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I just found this comment on Reddit.
I worked in media for many years and, around 2012, gained one first-hand example of Brand's unpleasantness and, a little while later, heard a genuinely disturbing story.

The firsthand experience was during the 2012 Olympic Closing Ceremony at which Brand performed. He was consistently unpleasant and demeaning to staff, and getting particularly aggrivated whenever he was asked to stop smoking weed. He smoked weed pretty much constantly in the public areas of the large "green room" building, the only person to do so among a litany of celebrities in attendance, many famous for their rock and roll antics. This seemed odd for a man consistently boasting of his sobriety.

After the performance, I was approached by a colleague who said that Brand had left his dressing room in "a bit of a state." I went in to find that he had pissed in multiple receptacles and left them littered all over the room, despite having access to a loo very nearby.

That's clearly just gross and disrespectful. Far more disturbingly, just after working on the Olympics, I worked on another job at which a glamour model was hired for a small part. We all went out for drinks that evening, and after a few glasses, she started telling me about some of her celebrity hookups. She was a funny, clever woman, and they were largely hilarious anecdotes.

Then she said that she'd only had one experience she regretted. She'd spent the night with Brand and another woman and described the experience as "creepy". I asked what about it was creepy and she said "Well, for example, he insisted on calling us Holly and Jessica the entire time we were fucking." Holly and Jessica are the names of two ten-year old British girls who were abducted and murdered.

I mean what the actual?

I have worked with victims of rape & sexual assault, and alongside the police. Those specialist officers do a good job but it changed my view of whether I would report a rape or not if I’m honest.

Physical proof, ie a forensic examination to obtain DNA of a perpetrator has to be done quite soon after an assault and if you’ve washed/brushed your teeth/changed clothes then that window gets smaller - sperm in the vagina can be found up to 7 days later. Oral rape is even less time - often, women/victims of crime haven’t processed what’s happened or known where to go or what’s available within that timeframe. The other thing is that all a perpetrator has to claim is that the sex was consensual and any DNA evidence is meaningless (unless he claims only say oral and there’s evidence of other types of sex) and it becomes a he said/she said scenario and the victims life and phone etc are combed over in excruciating detail. In some cases, like we’ve seen in the media, previous partners and sexual habits are scrutinised. This can take years! And then 97% of the time the CPS declined to prosecute.

Tell me again women should always report. The system is fucked. Rape is practically legal.

He’s absolutely foul. The fact that he describes the allegations as baroque, which makes absolutely no sense just sums him up. Pseudo-intellectual word salad designed to make him appear clever when really he is just a clueless idiot narcissist.

What exactly makes them baroque, did the letter turn up with a violin and some Vivaldi.

I'm not a Ferne Cotton fan but she dated Watkins for less than a year I'm 2005, before the time his behaviour went significantly off the rails. They didn't live together. It seems to have morphed into "they were together for years, she must have known".
I can't imagine how horrible it must be to forever be linked to such a horrendous paedophile. People who'd known him since school didn't know. Why would she?

exhausted_mother said:

I have worked with victims of rape & sexual assault, and alongside the police. Those specialist officers do a good job but it changed my view of whether I would report a rape or not if I’m honest.

Physical proof, ie a forensic examination to obtain DNA of a perpetrator has to be done quite soon after an assault and if you’ve washed/brushed your teeth/changed clothes then that window gets smaller - sperm in the vagina can be found up to 7 days later. Oral rape is even less time - often, women/victims of crime haven’t processed what’s happened or known where to go or what’s available within that timeframe. The other thing is that all a perpetrator has to claim is that the sex was consensual and any DNA evidence is meaningless (unless he claims only say oral and there’s evidence of other types of sex) and it becomes a he said/she said scenario and the victims life and phone etc are combed over in excruciating detail. In some cases, like we’ve seen in the media, previous partners and sexual habits are scrutinised. This can take years! And then 97% of the time the CPS declined to prosecute.

Tell me again women should always report. The system is fucked. Rape is practically legal.

