2024 US Election #2

[Onetwofour]

Oh well, that's quite telling of what's coming for Ukraine.

Btw Julia Davis does a great job at monitoring, translating and reporting on russian medias. I think people don't realize how much Russians has been fed with a very strong anti-western propaganda on the russian state TV. In our western bubble we are quite blind at the contempt and hatred in Russia towards the West. They see themselves at war with us and exploit western weaknesses through disinfo reinforcing divisions.

 

[MsMadamSecretary]

God, I hope he doesn’t put Musk in charge of women’s health, he will be insisting on multiple birthing all over the place. Probably with him as the father.

A video I saw on Elon Musk 'breeder kink' noted Jeffrey Epstein had a ranch he wanted to mass inseminate women on - Elon might build one next!

 

[NeverEnough]

Trump has taken Arizona as well. Making it pretty much a clean sweep of the swing states.

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I don’t know how this can interpreted as anything but a complete disaster for the Democrats. It gets even worse if you take a deep dive. Minnesota is considered one of the most progressive states in the Union. It’s Tim Waltz’s state FFS and it’s now considered “competitive”. Weren’t Florida and Ohio once considered swing states as well? Now considered Republican. In fact wasn’t Wisconsin once banker democrat? Hell even New Hampshire and arguably New Jersey, both Democrat traditionally, are getting squeaky tight. Yet there don’t appear to be any Republican states that are within 10% close for the democrats.

This absolutely must be worrying for the Democrats? What’s the plan? Just sit back and hope Trump ducks up?

 

[miss n thropy]

As I said previously in response to the op, it's likely due to the fact he is a trad Catholic. They tend to have traditional views in regards to gender roles.

Clearly nobody ever explained that to my mam who was married to my trad Catholic dad

 

[MsMadamSecretary]

Why is Elon Musk always dressing up like an 8 year old boy? Cowboy hats, Iron man costumes? What’s next, Bob the Builder?

It's like Professor Xavier Millei of Argentina with his 'superhero to save Argentina' costume and concerts. Even fans have called it cringe.

 

[Smca53]

As I said previously in response to the op, it's likely due to the fact he is a trad Catholic. They tend to have traditional views in regards to gender roles.

Yes, if only such people could travel back to the 1950s where they’d be most comfortable.

 

[BessieNessie]

People can have very different opinions on issues like abortion and none of them are wrong. They just see the issues from different perspectives. Its like some people have literally no ability to respect another’s right to hold a different opinion. I guess that’s why they end up spending their days in echo chambers.

 

[Onetwofour]

Yes, if only such people could travel back to the 1950s where they’d be most comfortable.

I am always a bit horrified when some people say they would like to live in the 50s. The time where the US were still segrated, large swathes of the world were colonies, gay people had to stay in the
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People can have very different opinions on issues like abortion and none of them are wrong. They just see the issues from different perspectives. Its like some people have literally no ability to respect another’s right to hold a different opinion. I guess that’s why they end up spending their days in echo chambers.

I am fine with it. As long as anti-abortion people don't impose their views on me but when they work on enacting bans I feel like it goes further than what they feel wrong for themselves but forcing their beliefs on others.

 

[miss n thropy]

People can have very different opinions on issues like abortion and none of them are wrong. They just see the issues from different perspectives. Its like some people have literally no ability to respect another’s right to hold a different opinion. I guess that’s why they end up spending their days in echo chambers.

That’s true, but at some point, regarding some issues. someone has to say; you are entitled to your opinion, but this is what’s happening and you don’t have the right to impose your opinion on others just because you have the loudest voice. (Any Brit who has ever seen Carole Malone on pretty much anything will understand what I mean here)


There are also those who believe their opinions are in fact, facts.

Yes, sometimes Science gets things wrong, and further study will refine the way we approach things. It’s OK to change your opinion based on new information, thank goodness, I’ve often done it myself, but some people are never going to change their opinions because their opinions are literally who they are.

I always think, I respect your opinion, but please respect my right to ignore it. X


Edited to add: I will question some people on their opinions, and I don’t mind people questioning mine, I actually genuinely do want to understand where they are coming from sometimes. Very few of my closest friends have my political leanings but I still think they are good people, and they don’t see it as an attack when I question their opinions.

 

[Smca53]

I am fine with it. As long as anti-abortion people don't impose their views on me but when they work on enacting bans I feel like it goes further than what they feel wrong for themselves but forcing their beliefs on others.

