Afghanistan

[WhatwouldPrinnyDo]

Reports online state that there are around 30,000 or more stray dogs roaming around Khabal city areas, so I really think the rescue efforts of these organisations are really just a drop in the ocean.

For the dog’s released at the airport, the Taliban aren’t instantly going to find these specific dogs and hunt them down, more than likely they are not interested at all in them and have more pressing matters to deal with. If Charlotte wants to risk staying then that’s her choice, risky and naive move IMO but on her head be it.

The fact that there are so many stray dogs there suggests these released dogs will be able to survive too, probably scavenging for food etc. Not ideal, but I think it’s time to move on from these stories and get the attention back onto the more important work of rescuing the eligible Afghan families, British Nationals and Interpreters etc.

The airport has been formally evacuated by the US which means there are no traffic controllers, no specialists on the ground, it’s effectively ‘uncontrolled’ and the US have advised extreme caution for any planes that choose to land there from now on. That must put the fear of God into those who are left behind .

 

[thegirlscout]

The airport has been formally evacuated by the US which means there are no traffic controllers, no specialists on the ground, it’s effectively ‘uncontrolled’ and the US have advised extreme caution for any planes that choose to land there from now on.

I read that it will open up for commercial planes soon which I’m questioning how that will work. I’ve seen videos online that there is a lot of gunfire happening at the airport, it seems celebratory, hope no one is getting hurt.

get the attention back onto the more important work of rescuing the eligible Afghan families, British Nationals and Interpreters etc.

Even more vital since the military left behind biometric data of the Afghans who helped them.
Al-Queada have returned too, a high up member has been seen in Afghanistan for the first time in 20 years.

 

[Merpedy]

I read that it will open up for commercial planes soon which I’m questioning how that will work. I’ve seen videos online that there is a lot of gunfire happening at the airport, it seems celebratory, hope no one is getting hurt.

US and other countries say they will hold Taliban to promises to let people leave Afghanistan after August 31

The US, along with about 100 other countries, said they will hold the Taliban to their promises that they will allow people to leave the country after August 31, according to a joint statement released Sunday.

edition.cnn.com

I'm unsure if people have seen this

Anyway, I wonder how it will all work with no air traffic controllers or anything? Plus the terror threats from the likes of Isis-K

 

[freda19]

You don’t always need to be so cruel.
The released dogs are running around an airport with no direct access to food and water. Also they are tame dogs, not wild dogs, so they don’t necessarily have the aggressive nature needed if they get into a fight. The Taliban have used dogs and such for target practice before and in Islam dogs are seen as unworthy so with their beliefs they are hardly going to look out for them.

They'll cope and adapt or die. It's not cruel to say that it's as simple as that. It's a fact. There is no non-cruel way to say it.
Let's be totally honest, that's exactly what the humans there will have to do now too but with more harsh restrictions than roaming dogs will have..
The dogs can scavenge and run away from danger. The people, especially the women, can't. They will endure grape and torture and abuse while still being expected to have babies, feed families and cope with having their underage daughters married off to 'fighters' ... without the option of running away that the dogs have.

That Charlotte woman is nuts. There were/are thousands of women literally dying for a seat on a plane out of there and she casually tosses the lifeline aside for a dog that will likely die soon when she can no longer feed it or protect it. *shakes head*. Nuts.

 

[Merpedy]

The whole situation is very odd tbh, the people who had the 50 working dogs are still claiming that they’re sorting flights out when the US has already left



It’s a possibility that Charlotte has actually left Kabul on one of the last flights

 

[WhatwouldPrinnyDo]

Maybe @vetsheepdogs can’t release their flight details for security reasons? No idea what’s going on with them, seems unlikely and highly risky that any airline would go anywhere near the airport right now with no one controlling the airspace? Currently there are no flights at all anywhere in the Afghanistan airspace.

 

[Underthetabletop]

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...ines-surrounded-gun-toting-Taliban-thugs.html

oh no…..

 

[Silly Sausage]

Maybe @vetsheepdogs can’t release their flight details for security reasons? No idea what’s going on with them, seems unlikely and highly risky that any airline would go anywhere near the airport right now with no one controlling the airspace? Currently there are no flights at all anywhere in the Afghanistan airspace.

There are still flights in Afghanistan actually. Kam Air has been flying a couple planes in and out the whole time and has continued. They are landing in Mazar-i-Sharif in the north, and had moved all of their planes into Iran in order to preserve them. Mostly back and forth to Iran and Gulf states. They flew out to and back in from Georgia today. I just haven't seen them land in Kabul again since the US took off.

