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Biden is a terrible speaker. Was putting me to sleep so just switched off.

On another note saw that a resistance group has started up and is actively ambushing the Taliban (killed 300). So at least there's some sort of fight back going on.
 
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Biden is a terrible speaker. Was putting me to sleep so just switched off.

On another note saw that a resistance group has started up and is actively ambushing the Taliban (killed 300). So at least there's some sort of fight back going on.
He also comes across as very condescending at times and overly simplifies his speeches.
 
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Apparently theres a video between Biden and Macron that has been hushed-up and "disappeared" save for someone who had the aforethought to record it. I guess it will be Out There Somewhere though.

It was shown originally without a soundtrack yet someone had a lip-reader view it and the result was pretty damning when Macron says to Biden
"We have to sort this situation out - YOU have to sort out your side of it!!" to which Biden simply dismisses it with a wave of his hand and tells his aides to end the filming. It does not look too good does it???
 
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He also comes across as very condescending at times and overly simplifies his speeches.
Well his core supporters were the “Orange Man Bad” SJWs. It doesn’t really require deep analysis.

Looking on social media and other forums the Left are blaming Trump, the right are blaming Biden. The far left think the Taliban should rule in the UK too, and the Far Right want to carpet bomb the place. God politics is flapping depressing at times.
 
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I was astounded when I heard about how many contractors were leaving, doubly so when it was mentioned the afghan air force might be crippled without them (I dare say this is likely an oversimplification).

Was there no training of local replacements going on? This should have been in place years ago once the stuff needing maintenance was going to be a permanent feature. After 20 years (OK call it 15, after being declared 'a democracy') there should already be a mostly-complete workforce to carry on without too many serious hiccups. .

The withdrawal is a complete disaster as evidenced by the fact that it has resulted in needing an evacuation, but a certain ex-PM should STFU not just because he's a week late and just stating the Bleedin Obvious but because he's trying to make us forget that he shares the guilt of the failures that got us to this point.
 
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I do sort of feel for Boris as he's now having to sort the withdrawal time frame out too. I reckon he knows that if America don't delay it, British withdrawals (and whichever countries are left) are in a bad spot

There's a few shelters that remain there asking for Biden to extent the withdrawal date too. A few seem to have everything in order but need to actually have the planes approved for landing so animals can be rescued and even then there's staff to worry about
 
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Cultural vandalism is a huge problem in war zones. Granted it’s not one of the biggest issues the country faces but massive swathes of their culture and heritage can be destroyed, wiped out or sold on the black market. The international council of museums has given a statement about the situation.

Also this article on Wikipedia gives a helpful outline of what has been destroyed, all those generations of culture have gone.


I do fear for the people who have worked to protect these sites because they will be in the Taliban’s crosshairs. This happened in Syria around 6 years ago. The curator refused to give ISIS information and they beheaded him.
Cultural genocide is a big issue. IIRC one of the first humanitarian missions into Kosovo included those from the heritage sector.

Of course, groups like the Taliban and ISIS just blow stuff up now. I suspect individuals will be trying to take what they can and document what they can't.

Someone made a good point on the radio last night. A female caller said it's all well and good us trying to implement our ideals on Afghanistan, but this country didn't give women the vote until almost 100 years ago. grape was only made illegal in 1968 in Britain. Can we really sit on the high horse in this situation?
grape was still legal in heterosexual marriages until the 1980s in Scotland.
 
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I do sort of feel for Boris as he's now having to sort the withdrawal time frame out too. I reckon he knows that if America don't delay it, British withdrawals (and whichever countries are left) are in a bad spot

There's a few shelters that remain there asking for Biden to extent the withdrawal date too. A few seem to have everything in order but need to actually have the planes approved for landing so animals can be rescued and even then there's staff to worry about
Yeah agree and I know it's an unpopular opinion as "Tory's are rum" and BJ is an idiot yada yada but he's got very little power and he's low in the pecking order of people to blame for this mess.

Lisa nandy constantly on TV saying how awful the government are and how they must extend it, groundbreaking 🙄 I'm sure they're not trying that. I have zero confidence labour would do any better.
 
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Yeah I know it's an unpopular opinion as "Tory's are rum" and BJ is an idiot yada yada but he's got very little power and he's low in the pecking order of people to blame for this mess.

