Afghanistan

[lilacbutterfly]

Personally I thik only women, children, the elderly and the disabled should be allowed out, the fit young men can stay there. It's always the men that cause the problems. I'd also like to see any woman in the west that chooses to wear the hijab currently to stop wearing it in solidarity to women that don't have that choice.

This is the most stupid comment I’ve seen on tattle. To stop wearing hijab? I assume you know nothing about Islam. Of course some women are forced to wear hijab, there’s no denying it, but a woman in the west removing her hijab doesn’t prove any point.
Taliban is not Islam, it’s a terrorist organisation.
Hijab when it’s a personal choice is a beautiful thing, and Islam gives women the advice to cover, but forbids someone to force anyone to do anything. Xx

 

[Columbo]

Some horrendous videos circulating of people falling off the USAF plane whilst it's in the air
What a world we live in

How desperate they must have felt to risk certain death the fear and suffering endured by ordinary Afghan people is absolutely horrendous. My heart is broken thinking of the children caught up in this mess It’s merely a privilege of birth that we live in a place that allows us to live freely (covid restrictions aside). How different life is for some people

 

[Mrs loizou]

Wow, there are so many views that need debunking on here.

The Taliban operates under the guise of Islam. It does not stand for the same values and beliefs as Muslims. Its a bit like saying all Catholics represented the views of the IRA. I can already hear 'yeah but sharia law says..'. Well, the bible says 'an eye for an eye' but we arent condemning Christians as violent are we??

The hijab is not something that the Taliban are mandating. It's the burqa, amongst other things that directly and disproportionately affect women that they attempt to enforce.
The hijab, for most Muslim women, represents a freedom of choice that they make. When people start talking about banning it, this is so bloody thick because it is actually enforcing women to dress in a particular way which is the very thing that they believe the hijab does!

Women are in hiding in Afghanistan, they are already too scared to leave the house, the homes where there are women/girls of marrying age have already been branded - they arent going to be on the runway at the ariport, they are waiting until they know its safe to leave and they have somewhere safe they can go to. That means their dad/brother/cousin sorts that out and then they will probably feel they can leave safely.

Those on the runway are likely to have worked for the government, been in positions of power, worked for the military etc. And they are more likely to be men in ANY country, not least a country where there has historically been a culture of women not being in work

The Taliban never went away whilst the US troops were there. They didn't collapse. They simply became stronger, as is now evidenced, because they continued to terrify normal Afghans into joining them.

Ask yourself this: If your brother/dad/husband was being trained by the British Army to fight the Taliban, and one night, you had a knock at the door and it was the Taliban with a message for you and your family. That message being: you are going to fight for us once the army leaves and if you dont then your wife and daughters are going to be raped, and then forced to marry one of our soldiers. We are watching you
What would you do? What would you expect your husband to do?

Also ask yourself: If you saw the Taliban jump the gates into Downing Street and Johnson left on a jet plane, would you feel your country was a safe place to be? Would you do everything you could to leave?

This is a humanitarian crisis and anyone who fails to see this because they are concerned about a minute number of people (mostly those who have worked for the UK) being given refuge in one of the richest, most stable countries in the world, should really head over to the comments section on the daily mail instead.

 

[Pinkii]

I fail to see how anything can be considered a beautiful thing when it is used as a form of oppression towards women in other countries, sorry but there is nothing 'beautiful' about that. As for the argument that it won't do anything, no it won't but that isn't the point.

Well shows how close minded you are, just because you see it as oppression doesn’t mean it is,majority of the women in western countries choose to wear it as they want to. I’m a muslim who chooses not wear a headscarf, i have many friends who do, we are all free to make our own choices here. You choose not to see it as a beautiful thing, but those muslim women do see it as a beautiful thing.

I just can’t understand why so many people get triggered by the hijab, just because its something they can’t comprehend it automatically means its wrong or People have no choice in the matter.

On the topic of afghanistan, breaks my heart to see whats happening there, i’m so sick of men and their ego’s and the need for power, thats what it essentially comes down to.

 

[ChloeW94]

Where I live in a small town in Scotland we are welcoming 10 families from Afghanistan and I really hope they feel welcomed and settle here

 

[Lanie]

Funny you say that. I've been living in Belfast for the last couple of years as I ended up staying during Covid. I had lots of conversations about the Troubles and the consensus of many academics I spoke to who had studied the conflict say that the religious and tribal stuff was just a convenient cover for criminality and drug-running of rival factions.

The press tell you it's about religion and yet Protestants and Catholics have lived together in many countries perfectly fine. That means religion is not the variable.

You dont seem to understand of what you are talking. I have actually lived it. Ive seen what happens when your from the wrong side in the wrong place.

I agree in later years its became a drug thing, but up until the 1990s it was very much religion.

Also please dont tell someone who was actually born and lived in a country divided by religion they dont know what they are talking about. Its insulting. You may have lived there in peacetime, i have lived here all my life.

 

[Notgonnalie]

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...Afghan-refugees-ran-evacuation-jet-Kabul.html

A plane full of mainly cowardly young males that don't have the stomach to try and protect their homeland. Leaving behind women who are at far higher risk, children and the elderly.

I don’t think it’s fair to call anyone on that plane a coward. They’re all petrified as I’m sure anyone would be if they spent 5 minutes in their position. Their people clung on to a plane that was taking off knowing there was no chance of survival but they’d rather be dead than live through that. There’s are women and children on that plane too. They’re all fleeing from the worst atrocities beyond imaginable.

