim of her assault and manipulation is vile. Is Lewis a wick? Maybe. Did Lewis cheat on her? Maybe. Did Lewis want the bloody photo out there? Maybe. None of this changes the fact that he was the victim of assault and she was the perpetrator.

 

[Girlyswot]

Ever since her death, or possibly even since her arrest, whenever I see her on screen I feel such sadness because she really did have that ‘star power’ as in she was so very fun to watch. I wish I could look as fun to be around as she did. But perhaps that persona is always an act that hides a deeper sadness. I cannot think of another female presenter that seems like one of the girls and also one of the boys as well. She clearly needed someone in her life, both pre and post assault that would have delivered some tough love - stop self medicating, get off social media, get some proper MH support. Having worked in crisis PR, her team got everything wrong but possibly because she was unwilling or unable to communicate. But this is what she paid them for. I honestly cannot believe how it went this wrong. Perhaps once she’d been left adrift by ITV (arguably for understandable reasons) they no longer felt she was able to be saved. But then this feels like a massive load to leave on friends who had their own lives and jobs and commitments.

 

[Runningblonde]

I don’t find Lewis particularly likable or anything but he doesn’t have to be. He is guilty of being assaulted in his sleep and phoning the police in a moment of panic and concern and then regretting it and not cooperating. Why shouldn’t be come out now and have his say when he’s the one being abused and targeted and everyone is acting like Caroline was the victim and he the perp

There's a thread on him and it's good. Have a read. It paints him in an awful light. Apparently someone knows of him and he was a scrounger. Caroline was letting him live in her house and gave him loads of money. Apparently he was manipulative and when he rang 999 the night he was hit by her,he had said to her that he was going to ruin her. There's more to it but have a read of the thread.

 

[Boogs]

There's a thread on him and it's good. Have a read. It paints him in an awful light. Apparently someone knows of him and he was a scrounger. Caroline was letting him live in her house and gave him loads of money. Apparently he was manipulative and when he rang 999 the night he was hit by her,he had said to her that he was going to ruin her. There's more to it but have a read of the thread.

Even if all of that is true it still doesn’t change the fact that she assaulted him. Victims don’t have to be likeable or nice people to be victims.