Afghanistan

[Chita]

He’s out? I haven’t seen that anywhere

If you can get uk Talk radio, the Kevin O'Sullivan show tonight (7pm til 10pm) will no doubt give an update.
The presenter has been a supporter of Pen and has spoken to him on the show recently and the actor and animal rights activist Peter Egan is also on the show tonight.
So they are bound to discuss it.
Ive got it on now and they havent covered it yet.
But they will.

 

[Ahahha]

I will be still screaming you bet your life on it....

Our government is a joke they have left information behind that the taliban should never have I have noticed no snp said anything about it all... Biden is a disgrace our woman and men went there for nothing and some lost there lifes for what

 

[kev1974]

Hopefully it also means that the American rescue has had some luck with finding a plane and getting some of their animals out.
Very sad for the staff though and I imagine they’re in increased danger due to media presence around this


Has anyone seen this?

Suicide mission surely.

 

[Underthetabletop]

I will be still screaming you bet your life on it....

Our government is a joke they have left information behind that the taliban should never have I have noticed no snp said anything about it all... Biden is a disgrace our woman and men went there for nothing and some lost there lifes for what

You know Trump was the one to pull out right?

 

[NeverEnough]

You know Trump was the one to pull out right?

Yes Trump negotiated the “peace”. But the shitshow of the withdrawal is a Biden/Harris production. He is the one in charge, not Trump. He is the here where the buck stops.

 

[Underthetabletop]

Some people are pissed like twirp that a man who fought in the war has got a backing and got the animals out and we won't give up on his staff or the

Eh????
What’s this got to do with me making the point that this withdrawal of everything was initially started by Trump. Biden has made it more of a shitshow, that’s true, but this deal was brokered by one persons vision that we had ‘won the war’ and he didn’t give a crap that it’s meant the taliban etc have been able to rise to power so quickly.
I give up, some of us are discussing about the implications all this has for people and I’d quite like to get back to that rather than crowing about ‘victories over the big bad government’

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...kabul-describe-feeling-abandoned-uk-officials

god, these poor people.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Sounds like Kabul small animal rescue is ducked. Read the tweets and replies

https://twitter.com/KSAnimalRescue/with_replies

 

[MyLittlePony25]

Sounds like Kabul small animal rescue is ducked. Read the tweets and replies

https://twitter.com/KSAnimalRescue/with_replies

their charter fell through?! I really hope they get space on board a flight

 

[mcfeez]

Yes Trump negotiated the “peace”. But the shitshow of the withdrawal is a Biden/Harris production. He is the one in charge, not Trump. He is the here where the buck stops.

I'm confident Trump would have done the exact same as Biden - just pulled out troops with little plan for after. I'm just shocked that this is the one Trump decision Biden decided not to overrturn or at least rethink. It's unbelievable. His response has actually been diabolical.

 

[Merpedy]

I'm confident Trump would have done the exact same as Biden - just pulled out troops with little plan for after. I'm just shocked that this is the one Trump decision Biden decided not to overrturn or at least rethink. It's unbelievable. His response has actually been diabolical.

Thing is, American public is in support of pulling out and has been for a while, and he is right in saying that chaos would have ensued anyway and it’s a total possibility that finance wise this was expected to cost less

I remember there was talk of how there was a technicality of sorts which meant that Trump’s decision couldn’t be overridden too, but I can’t find anything on that so maybe someone more knowledgable can confirm or deny

 

[WhatwouldPrinnyDo]

Honestly wish the military could stop pratting about with concerns about animals Getting out, and focus on getting the vulnerable people out who need to be evacuated urgently.

 

[Merpedy]

Honestly wish the military could stop pratting about with concerns about animals Getting out, and focus on getting the vulnerable people out who need to be evacuated urgently.

UK closed gates in early morning of today and was only processing very few people that they had hand selected

Not sure what the state of US is but judging by the document changes, I imagine that the situation is more or less the same in a way

it doesn’t seem that we are really rescuing any ‘new’ people at this point

Lyse Doucet still seems to be in Kabul (on the news now), so I wonder what the process is for press. Apparently Sky news (or some other press people) was told to go home as the governments/military didn’t want people to see the mess that would occur in the very last days

edit - it was Sky News indeed

Afghanistan: Sky reporter feared for those left behind as he departed Kabul with Afghans who will never see their country again

Among those on the C-17 plane heading to Qatar were an elderly couple who held hands as they looked at the mountains in the distance, probably for the last time.

news.sky.com

 

[Yel]

I'm confident Trump would have done the exact same as Biden - just pulled out troops with little plan for after. I'm just shocked that this is the one Trump decision Biden decided not to overrturn or at least rethink. It's unbelievable. His response has actually been diabolical.

Trump would have definitely ducked it up, but I do think it would have played out quite differently.

75% ish of people wanted out of Afghanistan, but not at the cost of more lives, highlighting the states diminishing power, people stranded and facing being hunted, more expense and so on. This pull out might have cost way more than being there for another 20 years with limited people there. Not to mention that this time of year is the worst to pull out as it's at the peak of seasonal fighting.

