Amanda Palmer

[Flibbertigibbet]

Now I see why she was so ambivalent about Russell Brand. She used to participate in abuse. From the article:

" Afterward, Pavlovich crouched down in the water and tried to clean herself off. Gaiman looked at her and smiled. “‘Amanda told me I couldn’t have you,’” Pavlovich recalls him saying. As soon as he’d heard this, he “knew he had to have” her. “‘God,’” he continued, “‘I wish it were the good old days where we could both fuck you.’”

She is finished. Fuck her and her greedy ways and bad music and terrible writing.

 

[PunkyMonkey]

I have no proof or source but I read somewhere that they may have already been blacklisted from actual nanny agencies because of their shitty behaviour. Amanda loves to exploit fans though, so maybe they never bothered with qualified (and expensive, less vulnerable, less attractive) nannies. There seems to be a LOT more to come out

That comment in the article about how great it was that fans and friends were indistinguishable from each other?
Hello giant red flag!
Parasocial relationships are not life goals for most people, she just wants to be worshipped and it's disturbing.

 

[WadieHaddadsChocolates]

I think like pretty much any bloke with a younger-slanting female fanbase, a lot of whom likely match his exact preference (gothy, quirky, artistic types) he's like, to quote Big Male Feminist and Inevitable Pervert Joss Whedon, 'a kid in a candy store'. Like the person above who thought he probably has at some point shagged fans, I can't imagine he hasn't at some point. It's just so drearily predictable at this point. And the 'We have an open marriage' thing with him and Palmer made me veer closer to believing that's likely the case. I doubt he's having affairs with his age-group peers, you know, when he likely has a line of Aspiring Young Cute Female Writers who swoon over him.




Yes, Pratchett wrote women beyond personal sex fantasies. Gaiman, well, a lot less. More like Whedon, tbqh, without going full Dollhouse, of course.

I mean, I called it a while back. Except I think we're into Dollhouse territory IRL with Neil, the sad old sleaze. Imagine being 60 and still needing to shore up your ego with pawing youngsters.

I don't think there's ANYTHING naive about Gaiman's interactions with female fans, I think it's very, very deliberate to pursue super-young, naive girls, just like any other OLD MAN who does it. Fans are the easiest mark, because they're already in love with an idea of him, and think he is this great person. He can skip a whole stage and get them in the sack without trying. Just don't disturb the image until you'vre already in their bed and you're golden. Fast-track to some easy sex at every venue, really.

Gaiman has always, just like Inevitable Sleaze Whedon, made sure he parroted feminist rhetoric, so he knows creeping after and sticking one's old dick into girls 40 years your junior who are IN YOUR EMPLOY is wrong, and why its wrong. Of course, the NDAs he had them sign contribute to the fact he knows what went on in his house wasn't kosher. He knows how the part of the world that isn't sympathetic to every creepy old married man obsessed with getting his paws on very young female fan-flesh generally views this kind of sleazy behaviour in a poor light, even WITHOUT that allegations of forcing sex on the unwilling.

Also any man who wants to be called 'Master' is inevitably a sad dick. Master of what, Neil? Of your PR, maybe? the decades of I AM SO SO SO SO NICE AND FEMINIST AND LOVELY AND NICE AND LOVELY AND DID I TELL YOU I WAS LOVELY stuff? Or master of not using a hairbrush since 1987?

But again, male artists and their insufferable egos. Nearly all of them treat women like disposable interchangeable shit as soon as they get a sniff of fame that brings easier and easier sex to their doors.

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

"Fellow survivors" - when she's the Ghislane Maxwell in this story.

 

[sweetnessfollows]

Amanda Palmer is being charged with procuring women for her ex husband to rape. This is beyond disgusting that she would target homeless and mentally unstable women and then drop them off to be abused.

Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer sued over sexual abuse allegations

Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer sued over sexual abuse allegations

www.avclub.com

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

Agree with all this except that there’s nothing wrong/shameful about being a terf!

Same here! It's unreasonable to think that becaise someone holds a particular view (to my mind, a perfectly rational one) that their support for a victim of sexual abuse is somehow compromised or unwelcome.

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

I went back to Amanda's facebook post about Sinéad O'Connor herself, to see the reaction, and she actually held out her cap for money in the comments. The state of her. After saying that she taped Sinéad's albums off a friend and all! I mean, we all did that as teenagers, but later on when we earned a bit of money we bought copies of the ones we still liked when we were switching to CDs and digital.

 

[kitsybalfour]

You just know she’s already planning her redemption arc. Silence for now, probably wondering if the CPS will investigate based on the nanny’s account that the son was in the room etc. Her grift is so hardcore I wouldn’t be surprised if she has made the decision to not speak out so as not to jeopardise her alimony.
Then as sure as night follows day with Palmer she will play the victim. She will make it all about her because she always does. Wouldn’t put it past her setting up a gofundme for her trauma therapy.
And the sad thing is there will still be enough gullible super fans to forgive her and make sure her grift continues. And Gaiman is so rich that even if he ended up with a serious civil suit to defend - or even criminal case - there’ll always be enough money left.
They are simply terrible people; predatory and empty.

 

[Hollaaa]

The middle aged woman, still wise beyond her remaining years, let out all her breath in one long exhale. If you listened closely enough, you could hear it, expelled almost like a newly-formed song into the air "ohhhh fuckkkkk offfffffff".

 

[Danica Catrick]

They did have an open marriage. She was shagging comedian Andrew O’Neill.

I get they had an open marriage, but shagging your kid's nanny . Even if it had been consensual this would have been wrong and gross.

