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It's good to know that while holding down a full-time job as an attorney, commuting nearly 4 hours a day, cooking, cleaning, caregiving, and keeping up with hobbies, AFE thinks I spend too much time on the Internet.

...Would now be a bad time to mention that the transcript for the last hearing is ready? I just sent over the payment and am awaiting the transcript file.

Modelled it and all!

The 10 stages of understanding Alice

1. Poor woman. How awful for a mum to be dumped for a younger model
2. She’s a bit mad but who wouldn’t be in the circumstances
3. Ok she’s cray cray but he cheated on her
4. Nope just cray cray
5. Hmm. you can’t blame him but he could have done it better
6. Nope he couldn’t have done it better
7. Fuck me what took him so long
8. She‘s an evil narcissist lying cunt
9. Save the E’s
10. Save Leon.

I just now read Ioan’s Reply Declaration and have a few thoughts.

- Keep in mind that the judge received hard copies of all these filings so he’s able to review them for tomorrow’s hearing.

- Ioan’s response shows that Alice has repeatedly violated the (Minute Order regarding the RFO dated July 13, 2023)

- Let’s count the times Alice has violated the court order based on this Reply, shall we?
* Not checking OurFamilyWizard (“OFW”) every 24 hours and not replying to messages within 24 hours. Ioan’s message to Alice on OFW has gone unread and unanswered since August 9 (an entire week).
* OFW messages must be “brief, peaceful, and child-focused.” I’m guessing since Ioan had to insist that his name be used that the messages Alice sent were none of those things.
* Therapy for the children had to “commence forthwith.” It did not.
* Elsie was not to be enrolled in a new school without Ioan’s consent. She was.
* No derogatory remarks shall be made, nor others allowed to make such remarks, either directly or indirectly to the children (who read her social media). Please see the entire internet as Exhibit A.
* And, of course, we know she blew the deadline in the court order for filing her financials and Side By Side Declaration.

- That’s SIX violations of just that one court order.

- We don’t even know if Ella has been enrolled in school and I think it’s not addressed in the Reply because Ioan doesn’t know either (Alice didn’t gloat about it on social media, which is the only way Ioan was able to find out that Elsie’s school had been changed).

- Yes, I am definitely ordering the transcript for tomorrow’s hearing if one is available!

Joint Statement of Issues - my thoughts after reading

• As a preliminary matter, YES! This filing is just as horrible as it looks. The bolded all-caps responses and myriad typos will tick off the clerk and the judge, not to mention the very cavalier effort made at “explaining” the issues. If I had paid this attorney $15,000 I would be screaming for a refund.

• Bernal claims that he is still reviewing the balance sheet “due to time limits.” This is the equivalent of “the dog ate my homework” and isn’t going to go over very well with the judge.

• The prenup: Despite Alice’s tweets to the contrary, the prenup is not being contested. In retrospect, this may be a smart move because at least under the prenup, she gets 10% of Ioan’s income. If she contested the prenup, she may well have gotten nothing at all if she lost, due to her horrible behavior, PA of the kids, and DVRO.

• Cash accounts: Bernal is basically rolling over here and saying the prenup controls the property division.

• Retirement accounts: Bernal claims a forensic accountant is not needed, but doesn’t say why. He desperately wants to avoid a forensic accountant going over Ioan and Alice’s financials. If Alice were telling the truth, she would welcome a forensic accountant going over the financial documents.

• Sale proceeds of the house: Bernal admits that Alice did receive some house proceeds (contrary to Alice’s claims) but he is leaving the issue of the remaining funds in the blocked account open for proof to be shown at trial. Given that the $750,000 is in the prenup, and he admitted above that the prenup is valid, this seems ridiculous.

• Business interests: Bernal is claiming that Alice doesn’t know the value of Fair Oaks Productions; this will be proved later at trial.

• Bernal brings up “other assets” which are already listed in Ioan’s balance sheet in his income and expense declaration. They are all in Ioan’s name, the balances were disclosed if available, and all were claimed as separate property on his balance sheet. This is a nothing burger.

• Notably, Bernal does not clear up the mystery Fidelity account #7694 which Alice claims is Ioan’s (and Ioan states he doesn’t have). Another issue for trial, I guess.