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Reading all the posts in the last thread from the ‘why didn’t they just go to the police’ brigade genuinely made me want to cry. It’s so damaging and disheartening for victims everywhere. All you have to do is some basic research and look at the statistics of why rape has the lowest conviction and reporting rate.

You are absolutely right, it is basically legal. I’m sure all these posters would feel very differently if it happened to them…

Hi all, I’m coming to Tattle for refuge from the absolute cesspit that is social media (Twitter/Insta/FB).

I’m a rape victim myself, I’m currently living with family as in between moving house. My family know I’m a rape victim and that despite reporting to the police, nothing came of it, the CPS declined to prosecute even though I had a text message (similar to Brands) with my rapist apologising for raping me.
However yesterday I had to listen to my family defending Russell and being all ‘innocent til proven guilty’.
I had to ask them - was I lying about my own experience then? My rapist never went to court. He was arrested but that’s it. So in their eyes then, is he innocent too? I literally cried all day. Family just apologised and said sorry, they didn’t think .

I’m absolutely sick and tired of it all. Why is it so hard to believe these women. Also, the ridiculous questions about this case on SM, even from celebs themselves asking:

1- ‘why now?’ - because there’s been an investigation by a team of journalists who heard the many many rumours and accusations… does it matter how long ago it was ? They built a case, due to rumours and accusations swirling for years. It was bound to all come out at some point.
2-‘why not go to the police ? Why go to the media?’ - for the many reasons already listed in this thread. Russell’s power, status, money, you can be in denial for years when you’ve been raped, you’re not exactly feeling your best self and probably don’t have the confidence/courage to talk as you feel so incredibly downtrodden, guilty, worthless. The process is long and gruelling and you’re treated as a criminal yourself. Given the CPS prosecution rate, I don’t blame people for talking to journalists instead, especially if they know more and more girls are coming forward. Safety in numbers comes to mind. And the girls were approached by the journos , not the other way round.
3- ‘we’ll he’s innocent til proven guilty’- yes in the courts, that’s the rules. But not in society, we can make up our own minds about a person. We all know someone who probably has nicked from the shops/ got in a fight & assaulted someone on a night out / stole money off someone/ texted whilst driving- Did all of those people get found guilty? Probably not! Does that make them innocent then? Absolutely not. It doesn’t erase what happened.

Honestly I’m fed up of being triggered and so tired of people excusing his behaviour.

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exhausted_mother said:

I have worked with victims of rape & sexual assault, and alongside the police. Those specialist officers do a good job but it changed my view of whether I would report a rape or not if I’m honest.

Physical proof, ie a forensic examination to obtain DNA of a perpetrator has to be done quite soon after an assault and if you’ve washed/brushed your teeth/changed clothes then that window gets smaller - sperm in the vagina can be found up to 7 days later. Oral rape is even less time - often, women/victims of crime haven’t processed what’s happened or known where to go or what’s available within that timeframe. The other thing is that all a perpetrator has to claim is that the sex was consensual and any DNA evidence is meaningless (unless he claims only say oral and there’s evidence of other types of sex) and it becomes a he said/she said scenario and the victims life and phone etc are combed over in excruciating detail. In some cases, like we’ve seen in the media, previous partners and sexual habits are scrutinised. This can take years! And then 97% of the time the CPS declined to prosecute.

Tell me again women should always report. The system is fucked. Rape is practically legal.

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I didn't report and the guilt placed on women who don't is immense. You end up feeling guilty for the possible other women your rapist has assaulted, like you're personally responsible for any rapes after yours. It's such a head fuck.
I'm really tired of the 'well she didn't go to the police did she' angle. Obv, in a perfect world crimes would all be dealt with and punishments faced (though in a perfect world rape wouldn't exist I suppose) but life is so much more multifaceted. The mental anguish, the (in my case) disassociation, the guilt ('what was I wearing', 'was I asking for it') that you go through, the feelings of disgust at your own body, the never wanting to talk to anyone ever let alone strange police officers. Traumatic situations are so layered. Its never as simple as 'oh well she didn't report'.

