2024 US Election #3

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I think it was definitely planned, and more for the Russian audience than anything else.
Which may or may not have some remarkable coincidentality with a TASS correspondent 'accidentally' being allowed in to the Oval Office (did get shown the door when someone spotted who they were, will be interesting who it was that dared to speak up and 'out' them).
 
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On another note, I have a suggestion. US should pay back all the countries which have suffered due to its unending, often covert, interference in their politics and leadership since the end of the Second World War. The people of Chile suffered for years under Pinochet, how about the US pays them compensation. Too many other examples to mention really but if that’s the game they are playing then they owe millions if not billions of people comoensation.
That's not going to ever happen. The American people would riot.
 
Firmly of the opinion now that Trump et al want WWIII so they can stay in power for as long as possible.

The way they spoke to VZ yesterday was appalling.
 
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This tweet was originally on the Donald Trump thread, I hope its ok to copy?

It says the name of the person who recognised the Russian press person, and who asked for them to be removed. It was Andrew Feinberg.

 
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How does someone not on the approved list make it all the way to the Oval? I'm supposed to believe that because I'm not.
 
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There’s going to be a European blood bath.

Criticising the US and pretending their influence is inconsequential to stemming the degree of slaughter of our children that’s about to happen is baffling.
 
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Think that Musk and his cronies have plans to smash Europe to increase global domination and control.
 
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Think that Musk and his cronies have plans to smash Europe to increase global domination and control.
If Europe hadn’t been so decadent there wouldn’t be the vultures imho. EU bureaucrats killed Europe.
 
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There’s going to be a European blood bath.

Criticising the US and pretending their influence is inconsequential to stemming the degree of slaughter of our children that’s about to happen is baffling.
What's the point of begging the US? Trump made it clear he wants out of NATO. It's just a question of 'when'. Better for European countries to work on their own security. It should have been done years ago tbh. The delusion was to believe it's possible to count on the US.

The functionment of the EU has its flaws but powers like Russia the US or China are not against of the EU because of those flaws but because of the economic power that the union gives to a group of countries that just by themselves would be more easily dominated by each of those powers. An EU reform is needed but the end of it would just accelerate the complete declin of Europe as a whole.
 
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What's the point of begging the US? Trump made it clear he wants out of NATO. It's just a question of 'when'. Better for European countries to work on their own security. It should have been done years ago tbh. The delusion was to believe it's possible to count on the US.

The functionment of the EU has its flaws but powers like Russia the US or China are not against of the EU because of those flaws but because of the economic power that the union gives to a group of countries that just by themselves would be more easily dominated by each of those powers. An EU reform is needed but the end of it would just accelerate the complete declin of Europe as a whole.
I don’t think Europe has the infrastructure or economy to manage its own security in time to muscle out Putin and prevent mass continent wide slaughter.

ETA: Other powers are only worried about Europe because of Big Brother US stood behind it. If the US washed its hands of any alliance the EU is not a threat to those powers.
 
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Trump made it clear he wants out of NATO. It's just a question of 'when'. Better for European countries to work on their own security. It should have been done years ago tbh. The delusion was to believe it's possible to count on the US.
Trump doesn't understand NATO because it's not a simplistic 'pay this, get that' relationship and if he doesn't understand it then he can't control it and therefore wants no part of it. We know he was already no longer interested in the deal by the time Zelensky arrived, but some sort way forward would have been possible if Vance hadn't deliberately sabotaged it.

European countries could push Russia out of Ukraine but (and a huge one as stepping into a war like that requires all-in) if and only if they are willing to take the risk of the (non-nuclear) fallout as Putin throws whatever he has available at anything within range with the same sort of discrimination as with Ukraine, i.e. power infrastructure, hospitals etc, there's a whole load of other knock-on effects to deal with and it couldn't be immediate but staged.

Amongst other things hopefully the group meeting today can appoint a liaison to translate things into terms Trump can follow, though they still need to break his moronic attachment to false information and Kremlin talking points though since he can't remember stuff he said yesterday (or pretends not to without blinking) it might be a more basic matter of removing the prompters.
 
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Trump doesn't understand NATO because it's not a simplistic 'pay this, get that' relationship and if he doesn't understand it then he can't control it and therefore wants no part of it. We know he was already no longer interested in the deal by the time Zelensky arrived, but some sort way forward would have been possible if Vance hadn't deliberately sabotaged it.

European countries could push Russia out of Ukraine but (and a huge one as stepping into a war like that requires all-in) if and only if they are willing to take the risk of the (non-nuclear) fallout as Putin throws whatever he has available at anything within range with the same sort of discrimination as with Ukraine, i.e. power infrastructure, hospitals etc, there's a whole load of other knock-on effects to deal with and it couldn't be immediate but staged.

Amongst other things hopefully the group meeting today can appoint a liaison to translate things into terms Trump can follow, though they still need to break his moronic attachment to false information and Kremlin talking points though since he can't remember stuff he said yesterday (or pretends not to without blinking) it might be a more basic matter of removing the prompters.
The meeting today couldn't have come at a better time.
Time to bin the U.S.A.
 
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The meeting today couldn't have come at a better time.
Time to bin the U.S.A.
I'd like to think that's what's going to happen but I have my doubts. Some of those leaders will cleave to the US until their dying breath.
We shall see.
 
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