• Spousal support: Bernal doesn’t dispute that Alice has received spousal support thus far. Bernal says that possibly Alice’s support should be increased due to the marriage being a “long term marriage” mentioned in California Family Code Section 4320. First of all, prenups modify the legal factors under which spousal support is given, including statutes such as Family Code 4320 (which describes factors the court may consider when ordering spousal support). Secondly, okay Bernal, go ahead and bring up Family Code 4320. Please pay attention to subsection (i) [history of domestic violence and emotional distress caused by the domestic violence] and subsection (l) [the goal that the supported party shall be self-supporting within a reasonable period of time]. If Alice is arrested for violating the DVRO, also look at (m) [criminal conviction of an abusive spouse].

• Bernal is claiming that the industry strike doesn’t affect Ioan’s earning power—uh, that’s not how this works.

• Child support: Bernal doesn’t dispute that Ioan has paid child support. He just states that child support will be an issue for trial.

• Attorney fees: Bernal says Alice doesn’t want the child custody evaluation (even though she agreed to it per Ioan’s declaration) because it’s too expensive and the children apparently need more time in therapy before a custody evaluator is needed. As we know, Alice doesn’t want the children in therapy, so this is just an underhanded way to try to convince the judge to hold off on the custody evaluation.

• Of course, Bernal ends by getting in a request for $25,000 more in attorney fees if the parties go to trial.

• The typos are killing me but you’ve all already brought them up, so I will only say that this Statement is so unprofessional, it’s embarrassing.

Thank you to each and every one of you who donated to MS charities.

yesterday I clocked 6000 steps. That might seem pathetic to most of you - but a year ago I relapsed and was unable to walk at all. The MS society paid the neuro physio and I re-learned how to walk. Still not great on steps/stairs and sometimes I need my stick - but I couldn’t have done it without the MS charity’s help.

I consider her with that redeemed. was convinced she will bail.

Is our queen Andrea attending today’s proceedings???

I finally finished the index of Holy Court Documents! (Coincidentally on Ioan's birthday, haha.) It's linked below and also attached, so you can download it if you want.

The documents are listed by date, in descending order (most recent first, the initial divorce filing last). All the document titles are clickable links to their respective court filings. For those of us who have been here for a long time, there's a lot of new documents that have never been purchased at the beginning of the timeline, so there's new reading material.

The only documents listed are the "important" ones--there are many documents that are just printed forms, or proofs of service, or basic notices of hearing dates. Since I know what to look for, I weeded all that out, and only left the substantive documents.

As always, please let me know if you have trouble downloading anything, or if any links are broken. I'll be keeping this updated as documents are filed in the future. Thanks all.

Big transcript update, everyone! The transcript for this past Tuesday's hearing was supposed to be sent to me by March 20, well after the trial's end. However, I just got an email offering a "rough draft" which would be sent to me tomorrow evening for an additional cost. This very rarely happens so I'm going for it. Expect a transcript summary tomorrow evening Pacific Time, or very early Monday morning at latest!

Here's the second minute order. Ioan's request for Dr. Dupee to be appointed immediately as child custody evaluator has been granted.

Hey all, a new court order has been uploaded, regarding the children's schooling, therapy, and "derogatory communication" in their presence.

My legal friend did attempt to attend the hearings. I haven't said anything because they only gleaned so much as BW's hearing was essentially private and because of the minor child's attendance.

This narrative of BW wearing a white dress and heels is ridiculous. My friend saw them entering the courtroom. They said BW was wearing a white blouse, slacks, and flats. IG was wearing a dark colored suit. The mother and children did not look well dressed or presentable for court. Their opinion.

No bodyguard. Just two lawyers for BW and two for IG. My friend knows who they all are and says they're well-respected.

That's all for now. I just can't believe the insanity she's spewing and pitching to her minions. Why? To make BW look like a sexy beast trying to eat her children whole?

Stop it.

MOO.

ETA: my friend was away for the weekend and I finally just got a chance to speak to them last night.

Now that I've had a chance to closely read it, here are my thoughts regarding the financial income and expense declaration (the “Declaration”) which Ioan filed. Standard disclaimer, I am not a family lawyer and these are my opinions based on my review of publicly available court records. I will not have any calculation of support possibilities here; it depends on so many factors, including the prenuptial agreement, the disclosures on both forms (if Alice ever submits hers), and the parties’ behavior, that I really can’t speculate on that with any certainty.