I think I must have become slightly desensitized because I don't find any of this shocking at all. I find it all quite predictable and unsurprising, especially the part about production companies pretty much letting their 'talent' have free reign to behave how they want. I suspect Russell's alledged behaviour isn't unusual, just more egregious and uncontrolled. For example, I've heard things about Steve Coogan over the years but reading between the lines he clearly had the self-control not to cross legal boundaries so blatently.

Today I have learnt that many believe if someone has sex without valid consent, even if force or violence is used, it is only classed as rape WHEN the police are told and a conviction has occurred. Until that point it is valid joke fodder and not even a big deal.
Jeesus christ. I think I've had enough internet today

I always find this chart helpful for people who question why the victims don’t go to the police, the rate of conviction for rape is a disgrace.

Imo he's a clever and dangerous individual. I think he's guilty. I think undoubtedly there will be many many more victims who never come forward. I think like his PA said there were many women happy to go along with it. That's fine. It's all about consent.

The dangerous part is he's reinvented himself from a sexual predator into some sort of demi god with a huge following . A wordsmith who can manipulate any situation.

ipiraka said:

Not a fan of him, and if he has done what he’s accused he deserved the criticism

but..

its interesting how they’re blowing up the exposé as they are, perhaps to make an example out of him considering how much he’s pissed off the establishment.

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nah its blowing up because he's raped numerous Women.

YES

hotsloth said:

He's innocent then isnt he. If the evidence couldnt convince a court then that is literally that. You dont get convicted just because some one says so, or you have flimsy evidence.

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My job involves working with victims of sexual violence and it's ghastly to see the rate of convictions, even where they've had evidence, because the courts need it to be 'beyond reasonable doubt'. And it's so hard to get evidence when the evidence of intent only exists in the assailant's head.

But even when there is evidence, that evidence is not always admissable in court. I've heard from rape victims who have had their rapist phone them and literally admit what they did and that they knew it was wrong/nonconsensual, then beg them not to get them sent down for it... but the confession is considered inadmissible in court because he didn't know it was being recorded/it wasn't recorded by the police/etc so it came down to a Not Guilty verdict Same goes for screenshots - not admissable, so if you don't have the same phone/app data from when it happened, it can't be submitted as evidence. To do that, they have to download your entire phone data - but I've also had cases involving years of violent abuse fully collapse because the police found one flirty message at the start of the relationship (prior to the physical/sexual assaults) so CPS decided it'd undermine the whole case, meaning they just dropped all the charges instead of taking it to court

The system fucking sucks. But even if you can't prove it legally, you can and absolutely should shame those who think that any predatory behaviour is okay.
Maybe you can't legally say he's a rapist but you sure can call Russell Brand a fucking creep for free

ishant said:

I was the 16 year old once, except I was 15 and the guy was in his 40s with a daughter my age. Saw nothing strange about it. He would get angry with me when his dick wouldn’t fit inside me (my body kept me safe in a way). I ran away from a hotel room after two months or so in that “relationship”.
These things never leave you. I’m in my mid 30s now and only about a decade in realising what have actually happened to me at the time. There’s just no way I could gone to the police now? And definitely not then.

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This comment has just made me feel like I should share my own experience....its quite long and I don't care, I'm not gonna be ambiguous to try and protect his identity, if someone reads this and figures out who the person is or who I am...so be it.

