Agreed. And AFAIK she’s totally avoided the main issue that women in this country are facing atm
and will continue to do so in this book. ‘Greatest modern writer on women’ my arse.
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and will continue to do so in this book. ‘Greatest modern writer on women’ my arse.Agreed exactly. Nothing in that book sound, new at all (as I hVe said before) and as you said, avoiding the massive elephant on the room regarding womenAgreed. And AFAIK she’s totally avoided the main issue that women in this country are facing atm
My theory is that she's a TERF but is too afraid to say anything
Imagine she "came out" as that. She'd be cancelled yesterday. But anyway it's fine men being allowed in women's prisons etc doesn't affect her so...
I think so too because I don’t think she’s come out on the issue either way. She’s a coward.
Exactly, and this is the problem. 5his is why people like Hadley freeman etc have had to leVe the guardian
She never wrote for the guardian though - she’s always been at the times. Point still sort of stands though. She needs to stick up for women.
I went right off her after this.
More info here.
www.theguardian.com
Now, I am not someone who thinks someone should be “cancelled” over a ten year old tweet! But even ever since then she’s made it so clear that she “literally couldn’t give a tit” about anyone that outside of her narrow world-view.
More info here.
What the Girls spat on Twitter tells us about feminism | Bim Adewunmi
Bim Adewunmi: The omission of women of colour on popular television shows should concern all feminists, including Caitlin Moran
www.theguardian.com
Now, I am not someone who thinks someone should be “cancelled” over a ten year old tweet! But even ever since then she’s made it so clear that she “literally couldn’t give a tit” about anyone that outside of her narrow world-view.
Did she ever address any of that? Seems unlikely granted.
I don’t think she did! It’s clear from her writing ever since then that she never “got“ the concept of intersectionality.
Which (if I’m being very generous) is fine, but she can’t expected to be taken seriously when talking about talking about feminism when she’s that purposefully ignorant.
At the time she just made it worse, she said something like, “it would be like asking ABBA, ‘why are you all white?’“
Well when an appalling racist ableist misogynist like Baddiel (though he now tries to hide it) thinks you are that then it would suggest her brand of feminism appeals to a certain type.Agreed. And AFAIK she’s totally avoided the main issue that women in this country are facing atm
It’s worse than I remembered.
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To add context, Friends had been retrospectively criticised for being set in city as diverse as New York, and having such a white main cast.
Around the time of Girls, people thought, “ok well Friends was a product of its time, Girls is a modern show, here’s hoping it’s better in terms of representation“
It wasn’t. And tbh, I think that’s fine, it represents Lena Dunam’s narrow world view, it was about her and her group of friends.
But the fact that Caitlin didn’t even want to think about or explain the nuance… I just found it so exasperating.
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To add context, Friends had been retrospectively criticised for being set in city as diverse as New York, and having such a white main cast.
Around the time of Girls, people thought, “ok well Friends was a product of its time, Girls is a modern show, here’s hoping it’s better in terms of representation“
It wasn’t. And tbh, I think that’s fine, it represents Lena Dunam’s narrow world view, it was about her and her group of friends.
But the fact that Caitlin didn’t even want to think about or explain the nuance… I just found it so exasperating.
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There are SO many things she could have explored with that question.
“Lena, it makes sense that your peers are all like you, but would you like to discuss how the world of arts and media maybe makes it easier for people like you and your friends?”
I was going to add more, but Lena Dunham is the worst example because like Caitlin Moran she just never “gets” it.
“Lena, it makes sense that your peers are all like you, but would you like to discuss how the world of arts and media maybe makes it easier for people like you and your friends?”
I was going to add more, but Lena Dunham is the worst example because like Caitlin Moran she just never “gets” it.
Good grief she's actually getting more unbearable, I didn't think such a thing would be possible.
That comment about female coppers? Did. Not. Happen.
Love to know how she's reconciling her deprived childhood narrative/thirst for social justice (lol) with tee-hee kitchen table bants about downstairs loos.
Keep fighting the good fight, love, watching you suck up to male energy like a particularly thirsty leech has been ever so inspiring.
(Normally I'd hate myself for this because I respect female solidarity, but as she clearly doesn't and will happily throw any other woman under the bus I'm letting my snark flag unfurl)
That comment about female coppers? Did. Not. Happen.
Love to know how she's reconciling her deprived childhood narrative/thirst for social justice (lol) with tee-hee kitchen table bants about downstairs loos.
Keep fighting the good fight, love, watching you suck up to male energy like a particularly thirsty leech has been ever so inspiring.
(Normally I'd hate myself for this because I respect female solidarity, but as she clearly doesn't and will happily throw any other woman under the bus I'm letting my snark flag unfurl)
Mostly critical BTL comments on the book extract in The Times today. These are the second and third most 'recommended' comments:
The most 'recommended' comment was neither really positive nor negative, as far as I could make out.
The most 'recommended' comment was neither really positive nor negative, as far as I could make out.
Admittedly I have no idea but I don't think she's a TERF. She's too much of a handmaiden and champagne socialist woke-lefty (and I'm centre-left myself).
If the tide ever turns re. gender ideology she'll probably claim she was one all along. Riding the coattails of all the brave women (and men) who put their heads above the parapet and endured the consequences.
If the tide ever turns re. gender ideology she'll probably claim she was one all along. Riding the coattails of all the brave women (and men) who put their heads above the parapet and endured the consequences.
I know what you mean but I do wonder why she wouldn't be vocally more pro trans if that was the case. It's also possible she's neither and doesn't give a crap either way unless it can benefit her in some way
Ah fair enough, maybe she's waiting to see which way the wind blows and doesn't want her previous stance on record. I've just googled and I see she's been curiously quiet considering it's the type of topic she could get a lot of mileage out of and endless back-pats for being an 'ally'. Possibly self-serving like you say.
There was something a while back where she tweeted that feeling unsafe in public was typical for women and something about being 'womb-y'. Of course, along came some people to pull her up for daring to speak about her experience about being a woman and 'not all women have wombs'. She deleted the tweet and apologized and said she meant all women
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