 

[Lanie]

I come from northern ireland where guess what religion is a big factor in our issues.

I grew up in a very political household and grew up around people with some very ( now considered old fashioned religious views of the other side)

I have always remained neutral as i dont consider myself religious but i have always talked at length to my friends from both sides of the park and guess what there views on northern Ireland conflict always comeback to religion. Therefore its not always ego.

When you are told from a young age not to tell people what religion you are incase they are from the other side and perhaps unsavoury you soon learn that religion is an issue.

 

[Moderator]

Anyway, let's move on from this argument..

 

[mcfeez]

Allegedly met with little to no resistance entering the city. Absolutely dreadful. Particularly fearful for women, young and older.

 

[Fauxphiehinchcliffe]

I haven’t been able to stop thinking about this today. Pregnancy hormones are making it harder too, but I genuinely feel very tearful about it and just thinking of the women and children whose lives are now turned upside down. You g women who finally dared to dream of a future and education of their own now trapped at home until they’re married off. Can only imagine what is happening on the ground over there.

 

[BettySpaghetty]

I've felt really uneasy all evening and I'm just absolutely petrified about the truly messed up world I've brought my babies into

 

[IngressUK]

I don't see another war coming. The world's is always absolutely filled with conflict. Comparatively we live in times that are very peaceful.

I remember being told that the vast majority of major conflicts and wars are caused by disputes over religion.

Far from being the 'source of peace' it claims to be, it has caused untold damage across the world.

In fact, I would say religion is one of the worst things we have in this world, or was ever introduced. The world would be a far more pleasant and peaceful place without it.

 

[Notworthy]

Personally I thik only women, children, the elderly and the disabled should be allowed out, the fit young men can stay there. It's always the men that cause the problems. I'd also like to see any woman in the west that chooses to wear the hijab currently to stop wearing it in solidarity to women that don't have that choice.

 

[Yel]

Allegedly this is happening now, posters of women being covered up and beauty parlours being painted over to hide the photos of women

Back in 2017

 

[Lanie]

And so did I in London where we couldn't have bins in public places for years because of the IRA. What's your point?

I have made no point petal. I just answered your question. I have no point to make to the likes of you.

You seem to think your opinion is the only one that matters. So i will leave you to your ignorance. I was merely just stating that religion is a big factor in our issues and i know this for a fact.

 

[kev1974]

 

[Mrs loizou]

Maybe it doesn't take twenty years to learn to use a gun to shoot dead evil people? What do you suggest? Stay there another twenty years? Us as in the west are hated by the rest of the world as we always get involved in the business of other countries and try to be in charge of the earth. Enough of our troops have died there. If they had lost after putting up a fight they would have got credit. Instead they quit and ran as soon as the going got tough. What about people starting families? Who in their right mind would want to bring a kid in to that kind of environment? Selfish.

So much to unpack here on my lovely Saturday night, was just about to put up my refugees welcome poster but will pause shortly to try and have some sort of intelligent debate.

You originally said the training was the best in the world, so why was this needed? Perhaps, just maybe, defeating a terrorist army is more complex than just 'shooting them dead'

'Stay another 20 years?' - I think you should finish a job you start

'if they lost after putting up a fight, they would have got credit' - what does this credit entitle them to exactly? Settled status? An application to leave the country where it is unsafe for them to remain? How is this measured exactly? Someone who fights gets a credit but those who don't - maybe they have a different job and cant fight.

'They quit as soon as the going got tough' - if the taliban had taken over downing st, and marked my door with an X because I had daughters who could be married to fighters then yes, I would be out of there

'who in their right mind would want to bring a child into that environment?' - well, the promise of the US and the UK government over the last 20 years that the country will be a safe place would probably make you think it was going to be ok

Anyway, as my dear old immigrant grandfather used to say, and my immigrant father in law still does say - 'you cant argue with stupid'

So im off to a Spanish restaurant with my Greek friend, probably get an Uber there and my driver will be Bengali, probably drink some imported Argentinian wine. Might go to an Italian coffee shop after, and if I get really drunk and fall over, I'll probably head to A and E where I might be triaged by a Filipino nurse and then seen by an Indian Dr.

And I will be grateful that all these people are working tonight and helping make my life better. And that they have chosen to live in my wonderful diverse city.

Hope you have a similarly good evening

 

[the_moonins]

Is anyone else sick to death of seeing the politicians… usually men in suits…saying things like “we should wait and see and judge the Taliban by their actions”?!! What is wrong with these people?!! Are they completely unaware of what’s gone on in the past 20-30 years?? Can they not see the desperation of the Afghan’s at the airport? Do they have no empathy at all?? Mother’s are throwing their babies over razor wire to the soldiers, and people are clinging to planes that taking off. Honestly it’s making me feel sick at the moment - I wake up feeling sick in the morning thinking about the people. I was awake most of last night.

And as for USA saying they “don’t have the capacity” to evacuate large numbers of people!!! WHAT?! Honestly, Biden has seriously gone down in my estimation. How can anyone turn their backs on these people and live with themselves? I feel so sorry also for the young soldiers out there that are faced with it all and having to make the decisions - some are young men in their early 20s

 

[Ensay]

Very worrying. I really feel for the people there.