It starts at age 10, my parents want a bigger place, we do a council house swap with a mother and her 35yr old son who are living together in a 4 bed house, they swap with us and we move, they move to our old place which is next door to my grandparents (step grandparents, my dad is not my bio dad). So the place we moved to is a small village where everyone knows each others business. Get to know the kids my age and the day I move in we start getting told the 35yr old guy who lived there is a pedalo, that he was in a "relationship" with a 14yr old girl from the village. Well a few weeks later its confirmed to me to be true when I open the cupboard of my bedroom, used to be his room, see written on the wall inside the cupboard R×××××d loves ×××××. I was like wtf. Anyway years pass with the occasional pisstake that omg a pedalo used to sleep in ur room etc.
Fast forward 5 yrs, another new family move to the village, single mum with a daughter my age and a younger boy. I made friends with the daughter, turns out the people who lived in my house, its her Grandma and the guy is her uncle. She takes me to her grandma's house (my old house) one day about half an hr away from where I now live. The uncle is there. My life is a mess, my parents have split 2 yr before, my mum has moved out and moved about 2 hrs away with her 18 yr old boyfriend ( bear in mind, I'm 15 at this point) my stepdad has just kept us for the benefits, does nothing to support us, I'm starving constantly, dirty, and feel worthless....the uncle offers me a "job" cleaning his aivairy once a week for £5 a week. I jump at it, its a chance to finally have money to eat, my dad was so unbothered and lazy, he didn't even apply for us to get dinner tickets at secondary school, so I'd often go whole days with no food and even scavenged in bins at points cos I was weak with hunger, so to me £5 a week was a huge huge deal. So I start going after school, walking the journey, 1 hr there. It started almost immediately, he starts grooming me, saying he loves me, we should be boyfriend and girlfriend...then the sexual activity comes, always bjs, never any further than that and for that I am at least thankful. It goes on for about 1 and a half yrs, I genuinely thought I was in a relatuonship with this guy, I was a vulnerable child. I dunno how I broke free of it, one day I just stopped going, it had got to the point I was going daily after school and at weekends. I was giving him bjs every single time. He never "finished" ever. The truth when I look back is I think he was gay and he had been abusing a boy, he always used to talk about this boy he knew before we met and how they were such good mates and one day the boy just burnt down his aviary and he was gutted cos all his birds died and he had to build it all again. Looking back I think I knew why he always just wanted bjs, why he never finished and why that boy burnt down his aviary.
The worst of all this is that there were so so many adults who knew and done NOTHING to protect me...His mother who seen me in her house daily, my grandparents who seen me going in his house daily, my father who knew where I was going, I never hid it where I was and who I was with, all his extended family members who seen me in their house all the time and just accepted it as normal.
I have never reported it. I feel utterly sick at having just wrote all that down. There's so much more I could write, but that's all I can say right now.

countrybumpkin92 said:

He’s absolutely foul. The fact that he describes the allegations as baroque, which makes absolutely no sense just sums him up. Pseudo-intellectual word salad designed to make him appear clever when really he is just a clueless idiot narcissist.

What exactly makes them baroque, did the letter turn up with a violin and some Vivaldi.

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He thinks he's a dazzling wordsmith.

Fi scot said:

Riveting news to update Fearne Cotton has followed him again….Daily mail reported it and now she’s back!

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Fearne Cotton who dated Ian Watkins from The Lost Prophets?

Impeccable character reference, right there.

Tilly Kister said:

Never had a bad word to say about Simon Cowell has she? But then Brand never signed her pay cheques which may go some way to explaining the dichotomy.

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This is so bizarre. Dannii hasn’t released any statement recently, she spoke out at the time, years ago, because Russell made her very uncomfortable when she worked with him (so she is well placed to talk about her own experience). Why is she now being held accountable for not speaking out about Simon Cowell, based on a picture when he was much younger and Dannii Minogue wasn’t even there, and possibly hadn’t ever even met him?!? Why the fuck is it always the women that get the blame for this shit, all she ever was his colleague for a period of time. Also, why are you annoyed that she gave an interview years ago saying she thought RB was a pig… half of social media are up in arms about his accusers not speaking out at the time… Dannii spoke out at the time.

Twinkle6 said:

cant imagine the popcorn Katy has bought in prep for tonight

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I think it's raining now, Katy!

Eirawen said:

She does what she thinks is cool

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i mean, like most people do i suppose

it’s wild how much the RB “story” has flipped to: oh well this woman did this, and this woman said this. katherine ryan, fearne cotton, RB’s wife and sister in law, danni minogue for some reason, katy perry….. all somehow being used as diversion tactics when we should be talking about the “man” himself. the age old thing of why blame a man when you can blame a woman instead is still true. or even, why discuss a man’s crimes when you can just say “i don’t like her” about a woman instead. internalised misogyny is alive and well. how sad.