This is exactly it not wanting others to impose their views on you (or others) somehow = not respecting their views

In that case, yes I do not respect someone else’s view that they have a say over my body. Or that I shouldn’t work in a profession and should only be permitted to be a homemaker, deferring to my husband whilst popping out all his children (whether I want them or not, is irrelevant).

Yes it’s true that if someone holds views like that, I have zero respect for those views. Don’t impose on me, like I won’t impose on you. That would be respect

 

[panache]

I wonder if the Dems are going to learn from this whole experience because they can’t use the same methods next time.

I doubt it. The party is busy blaming everyone but themselves including the voters. Aside from it being Kamala and Biden's fault it's the fault of white women, misogynistic black men and latinos, MAGA fascists and racists. The majority of Americans have been tricked by misinformation, they are uneducated and incapable of understanding what's best for them.

 

[Dollenganger]

Since the media is now reporting on Trump ‘going after’ his ‘enemies’ which include Obama and Nancy Pelosi, what do you guys think this will actually mean in reality?

It’s quite frightening that the media are reporting on the next POTUS planning revenge as if that is a normal thing for them to do. Which is of course motivated by his narcissistic injury.

 

[Doc]

Since the media is now reporting on Trump ‘going after’ his ‘enemies’ which include Obama and Nancy Pelosi, what do you guys think this will actually mean in reality?

It’s quite frightening that the media are reporting on the next POTUS planning revenge as if that is a normal thing for them to do. Which is of course motivated by his narcissistic injury.

I think you first need to note which news agencies are reporting that and rationale the tone.

Like it or not, one thing I do particularly agree with Musk & Trump is that there is inaccurate and incendiary reporting from political leaning in legacy media. It stands to reason, they’re businesses and they feed into their market’s bias to keep themselves afloat.

 

[MsMadamSecretary]

I agree - a lot of them seem to regard Joe Rogan as a maga loving boogeyman who is spouting hate speech or something which is pretty far removed from how the show works. Like you don't have to agree with everything he says or like him much personally but this kind of aversion to any sort of PR that could reach a massive audience is working against them. Like did people forget that Bernie Sanders went on the show some years ago too? He's not exactly the poster boy for MAGA It's like they think that the mere association with anyone who isn't part of their political tribe will taint then or something. A successful campaign is about building coalitions not just confirmation bias from members of your own tribe.

I don't really listen to the podcast but I remember Dr Sam Harris back in 2016 on Making Sense saying he'd made some analogy on Trump on the JRE so I thought Rogan wasn't necessarily pro Trump? I know as an interviewer he wants a variety of people anyway so it's about the 'scoop' rather than his views.
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We will always have memes

Glad someone though of the Corpse Bride worm and skeleton

 

[Dollenganger]

I think you first need to note which news agencies are reporting that and rationale the tone.

Like it or not, one thing I do particularly agree with Musk & Trump is that there is inaccurate and incendiary reporting from political leaning in legacy media. It stands to reason, they’re businesses and they feed into their market’s bias to keep themselves afloat.

Trump has been on record, ie on camera many times saying it in no uncertain terms well before the election.

 

[MsMadamSecretary]

Sometimes medications older people are on can affect cognition even if they are not suffering from dementia. If they stop the medication cognition improves

Yeah a lot of drugs for the vascular and heart system particularly blood pressure reducing drugs can affect cognition etc. if blood isn't pumped to the brain as fast.

 

[Dollenganger]

I think we need not to have our heads in the sand and realise that this time Trump has an enormous mandate. We would be unwise not to believe him when he makes promises.

 

[Smashbox]

Since the media is now reporting on Trump ‘going after’ his ‘enemies’ which include Obama and Nancy Pelosi, what do you guys think this will actually mean in reality?

It’s quite frightening that the media are reporting on the next POTUS planning revenge as if that is a normal thing for them to do. Which is of course motivated by his narcissistic injury.

It is quite hilarious that you cheered it on for four years but would now be horrified they would perhaps get the same treatment done back to them.

 

[MsMadamSecretary]

I have only ever seen clips of him, and yes, due to algorithms based on people i follow and interact with on various SM, it will be selected clips. I’ve not read his book but he does seem to have a very old fashioned and chauvinistic view towards women’s roles. Does he have some unresolved anger towards his mother do you think?

He says it's his Roman Catholic coverted faith - he's for the process of reproduction and doesn't like antinatalism and childfree movements.

 

[Doc]

Trump has been on record, ie on camera many times saying it in no uncertain terms well before the election.

I wasn’t aware of that. I’ve just googled to see if I could find what you’re referring to and couldn’t (there’s a lot of Trump stuff to wade through ). Do you have a link at all please?