 

[Merpedy]

Repairs needed at Kabul airport before civilian flights can begin, Turkey says

Repairs need to be made at Kabul airport before it can be opened to civilian flights, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Sunday, as Ankara considers providing help to the Taliban to operate the airport.

www.reuters.com

Some journalist also still appear to be in Kabul and it’s absolutely wild that we’re getting updates and live feeds from Afghanistan

 

[Silly Sausage]

Spoiler: Also here is a clearer update from SPCAI that has spoken with Charlotte

This update includes Charlotte’s latest updates from Kabul. It also includes timely information from the organizations (SPCA International, War Paws, Marley’s Mutts, Animal Wellness Action and Puppy Rescue Mission) who have been working non-stop to evacuate her and the military working dogs, and pets under the care of Kabul Small Animal Rescue. We are in regular communication with Charlotte, and our latest debriefing occurred on August 30, 2021, at 3 pm EST.

Despite being at the airport when the ISIS-K bombing took place on August 26 and facing the vast array of threats there, Charlotte is now off airport grounds in Kabul and, for the moment, is safe. On August 30, she was forced to leave the airport with one puppy under her arm as final military evacuations occurred. She was escorted by the Taliban back to her rescue shelter, 7 miles outside of Kabul, where she remains safe for the moment.

As the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan was happening, Charlotte never relented in her efforts to help the animals of Kabul and even took on new animal-care responsibilities. She was able to rescue 46 working dogs and several personal pets belonging to fleeing Americans. Her dedication to saving lives in a war zone during a military evacuation is a remarkable testament to her courage and commitment.

The majority of KSAR staff, and the cats in their care, were never granted access to the airport. They are safe for the moment at another location in Kabul.

The current information regarding the status of KSAR’s 130 dogs is much less clear, despite our constant efforts to confirm their whereabouts.

Here is what we know: In the end, the dogs and their caretakers were explicitly NOT allowed to board military aircraft, and numerous private charter aircraft were not granted access to the airport either. Charlotte was informed that most of the KSAR dogs had to be released into the airport on August 30 as the airport was evacuated – turning once rescued shelter dogs into homeless strays. They were not given access to the flight we had secured to transport them out of the country. They are within the airport in an area used for housing employees at the far end of the flight line. We haven’t been able to confirm the number of dogs released, nor can we confirm whether the U.S. Military evacuated the 46 working dogs that had been under KSAR’s care when they left. We are urgently pressing for more details, and while this is more difficult now that the U.S. military has completely evacuated Kabul, we refuse to give up.

Moving forward, KSAR’s primary objective is to return to the airport– when it is safe and with the hope of Taliban cooperation–to try and retrieve or re-rescue the animals who were released at the airport. The situation at the airport remains very unsafe, but KSAR is hopeful their staff will be allowed to return to the airport at some point to try to save their dogs. During her departure from the airport on August 30, Charlotte requested the U.S. Military open the bags of dog food she was able to bring into the airport and scatter their contents in the area where the dogs had been released.

Urgent Update and Action Plan from Charlotte & Kabul Small Animal Rescue (KSAR) - SPCA International

We’re writing with an urgent update on the status of Charlotte Maxwell-Jones, founder of Kabul Small Animal Rescue; the animals under the care of Kabul Small Animal Rescue, including 130 dogs; and the ongoing efforts to evacuate them along with the shelter’s staff. This update includes...

www.spcai.org

 

[bringingdownthebs]

Spoiler: Also here is a clearer update from SPCAI that has spoken with Charlotte

This update includes Charlotte’s latest updates from Kabul. It also includes timely information from the organizations (SPCA International, War Paws, Marley’s Mutts, Animal Wellness Action and Puppy Rescue Mission) who have been working non-stop to evacuate her and the military working dogs, and pets under the care of Kabul Small Animal Rescue. We are in regular communication with Charlotte, and our latest debriefing occurred on August 30, 2021, at 3 pm EST.

Despite being at the airport when the ISIS-K bombing took place on August 26 and facing the vast array of threats there, Charlotte is now off airport grounds in Kabul and, for the moment, is safe. On August 30, she was forced to leave the airport with one puppy under her arm as final military evacuations occurred. She was escorted by the Taliban back to her rescue shelter, 7 miles outside of Kabul, where she remains safe for the moment.

As the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan was happening, Charlotte never relented in her efforts to help the animals of Kabul and even took on new animal-care responsibilities. She was able to rescue 46 working dogs and several personal pets belonging to fleeing Americans. Her dedication to saving lives in a war zone during a military evacuation is a remarkable testament to her courage and commitment.

The majority of KSAR staff, and the cats in their care, were never granted access to the airport. They are safe for the moment at another location in Kabul.

The current information regarding the status of KSAR’s 130 dogs is much less clear, despite our constant efforts to confirm their whereabouts.

Here is what we know: In the end, the dogs and their caretakers were explicitly NOT allowed to board military aircraft, and numerous private charter aircraft were not granted access to the airport either. Charlotte was informed that most of the KSAR dogs had to be released into the airport on August 30 as the airport was evacuated – turning once rescued shelter dogs into homeless strays. They were not given access to the flight we had secured to transport them out of the country. They are within the airport in an area used for housing employees at the far end of the flight line. We haven’t been able to confirm the number of dogs released, nor can we confirm whether the U.S. Military evacuated the 46 working dogs that had been under KSAR’s care when they left. We are urgently pressing for more details, and while this is more difficult now that the U.S. military has completely evacuated Kabul, we refuse to give up.