OK, here goes. Doing bullet points for ease of reading.

• This Declaration is not just “Ioan’s word.” The income schedule attached to the Declaration has been prepared by an independent third party accounting firm (see Attachment 1). This means it is independently verified information based on evidence. No accountant or attorney is going to put their license on the line for Ioan and file anything less than the truth.

• Also, let’s clarify what this Declaration is, and is not. This Declaration is NOT a complete list of expenses—it simply shows how much money is available for support purposes. This is an important distinction because you will see that the Declaration form only asks for certain limited categories of expenses.

• These financial records submitted by Ioan are pretty much the most recent we can get. No outdated information here. The financial disclosures have an end date of July 27, 2023, which is very close to the filing deadline of August 3, 2023.

• Ioan’s wages are verified by a W-2 form produced by the Internal Revenue Service (the IRS is not going to lie for Ioan).

• There is an ATRO in place in this divorce, as there is in all California divorces. An ATRO is an Automatic Temporary Restraining Order that is automatically issued at the start of a divorce proceeding and prohibits parties from transferring, concealing, or disposing of any property without the written consent of the other party for the entire term of the divorce. There are exceptions such as paying attorney fees and paying for the “necessities of life.” Changing the beneficiaries of insurance policies is also forbidden.

• Alice’s “childhood money” isn’t listed in the schedule of assets and liabilities, so it either doesn’t exist or is money taken from the community property accounts. If it was taken after the divorce it is in violation of the ATRO.

• A quick note on California prenuptial agreements (“prenups” for short). I have prepared many and am a published author on the subject in statewide legal treatises. A prenup sets out what belongs to whom at the start of a marriage, and dictates how property will be treated during the marriage and upon dissolution. Support can also be addressed in a prenup. There are two kinds of support—spousal support and child support. A prenup can modify the default California laws on spousal support or deny it entirely. However, it is illegal to use a prenup to modify default laws on child support, since that is a court’s decision.

• I bring up the prenup because there were two exhibits to the prenup (his and hers) which showed the parties’ separate property (property acquired before marriage and which is considered separate property during the term of the marriage and afterward). The assets which Ioan is claiming as separate property were listed in his exhibit to the prenup—dated April 16, 2007. As you can see from the schedule of assets and liabilities, some assets (CNB #8962 and Halifax #3101) which Alice claims as her separate property were not listed in her the prenup and thus their characterization as her separate property is suspect. No mention of the “childhood money” in the exhibits either.

• The balance sheet lists assets and liabilities. These are listed without taking into account any adjustments that may be made later, such as Epstein/Watts credits, claims for misappropriating money, or claims for breach of fiduciary duty (in California, spouses have a fiduciary duty toward each other).

• The balance sheet’s assets listed are only those which Ioan knows about. There may be other accounts out there held by Alice, either openly or secretly. She hasn’t filed her income and expense declaration by the deadline so we can’t see what she is claiming as hers.

• The funds from the house sale are interesting. As I mentioned earlier, when one sells a house in the U.S., the money is paid by the buyer into an escrow account. No money can be distributed to anyone from the escrow company until “closing costs” are paid. Closing costs include real estate agent commissions, real estate taxes, various fees, and other agreed-upon distributions. It appears some of the attorney fees were paid out of escrow as closing costs. Again, this is hard evidence that attorney fees were paid by Ioan because they came out as closing costs before Ioan and Alice were credited with their share of the sale.

• Ioan paid the house downpayment of $750,000 out of his separate funds and he still needs to be credited for that, so whatever is in Alice’s column after closing costs are paid must still be debited by $750,000 when things are settled up. As you can see, this results in a negative number for Alice.

• IRA accounts are pretty much untouchable for use on expenses because in the U.S., you are hit with a penalty tax if you withdraw funds before age 59 1/2 (yes, fifty-nine-and-a-half). So don’t consider any IRA funds when you consider what funds the parties have to live on.

• Alice is claiming Ioan has a Fidelity account, which he denies. Interesting but no more details on this are listed in the document.

