Afghanistan

[Rita Chevrolet]

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Most of the animals already have homes to go to; Just read the stories at the bottom of previous adopters, especially the couple who adopted their dog in memory of the son they lost out there.

 

[What?]

I think quite a lot of people are total hypocrites; they want cheap meat as long as they don't see how it was raised but want cute animals protected.

I agree but then you get hypocrites everywhere.
I do however think most people who are really into animal rights are either Vegan, vegetarian or much more aware of where their meat comes from.

i don’t think it’s about ‘rights’ to anything, it just so happens that currently the most evolved species on the planet is the human, and we probably outnumber all other species. personally, even though I think animals have lots of rights, do I put them above human rights? No. Equal maybe, but the cruelest form of animal mistreatment is humans to each other.
Personally I think we have to consider children in the same bracket as animals. They don’t ask to be born, and we should help them as much as animals- can anyone really say they would expect a four year old to find their own money for food? Because when we say pets are totally reliant on humans, so are young children, but yet they seem to be two different categories.
And let’s be honest, when it comes to things li

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Most of the animals already have homes to go to; Just read the stories at the bottom of previous adopters, especially the couple who adopted their dog in memory of the son they lost out there.

That's good to know.
So nice to read of the soldiers British & American volunteering to help load the animals onto the plane.

 

[NeverEnough]

This is an interesting info graphic about what’s been left.
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Boggles the mind. Wasn’t there a similar issue in Iraq where the Iraqi army basically just ran away from ISIS and left their equipment, which ISIS simply took over and occupied half of Iraq and Syria? Which lead to numerous atrocities.

Not quite sure what Biden’s thought process is, outside of “I’m president and I want dumplings” at least. Perhaps he feels that the Taliban will be reasonable. 10 out of 10 for optimism I suppose but I think history has shown that fanatical religious groups who believe they are on a divinely ordained mission tend not to share the same spirit of compromise.

But he’s the guy in charge and the guy Americans voted for. Maybe his supporters can pull down another couple of 200 year old statues of Civil War generals. “Nothing happening in Herat, look at the racism in Kentucky”.

Yay.

 

[Yel]

Probably true. But at the same time, that responsibility should go on the food industry. Farmers need fair wages otherwise they will charge more for higher welfare because well, it costs more to do

I'm not so sure, there's lots of choice for higher welfare meat out there. But most people would refuse to pay 50p more, even though they could, despite so many claiming to be animal lovers. If there was more demand the suppliers would cater to it.

I've known people who worked inside factories or farms who said how horrific it was and they'd never eat it again but a few weeks later they forgot about it and started having the battery farm stuff again. I'm not a Brit, but i struggle to buy the nation of animal lovers narrative. Lots of people love their cute cats or dogs more than people and project it.

I see pen is doing the media circuit today. Hopefully he disappears off until his next book is coming out. Although I would like to see Biden or a us offical respond to him. I've no idea of the intricacies involved that made the rules change so it's hard to form an opinion.

 

[NeverEnough]

I think quite a lot of people are total hypocrites; they want cheap meat as long as they don't see how it was raised but want cute animals protected.

And the key word there is cute. I know a vegan, nice enough girl but I’m convinced her principles are based on Social Media likes rather than actual belief. She used to eat a lot of bread, and I pointed out that the wheat used to produce that would most likely have been treated to pesticide which has the sole purpose of culling insects, which are every bit living animals as Pandas. So it was hardly “cruelty free”. She muttered something about intention which I didn’t quite understand as the intention of using pesticide is pretty clear, to kill pests in large numbers. But I left it there because you can’t reason with fanatics. Moving goalposts.