Lisa nandy constantly on TV saying how awful the government are and how they must extend it, groundbreaking 🙄 I'm sure they're not trying that. I have zero confidence labour would do any better.
I agree but (OT sorry)it does just prove the point, that bojo argued against, the uk is a small and relatively powerless country without being part of something like the EU. regardless, without the backing of the US nothing else really mKes a difference at this stage, what is really depressing is how, in the US at least there seems no difference in foreign policy between the two parties
 
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I do sort of feel for Boris as he's now having to sort the withdrawal time frame out too. I reckon he knows that if America don't delay it, British withdrawals (and whichever countries are left) are in a bad spot

There's a few shelters that remain there asking for Biden to extent the withdrawal date too. A few seem to have everything in order but need to actually have the planes approved for landing so animals can be rescued and even then there's staff to worry about
NOWZAD are awaiting their clearance number and they'll be off thank God! Pen intends to take everbody and every animal onto a charter plane they have ordered so they just need their number and its all systems go with just that getting to the airport to deal with :( I pray for them all :-
 
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Yeah, given £5.66 a day to live on until their application is processed which can take a long time, arrive with the clothes on their backs,


The housing crisis in the UK was caused mainly by Thatchers Right To Buy. The lack of housing is because she sold off homes, or allowed people to sell them off and profit from it.

The lack of resources we are seeing in the UK now is the result of 10 years of Tory austerity, nothing to do with the Labour Government. The years under Cameron et saw some of the worst poverty ever in the UK

Brexit was built on a lie, people voted for things that they were told were fact that later turned out to be innaccurate.
Lots of communities in the North did this as they had been struggling for decades with unemployment and a completely decimated community, and who did that to them.... THATCHER!! Shut the mines, didnt she? Main source of employment for thousands of people
This viewpoint that immigrants then arrived and took jobs meant for British peoples is also RIDICULOUS!
If an employer chooses to employ an immigrant over a Brit then thats the fault of the employer. Ask yourself why they might want to employ someone who works a bit harder, or for a bit cheaper. The answer is Capitalism - get something done as cheaply as possible for as much profit, every man for themselves etc. Who loved that idea?? THATCHER!

People smiling when they arrive on a boat? I would be smiling if I had got to safety having been on a dinghy on the British Channel. How ridiculous to say someone's intentions are bad because they smile.

Refuges being responsible for terrible crimes?
Are we forgetting women being murdered by British off duty police officers whilst they are walking home?
Are we forgetting Plymouth?

I sincerely hope you never find yourself in a situation where you might need some help from an immigrant
Very passionate but I think you’ve missed a very salient point. If a immigrant arrives on British soil by dinghy they can only have done so from France. A safe country and a signatory to the Geneva convention and the UN charter of human rights. It’s a simple fact of geography, the UK is an island situated in the Northwest extreme on continental Europe. The only way the UK can be the first safe country an asylum seeker arrives in is if they catch a direct flight, otherwise they will have passed through numerous EU countries to get here. The rules regarding asylum are clear, you are expected to clam in the first safe country you arrive in, hence the existence of the Dublin Regulations.


If a person wants to claim asylum they have a right, but it’s a perfectly legitimate question to ask if they are so desperate, why they ignored the EU countries they passed through? Because that looks like economic migration to me. And there are numerous routes via visas and work permits to immigrate legally. Unless of course these people don’t have the useful skills required to qualify? Which I suspect.

And Thatcher and capitalism? Really? Yes she shut the mines but frankly she had to. I was born in Easington in County Durham. What I often remember about my childhood is cycling past that stinking colliery on a regular basis. And the place DID stink, particularly during the hot summer months. The pile of coal got bigger everyday. Why? Because they couldn’t sell it. The pit had been in operation for nearly 100 years and pretty much exhausted. The reality was that it was cheaper to import coal from Australia than extract it from Durham. Thatcher devastated the town in the short run but saved it in the long run. I was the first generation to grow up in Easington who’s future didn’t involve disappearing down a large hole in the ground for decades and being nearly crippled at 50 from industrial injuries.

Today Easington has more or less returned to it’s pre-industrial revolution roots as a semi-rural community, and for the first time in my memory is actually a nice place to live.


I agree but (OT sorry)it does just prove the point, that bojo argued against, the uk is a small and relatively powerless country without being part of something like the EU. regardless, without the backing of the US nothing else really mKes a difference at this stage, what is really depressing is how, in the US at least there seems no difference in foreign policy between the two parties
Biden just ignored the EU as well. Europe is the old world. Like it or not the US, China and Asia is the future.
 
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I agree but (OT sorry)it does just prove the point, that bojo argued against, the uk is a small and relatively powerless country without being part of something like the EU. regardless, without the backing of the US nothing else really mKes a difference at this stage, what is really depressing is how, in the US at least there seems no difference in foreign policy between the two parties
Yep although the EU doesn't appear to be making much progress either. I'm not sure all of the other G7 would have much power.

Biden is just chasing what will win favour with voters. The US population only really care about their own citizens. So he wants to get these out asap before there's an attack or something that will play badly with voters. He will shrug his shoulders at the Afghani his country has put in danger and left there claiming he tried his best.

