2024 US Election #3

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I'd like to think that's what's going to happen but I have my doubts. Some of those leaders will cleave to the US until their dying breath.
We shall see.
My thinking is somewhat line line with this - the removal of dependency on the US or at the very least marking it as undependable and unreliable is going to have to happen for countries that are able to do that,.
 
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One outcome of Europe attempting to broker a deal is that it calls Trumps bluff.

ETA. This comment from the NYT articulates it well.
Trump is isolating the US from the rest of the world, along with Elon's help. Exactly what Putin has wanted for years.
 
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This is like resigning to avoid being kicked out.
It would kill NATO - but fortunately it seems we are already well into the first stages of creating a successor - but it would not kill the UN though if Russia left it too there would be some major fallout but I can;t see them doing that because staying in with the US out would let them play the system to the detriment of the US and any of their allies, if they still have any by then.

Russia (and reps thereof) frequently speak about the ills of the 'rules based order' which is basically the UN but it's a useful vehicle and soapbox for them.

But this won't be about any 'great way forward', it will be about money and control and not having pesky annoyances like international law to worry about.
 
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Honestly Putin just needs to be assassinated. The UK is complicit in the invision of Ukraine as we never took action over Litvenchiko and the Salisbury poisonings.
 
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It’s bizarro times when I’m in agreement with George Galloway.



duck every Euro feeding into this hatred and guaranteed killing of thousands of civilians. Evil bloodlusting guys. You will be judged.
 
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It’s bizarro times when I’m in agreement with George Galloway.



duck every Euro feeding into this hatred and guaranteed killing of thousands of civilians. Evil bloodlusting guys. You will be judged.
You don't judge Russia who is actively sending millions of men to the front for an imperialistic war? Just like the third Reich did 91 years ago? Europeans don't want war with Russia. They want deterrence to stop Russia agressing their neighbors and expanding. They want Russia to stop those sabotage operations like cutting cables in the sea, explosive parcels in planes and murders on their land (Salisbury, Berlin and co.).

We are not teaching our kids to like war as they do in Russia where young kids are parading every 8th of May in military outfits and being told they need to be ready to sacrifice themselves for the imperialistic goals of the motherland. While we remember with horror and sadness the lost lives of WWII they created a death cult out of it. Stalin statues are popping again in russian city centres. The man that executed so many of his own compatriots and brutally treated every minority in Russia all in the name of the supposedly greatness of the Soviet Union.

Germany is not mourning the Third Reich, France is not dreaming about Napoleon's conquests, the UK is not thinking of getting back its old colonies, Ireland included while Putin and many Russians consider that the dismantling of the Soviet Union is the biggest tragedy of the 20th century and are actively trying to revive it without its communist character. Tell me, who has bloodlust?
 
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You don't judge Russia who is actively sending millions of men to the front for an imperialistic war? Just like the third Reich did 91 years ago? Europeans don't want war with Russia. They want deterrence to stop Russia agressing their neighbors and expanding. They want Russia to stop those sabotage operations like cutting cables in the sea, explosive parcels in planes and murders on their land (Salisbury, Berlin and co.).

We are not teaching our kids to like war as they do in Russia where young kids are parading every 8th of May in military outfits and being told they need to be ready to sacrifice themselves for the imperialistic goals of the motherland. While we remember with horror and sadness the lost lives of WWII they created a death cult out of it. Stalin statues are popping again in russian city centres. The man that executed so many of his own compatriots and brutally treated every minority in Russia all in the name of the supposedly greatness of the Soviet Union.

Germany is not mourning the Third Reich, France is not dreaming about Napoleon's conquests, the UK is not thinking of getting back its old colonies, Ireland included while Putin and many Russians consider that the dismantling of the Soviet Union is the biggest tragedy of the 20th century and are actively trying to revive it without its communist character. Tell me, who has bloodlust?
I'm going to hazard a guess but I think that particular poster has disappeared way down some internet black hole.
 
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That George Galloway would choose America over Europe has actually surprised me. I know Europe doesn't exactly come at this with clean hands but he of all people knows exactly what the USA is responsible for

 
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That George Galloway would choose America over Europe has actually surprised me. I know Europe doesn't exactly come at this with clean hands but he of all people knows exactly what the USA is responsible for

Galloway is just another stupid old Trot who'll just change his opinion when it suits.
 
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Galloway is just another stupid old Trot who'll just change his opinion when it suits.
Yes I think he is an opportunist and I don't think he'd be saying this about the US in any other circumstance than them siding with Russia.
 
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Galloway is just another stupid old Trot who'll just change his opinion when it suits.
Maybe he wants an invite to Mar-a-Lago?

I mean it would be my idea of hell, bunch of mutilated faced, vapid, vacuous holes chatting banal vacuous tit over dinner and golf, but each to their own.
 
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