 

[Rita Chevrolet]

Tbh, I think the whole thing just needs to stop now, the ark will be home soon and the mudslinging should just vanish. Neither side did it well and it just divided people. I know I eyerolled and muttered a few times at comments here and I wasn’t emotionally or physically invested as a lot were on Instagram (even though I love a good debate)

Now we need to focus on the people here with nothing (Pens already heading off to Oslo it seems, and the soldiers/diplomats will be heading back to families, so they are all sorted), The people that are still there, the dual threat we now face from both groups, and actually the realisation that America isn’t the ally we thought, right at the time that Europe is saying ‘you brexited, you crack on’ and we have our Pritti already saying other countries need to help out

Pen has gone to see his wife who went directly back to her parents home when she was repatriated to Norway - why should he not go to see his wife?? He has enough people this side sorting out the animal's welfare etc and after what he's been through I expect seeing his wife again will be a great joy & comfort to him before he returns to carry on with his Mission

 

[Underthetabletop]

I’m not saying he shouldn’t, I meant it in a way of he’s back, job done, crack on, and if he’s moved on to catching up with family maybe we need to move on to other things, as he and the gov seem to have done. Much the same as the soldiers that I referenced are home for much needed r&r after getting nearly 15,000 home.

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...-grows-veterans-accuse-staging-pantomime.html

Or maybe not…. But seriously, this does need to end. If there is going to be any enquiry then discuss it there but currently it’s just taking the light off what else we need to to do for British people stuck there and how unpredictable Joe Biden seems to be.
I’ll not go into my views on Dominic Dyer now saying they offered to help people, AFTER the event, rather than tweeting to put pressure on at the time….
But honestly, this is just turning into a farce and needs to be parked

 

[Yel]

Hopefully this is the end of the Pen Farthing stuff. I don't think him or the ministers / gov departments on twitter came out of it looking good.

Lots of people care more about animals than people from a country far away, that's just how it is.



I thought this article was quite good

The Afghanistan crisis is a failure of political leadership - Brian Monteith

It is often the case when the ribbon is cut at a bridge or hospital opening that such is the length of time from planning to delivery the politician officiating has had nothing to do with the decisions making the project a reality.

www.scotsman.com

Or maybe not

I saw the new mail online lead story just after posting this should end

 

[Underthetabletop]

Hopefully this is the end of the Pen Farthing stuff. I don't think him or the ministers / gov departments on twitter came out of it looking good.

Lots of people care more about animals than people from a country far away, that's just how it is.



I thought this article was quite good

The Afghanistan crisis is a failure of political leadership - Brian Monteith

It is often the case when the ribbon is cut at a bridge or hospital opening that such is the length of time from planning to delivery the politician officiating has had nothing to do with the decisions making the project a reality.

www.scotsman.com

I saw the new mail online lead story just after posting this should end

Yeah, and I think it sort of backs up what I was saying. I mean it drew me back in to the ‘wtfness’ and no doubt loads of others….. And is just proof that things are going round and round, things being added, changed to the story on both sides
So does sort of back up my first point, every time anyone says to leave it either way, news, tv, chat boards etc, someone turfs something else out and we go again. And it just makes it seem like the bloody Rooney/vardy thing, because it does seem farcical reading the article in isolation, when actually it’s a serious thing.

And I ought add I am a bit of a hypocrite, not practicing what I preach, getting drawn back into things

 

[Silly Sausage]

Wow they released all the dogs at the airport when they left. Charlotte stayed in Kabul. What an awful situation to put those dogs in for a week and then just let them loose.

 

[jaymie]

I watched the whole clip, I am very invested in this and felt extremely terrible. The department of defence (US) made a blanket statement to want all the dogs released. Human, we are the worst.

 

[Silly Sausage]

I watched the whole clip, I am very invested in this and felt extremely terrible. The department of defence (US) made a blanket statement to want all the dogs released. Human, we are the worst.

Wow now they've taken down the update statement

What clip did you watch? Tommy's?

 

[jaymie]

Wow now they've taken down the update statement

What clip did you watch? Tommy's?

tommy I think but here is the official release. I hope Charlotte is safe and well, what a woman!