As it's Afghan people falling from a plane and being crushed to death long term he can recover from that. Politics is so slimy, especially in the states.
 
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Yep although the EU doesn't appear to be making much progress either. I'm not sure all of the other G7 would have much power.

Biden is just chasing what will win favour with voters. The US population only really care about their own citizens. So he wants to get these out asap before an attack or something that will play badly with voters. He will shrug his shoulders at the Afghani his country has put in danger and left there claiming he tried his best.

As it's Afghan people falling from a plane and being crushed to death long term he can recover from that. Politics is so slimy, especially in the states.
Yesterday I saw the story Pen put on of a US citizen who worked with him at NOWZAD who was evacuated to Germany last week and is still there living in a sports hall or something alo,gside hundreds of other people - she is heavily pregnant too, struggling to carry on in those circumstances. Maybe Biden should be questioning WHY his own citizens are stuck in Germany still and he's doing nothing about it seemingly?
 
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Yep although the EU doesn't appear to be making much progress either. I'm not sure all of the other G7 would have much power.

Biden is just chasing what will win favour with voters. The US population only really care about their own citizens. So he wants to get these out asap before there's an attack or something that will play badly with voters. He will shrug his shoulders at the Afghani his country has put in danger and left there claiming he tried his best.

As it's Afghan people falling from a plane and being crushed to death long term he can recover from that. Politics is so slimy, especially in the states.
Politics has been ducked up for decades. Now it just reminds me of football supporters chanting obscenities at the opposition.

Why aren’t Remoaners screaming blue murder about this.


Because they sure as hell screamed blue murder about Trumps Mexican wall. But I get it. US = bad, EU = good right?
 
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I didn't believe my brother and his posts about illegals coming here from France the claims were pretty out there. In trying to be smug and proving him wrong, it was me that was proved wrong. I could not believe what I was seeing, the dinghies even being escorted over here by the fence navy. 100s of dinghies along the coast. so many men around the same age were being escorted onto busses. looking smug at the camera none looking worried or scared. I was transported to a whole new way of thinking.
I always believed those people who complained about illegals here were racists arsholes.
 
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Yep although the EU doesn't appear to be making much progress either. I'm not sure all of the other G7 would have much power.

Biden is just chasing what will win favour with voters. The US population only really care about their own citizens. So he wants to get these out asap before there's an attack or something that will play badly with voters. He will shrug his shoulders at the Afghani his country has put in danger and left there claiming he tried his best.

As it's Afghan people falling from a plane and being crushed to death long term he can recover from that. Politics is so slimy, especially in the states.
The irony is, didn’t a lot of people vote for this guy because they didn’t like Trumps “America first” stance?
 
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Maybe Biden should be questioning WHY his own citizens are stuck in Germany still and he's doing nothing about it seemingly?
I think the story of someone evacuated from Afghanistan to Germany and left there wouldn't play that badly so not suprised she's not a priority

The irony is, didn’t a lot of people vote for this guy because they didn’t like Trumps “America first” stance?
It does show how ridiculous it all is. The oversimplification to call someone bad and the other person good - applies to many in US politics and those in Afghanistan.

There would have been outrage if Johnson has given such selfish and heartless speaches as Biden has.

Trump no doubt would have ducked this up, but in a different way and no one will ever know if that would have yeilded a better result.
 
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I’m a bit conflicted on Biden because this was going to happen anyway. Moving troops out in a phased manner may have delayed some of the chaos but there’s the possibility that people would have known what was coming, some employees would have been left behind (which imo is the most shameful thing) and, as he has seem to have said, it would have been seen as a waste of time for some people anyway. Plus the possibility that it may have been a waste of more money

I think it’s easy for the public to sit there and call it all shameful and blame the people in power, but this seems to have been the outcome anyway - maybe on a smaller scale but still shameful. Many Americans weren’t in favour of staying there either and I doubt many were thinking about human rights

Apparently Boris has been working behind the scenes since the start of this and we haven’t heard much about it. Not a fan of Boris personally, so that seems like a stupid choice by his PR department or the media as it would make him look like he’s at least trying and isn’t just backing Raab and his holidays

I think this is more of a reminder that countries shouldn’t follow America blindly or in general tbh. The EU isn’t able to do anything because it’s really not their business, and Britain has not had a lot of international influence for ages anyway. All the smaller countries are going to be left screwed if they’re not able to withdraw from Afghanistan in time. Doubt many are going to blame America if/when it comes to that because diplomacy

Also I wonder what’s so hard with getting planes clearance. It seems like Pen had everything planned to a T and now MoD dropped out on him for some reason, so there must be some difficulty with getting clearance?
 
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