He's made me have sympathy for AFP which is very annoying.

 

[WadieHaddadsChocolates]

The last paragraph of this post aged like exquisitely crafted wine.

Hahaha. Yes, I am quite proud of it.

Also see: the joy of being proved right, and the pain of being proved right. For once, I'd like to be wrong about dudes doing standard issue gross dude things as soon as life, fame and opportunity allows it. Haven't yet been, though.

 

[TheStrawberryThief]

I think something is going on on the background, maybe a NDA or some legal procedure that can not be spoken about, and it has been going on for a few years now.

She has never really directly spoken about anything that led to breakdown of marriage and the divorce process, apart from a vague song. So I think it is reasonable to assume she can not, until whatever that is has concluded.

There is always something suspicious with the artsy fartsy, free loving, poly, liberal, therapy speaking crew. They think that they are somehow superior to the conforming hetro married/couples, as they are emotionally enlightened and can shag around without it harming their relationships.

It always ends in tears, because that attitude just can not survive contact with the real world.

I do not think Palmer will have realised what she was doing was wrong, probably thought it was 'sharing the free love'.

The thing i have found the most shocking about all of this, is the massive gulf between the public face of them, and the private behaviour.

If it turns out that the whole thing has been blown up, and the girls did consent.... I still would not trust Gaiman again. His behavior is gross, his taste in sex acts is gross. I can not support anyone who gets off on debasing women like that.

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

It is true that for some people, a traumatic upbringing can cause them so much harm that they then go on to behave poorly as an adult.

And people do deserve a chance to learn and grow. However there are also some crimes that should never be forgotten or go unpunished.

I feel like she is trying to suggest that forgiveness worked for her, so it should work for everyone else. On Facebook her fans are lapping this up. They are like a cult that can't think any thoughts unless their leader approved them first. Some of the patreon comments are more critical and pointing out that this doesn't seem to mesh with some of the other views she supports.

Exactly. Rape is not just an offence against a person, mostly a woman or a child; it's an offence against the law because we as a society decided that it is really fucking wrong.

So many people defend Polanski for evading justice because his victim wanted to put the whole thing behind her. But raping a child is a crime in California, as it is in all the civilised world, and while we hope his victim is ok now, California has every right to pursue the prick for the rest of his rapey days.

These women saying that they got on ok with Russell are completely missing the point. And any decency or empathy. As I pointed out on another thread, I would be HORRIFIED if someone I had slept with had gone and raped someone else. You wouldn't hear me saying, "he was nothing but kind to me" because I would be too busy trying to unclench my horrified vagina.

 

[oatmealpieface]

Wow... So you're all transphobic, then. That's disturbing.

This is one of the most transphobic sites out there unfortunately, after the net of mums. There are a few of us who aren't though.

 

[Dustye]

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This is so pretty and awful of me, but something about her mouth really annoys me. I think it's because it turns down at the corners naturally but the way she poses makes it look like she's being super serious and arsey about something all the time. Is it just me?!
Also, boo hoo you have many homes around the world and have been fortunate enough to spend a year in one of the safest and most stable countries on earth, how awful that must be for you.

 

[Danica Catrick]

I suspect she's staying quiet because she knows anything she says will be used against her by Gaiman's undoubtedly expensive lawyers. To be honest I can't blame her for this if the custody battle is as bad as hinted in the article. Not that I can see Neil Gaiman wanting full custody...

One of the things which stood out to me about Palmer in the article was where she tells Scarlett she should just go home to her parents, despite having been told about their estrangement. Then later we hear Palmer has moved back in with her own parents. This says to me that whilst she's made a career out of relating to waifs and strays, she's never actually been one, nor does she have any understanding of what life is like without that parental safety net.

I also think she must have known what Gaiman's reaction would be to her telling him not to have sex with Scarlett. If she really cared, it would have been better to warn Scarlett and ensure they were never alone together.

 

[Sideboard Bob]

I was a Neil fan first and will always be, but he has disappointed me a lot.

Me too. When he flew across the world during lockdown it made me think of a Good Omens quote that, (if it wasn’t one of Sir Terry’s), he probably wrote! “How can somebody as clever as you be so stupid!”

 

[sirbenfro]

Holy shit, did she really write this? Amanda Palmer is being charged with human trafficking for not paying her nanny, creating essentially the very most hostile work environment by knowing her ex husband fucked other workers, and then kept her trapped on an island with no means.

And she's being litigated but takes time to mention other people's jobs and her job? Her job where she gets paid, unlike the nanny she had? Why would she have any thing public at the moment?

She's really in cult leader territory here. That she has supporters is so bizarre to me.

Her followers in the patreon comments (which I believe are being moderated to remove negative comments) are deeply sycophantic, its very culty. As of posting this, there are 192 comments all in the same vein

 

[FamilyDollarSushi]

When you think she can't get any worse

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From personal experience people like this make dealing with loved ones in Critical care or hospice 100% MORE STRESSFUL

If you are in this situation and have a worthless idiot like this taking pictures of themselves and or the person in hospital…save yourself the grief and kick them out even if that includes shoving their phone somewhere sideways.

 

[TheStrawberryThief]

I feel like this thread has Unleashed the Neil hate in me tonight.

Someone mentioned about his Doctor Who episode.

He likes to portray himself as a lefty feminist bloke who says things like " I like stories about women who save themselves" , yet he can not write a female character who feels like a genuine women.

A lot of his adult female characters come across as either manic pixie dream girls, potential girlfriend or mean bitches.