Moving forward, KSAR’s primary objective is to return to the airport– when it is safe and with the hope of Taliban cooperation–to try and retrieve or re-rescue the animals who were released at the airport. The situation at the airport remains very unsafe, but KSAR is hopeful their staff will be allowed to return to the airport at some point to try to save their dogs. During her departure from the airport on August 30, Charlotte requested the U.S. Military open the bags of dog food she was able to bring into the airport and scatter their contents in the area where the dogs had been released.

Urgent Update and Action Plan from Charlotte & Kabul Small Animal Rescue (KSAR) - SPCA International

We’re writing with an urgent update on the status of Charlotte Maxwell-Jones, founder of Kabul Small Animal Rescue; the animals under the care of Kabul Small Animal Rescue, including 130 dogs; and the ongoing efforts to evacuate them along with the shelter’s staff. This update includes...

www.spcai.org

I am really concerned this is going to turn into a hostage situation…

 

[thegirlscout]

I am really concerned this is going to turn into a hostage situation…

With those left behind, isn’t it already like a hostage situation?

Is Lyse Doucet ok? Isn’t she in danger being there?!

 

[justbeingnosy98]

Is Lyse Doucet ok? Isn’t she in danger being there?!

I wonder this every night I see her on the news!? Surely as a female white western reporter it won’t be safe for her to be there much longer?

She was reporting with a helmet on last night due to the “celebratory” gunfire post US withdrawal.

 

[emm]

I wonder this every night I see her on the news!? Surely as a female white western reporter it won’t be safe for her to be there much longer?

She was reporting with a helmet on last night due to the “celebratory” gunfire post US withdrawal.

The thing is, how could she even get out now? When will flights resume again without professional staff working in the airports? And if I were a pilot/ cabin crew I Would be extremely reticent to take the risk tbh

 

[Underthetabletop]

Reading her stuff, there was a brilliant article from her in the New Statesman and she mentions Qutar, so I wonder if she has some protection there

Lyse Doucet’s Kabul notebook: A dystopian airfield, and the Afghans leaving everything behind

As thousands depart with their life in a piece of hand luggage, Afghanistan feels like a nation emptying of some of its best and brightest.

www.newstatesman.com

I’m just glad there is someone there because if the Afghan media is already being ‘monitored’ then we need some independent insight from there.
For all we have spoken of bravery on this thread in different forms, she’s got the biggest kahunas I have known from anyone and all to tell us what’s happening and because she knows there are people’s stories there that need to be told

 

[bringingdownthebs]

With those left behind, isn’t it already like a hostage situation?

Is Lyse Doucet ok? Isn’t she in danger being there?!

it is kind of but I mean like the kind of atrocities we saw when ISIS were at large… all over social media, huge ransoms demanded that the West won’t and don’t pay and then brutal executions played out across the world. They’re like sitting ducks. It’s truly awful.

 

[freda19]

Reading her stuff, there was a brilliant article from her in the New Statesman and she mentions Qutar, so I wonder if she has some protection there

Lyse Doucet’s Kabul notebook: A dystopian airfield, and the Afghans leaving everything behind

As thousands depart with their life in a piece of hand luggage, Afghanistan feels like a nation emptying of some of its best and brightest.

www.newstatesman.com

I’m just glad there is someone there because if the Afghan media is already being ‘monitored’ then we need some independent insight from there.
For all we have spoken of bravery on this thread in different forms, she’s got the biggest kahunas I have known from anyone and all to tell us what’s happening and because she knows there are people’s stories there that need to be told

Absolutely. We need to be informed from someone on the ground who will be honest. That poor Afghan news reader looked like he was shitting himself and no doubt his reports will be carefully monitored.
Doucet deserves a bloody medal. I'm hoping and praying she has an escape plan and can be safely extracted when she starts to feel very unsafe.

 

[emm]

it is kind of but I mean like the kind of atrocities we saw when ISIS were at large… all over social media, huge ransoms demanded that the West won’t and don’t pay and then brutal executions played out across the world. They’re like sitting ducks. It’s truly awful.

yeah I think people are naive if they think the people left won't be made examples of. They may end up doing Stalin style show trials or something to give some kind of semblance of rule of law, but they will not have changed from how they were before

 

[bringingdownthebs]

yeah I think people are naive if they think the people left won't be made examples of. They may end up doing Stalin style show trials or something to give some kind of semblance of rule of law, but they will not have changed from how they were before

completely agree. It’s heartbreaking for all of the people left behind.

 

[emm]

completely agree. It’s heartbreaking for all of the people left behind.

really is, especially as they clearly know what these people look like, where they live etc .I was so shocked to find that , in my very international workplace, people seem to think that the Taliban have changed, just seems unbelievable anyone with any common sense could thing so tbh