I think trump would have done a 360 - sent people back in to secure Kabul, the huge base there and the root to Pakistan. But we'll never know.

They literally have thousands of hostages now.

 

[Underthetabletop]

UK closed gates in early morning of today and was only processing very few people that they had hand selected

Not sure what the state of US is but judging by the document changes, I imagine that the situation is more or less the same in a way

it doesn’t seem that we are really rescuing any ‘new’ people at this point

Lyse Doucet still seems to be in Kabul (on the news now), so I wonder what the process is for press. Apparently Sky news (or some other press people) was told to go home as the governments/military didn’t want people to see the mess that would occur in the very last days

I think that’s the case, reading the article the sky newscaster Stuart Ramsey wrote. I think they knew things could go really pear shaped and tbh, having all the worlds media there when it does isn’t great, especially if they needed to undertake covert operations. It’s an interesting read

Redirect Notice

www.google.co.uk

 

[Yel]

I didn't realise trump was back on some platforms, he released this a few days ago

 

[thegirlscout]

Apparently the US gave the Taliban a list of names of all the people they wanted to evacuate. Which could effectively turn into a hit list when the US pulls out
Also we have ducked up too:

Has our Ambassador left?

 

[Yel]

Apparently the US gave the Taliban a list of names of all the people they wanted to evacuate. Which could effectively turn into a hit list when the US pulls out
Also we have ducked up too:
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Has our Ambassador left?

I thought this story was fake when it first popped up yesterday. But it really does seem that 1) they had loads of paper records with sensitive data and 2) they didn't torch them before fleeing

 

[thegirlscout]

I thought this story was fake when it first popped up yesterday. But it really does seem that 1) they had loads of paper records with sensitive data and 2) they didn't torch them before fleeing

Oh gosh, this is basic stuff! Burn everything! Destroy everything! Don’t leave things that your enemy can use

Someone here might be able to explain this to me because I am a little confused why everyone is angry at Joe Biden for not changing the evacuation date from Aug 31st?The Taliban have threatened that there will be some sort of action taken if the rescue efforts go pass August 31st so it’s really out of Biden’s bands surely? The only way to stay there would be to start another war? I’m not on about how the evacuations have taken place because they have been shocking but I’m not sure why people are angry that the US is sticking that the Aug 31st date?

 

[kev1974]

Trump would have definitely ducked it up, but I do think it would have played out quite differently.

75% ish of people wanted out of Afghanistan, but not at the cost of more lives, highlighting the states diminishing power, people stranded and facing being hunted, more expense and so on. This pull out might have cost way more than being there for another 20 years with limited people there. Not to mention that this time of year is the worst to pull out as it's at the peak of seasonal fighting.

I think trump would have done a 360 - sent people back in to secure Kabul, the huge base there and the root to Pakistan. But we'll never know.

They literally have thousands of hostages now.

It's difficult to say (and really a waste of time now anyway, what's done is done).

Fundamentally you might say that Trump's deal with the Taliban was a bad idea, because it let a load of them out of the jails, also should never negotiate with terrorists etc. However that very same Trump deal with the taliban is precisely why we've had these last few weeks to get on and do the mass evacuation in (relative) calm (except for the separate Isis-K lot causing the trouble yesterday) rather than a full-on instant warzone, and has meant that loads of countries have each been able to get tens of thousands of citizens out safely. So Trump probably deserves credit overall for that deal strategy?

But who knows really. Trump said he would get out by May, Biden extended things to now. Trump probably would have kept the bigger and better Bagram open as an alternative airfield, Biden just binned that off and totally abandoned it without really telling anyone in July, forcing everything to go through the Hamid Karzai airport. Trump's withdrawal might have been faster but more orderly, Biden's has been chaotic and stuck two fingers up at other countries needing the airport as well. We'll never know.

 

[Underthetabletop]

Oh gosh, this is basic stuff! Burn everything! Destroy everything! Don’t leave things that your enemy can use

Someone here might be able to explain this to me because I am a little confused why everyone is angry at Joe Biden for not changing the evacuation date from Aug 31st?The Taliban have threatened that there will be some sort of action taken if the rescue efforts go pass August 31st so it’s really out of Biden’s bands surely? The only way to stay there would be to start another war? I’m not on about how the evacuations have taken place because they have been shocking but I’m not sure why people are angry that the US is sticking that the Aug 31st date?

I think people were wanting him to storm in and say ‘no’ we want more time and the taliban would just well, have to accept it.

Unless it’s because they are winding things up now, when the 31st isn’t until Tuesday. But the line has always been so long as it’s safe to do it until then. And its not safe now so theyve had to move things on, however shocked we all are and upset at people being left behind.
But I think things will go on until then, it just won’t be reported so widely because it will be all the classified stuff, the military ops etc done between now and then when they have got the civilians etc out.

but I’ll be honest, I can’t work Biden out at all, so whether he’s just bleeping everyone over to get thing done by a 9/11 deadline as I read, or whther the US have just rogue because they can, I dunno. But his decision making seems increasingly wobbly to me, not just in this matter