 

[bringingdownthebs]

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tommy I think but here is the official release. I hope Charlotte is safe and well, what a woman!

I feel so sad for these poor animals. What a woman Charlotte is though! God I hope she’s safe!

 

[Merpedy]

RE - Charlotte

This is going to potentially be controversial but something doesn't sit very right with me regarding all this. Deleting the statement seems odd and I'd say it's clear that her staff has more or less abandoned her after they couldn't get in (unless the cats actually aren't with Nowzad?), there were a few comments from staff (not confirmed but they claimed to be and had their location listed as Kabul, so possible) in a now deleted post essentially saying that they're waiting to be killed by the Taliban, understandable but still very concerning.

The lack of clarification from them during the whole thing whether Veteran Sheepdogs of America did have some of their working dogs also put a bad taste in my mouth, it's something that should have been simply stated so people knew whether to trust the charity. They also seem keen on not bringing media attention on to this, yet we know that Pen's situation was probably only helped by that attention even if a lot of it was very hateful and potentially not true

Finally, they had been saying that dogs would be put to sleep as a last resort. Clearly, that's the decision that should have been taken and wasn't

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Anyway, apparently the US strike in Kabul was reactionary to seeing someone loading 'explosives' into the back of their truck, and it has turned out that the people affected have worked with Western organisations or the US in some manner

There are no terrorists here, says neighbour after US drone strike in…

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Family says 7 children were killed in Kabul drone strike; U.S. is investigating

An Afghan family says 10 people were killed in a drone strike in Kabul. It's not yet clear if it was related to an acknowledged U.S. strike Sunday.

www.latimes.com

 

[freda19]

Thankfully more & more humans are realising they have no more rights to this planet than any other creature.

Listen buddy, if the mutts and cats were the ones who had evolved over humans the little people wouldn't think twice about putting all of us humans through a giant mincer. Saints and sinners, men women and juicy little babies would all go the same way.

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tommy I think but here is the official release. I hope Charlotte is safe and well, what a woman!

Sorry to be harsh etc etc, but if this is true then Charlotte is nuts and will regret giving up a precious seat to freedom for a dog.

The released dogs will fend for themselves. Charlotte won't be any use to any creature when the taliban link her to the Farthing farce.
The released dogs' lives will be easier than silly Charlotte's and that's the plain truth.

 

[thegirlscout]

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tommy I think but here is the official release. I hope Charlotte is safe and well, what a woman!

That sounds horrendous, so they have left the dogs to roam around? Couldn’t they allow her to take them back to the rescue centre? I hope she’s safe. Maybe the money they raised can be of use?

 

[jaymie]

That sounds horrendous, so they have left the dogs to roam around? Couldn’t they allow her to take them back to the rescue centre? I hope she’s safe. Maybe the money they raised can be of use?

Good question. Idk really, i think there might be more clarity on the coming days. Maybe it is not even safe in the rescue centre anymore. I think a lot of speculations going around at the moment

 

[Yel]

I wonder if there's been any infographics to show the number of us troops stationed overseas right now? It's said to be around 150-200k.

 

[thegirlscout]

Listen buddy, if the mutts and cats were the ones who had evolved over humans the little people wouldn't think twice about putting all of us humans through a giant mincer. Saints and sinners, men women and juicy little babies would all go the same way.



Sorry to be harsh etc etc, but if this is true then Charlotte is nuts and will regret giving up a precious seat to freedom for a dog.

The released dogs will fend for themselves. Charlotte won't be any use to any creature when the taliban link her to the Farthing farce.
The released dogs' lives will be easier than silly Charlotte's and that's the plain truth.

You don’t always need to be so cruel.
The released dogs are running around an airport with no direct access to food and water. Also they are tame dogs, not wild dogs, so they don’t necessarily have the aggressive nature needed if they get into a fight. The Taliban have used dogs and such for target practice before and in Islam dogs are seen as unworthy so with their beliefs they are hardly going to look out for them.