• Interestingly, the attorney Langlois was hired in May 2023. That makes sense because there’s no way this Declaration could have been put together in a short time.

• Note that it seems that the parties and the minor’s counsel have agreed to a custody evaluation, thank goodness (see the last page of the document).

That’s it for now. Sorry this is so long, these are just my thoughts as I read through the Declaration.

I just received a follow up message from my friend. I feel this is important to share.

The judge made a statement when he ruled. He said that his ruling was evidence based only and any statements from the Petitioner, or hearsay statements, that did NOT include evidence were disregarded. This is paraphrased, but only slightly. My friend said the judge was emphatic. Evidently there was a lot of evidence submitted that was irrefutable and damning. So this was a strictly evidence based ruling.

She didn't show. Their case is up next. It's all happening now.

I'll note that Alice had "technical difficulties" operating her camera, which took up the court's time at the start of the hearing.

I'm going to start my writeup of the summary as soon as I get home. The "you're all excellent attorneys, get this done without drama" spiel was said at the END of the entire hearing, plus it was said in the context of avoiding litigation abuse by a domestic violence perpetrator.

Gosh, it's amazing to read all the huge things that Neil missed in his Daily Mail story, isn't it?

ChampagneBox said:

Hmm well I guess it depends on the circumstances! But i am childfree so what do I know just not sure how having more children is helping the messy family situation. Whether he sees his existing kids or not, He still has a previous family, sometimes it comes across as starting again, forgetting your other family, a nice shiny new baby to start afresh with, without the emotional baggage their divorce has undoubtedly caused the children.

will read the wiki!

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I'm firmly of the belief that when one has left a relationship, especially an abusive one as we see here, one has the right to continue one's life regardless of how it "comes across" to anyone.

It's strange how people see adding on to a family as taking something away from the others. Love doesn't diminish, it multiplies.

In this case, the father spent hundreds of thousands in legal fees in his fight for joint custody, and even more paying for therapy and reunification sessions with him. However, Alice fought the joint custody every step of the way, and proclaimed online many times that the children wanted nothing to do with him. As a consequence, the children are alienated against their father to such a degree that he was unable to spend any time with them at all. Alice disrupted every therapy reunification session, even calling an ambulance on herself on one occasion to stop the session. His oldest child tried to get a five-year restraining order against him. He eventually settled on custody to minimize trauma to the children, so the court was never able to make a ruling on the issue.

I'm not going to blame him for wanting to start a family with his wife when all of his attempts to be present in his other children's lives have been thwarted and twisted against him. And if his second wife wants to be a mother, why should she put that on hold for the sake of an abuser? They need to live their lives. And it's my sincere hope that the kids one day realize what their mother has done and find their way back to their father.

I'm happy to give you a list of pertinent court documents to read regarding custody, if you're interested, since the court filing index is very long at this point.

Lonnng time lurker. I mean longgg. Since waaay back. It’s the only thread I read on Tattle & never bothered setting up an acc till now. And as there’s no rave thread for Alice, I’m forced to post this here.

I know how you all feel, however, I for one have been completely inspired by the glamorous Alice Evans. When my long term partner left me and moved out, I too was absolutely BEREFT. And when the kids stayed with him, I would come home from work, get into bed & stalk my exes and his colleagues socials for signs of a new relationship. I lost interest in everything & completely isolated myself from my own friends and all of our former friends. I felt such a failure at life.
When the children stayed with their dad weekends, I would open the wine, take a sleeping tablet and wake up with MAJOR fear reading the absolute gibberish I had sent to himself whilst under the influence. That’s about the same time as brave and honest Alice went public about her own divorce. I began following her on both Insta & Twitter and even exchanged some supportive DMs with her. Good on her speaking out! A kindred spirit!

The longer I followed the saga, the more invested I became…… and the more I looked at my own life and behaviour. I haven’t touched a drop of alcohol in 14 months. And while I take antidepressants, sleeping aids have become a thing of the past. I no longer need them! As on the nights my kids are in their dads, I go to netball & book club & for the past 5 months, I’ve also taken up boxfit. So I’m always ready for a good nights sleep! I’ve lost almost 3 stone, reconnected with friends & made some new ones along the way. I have a renewed zest for life & our children have benefited HUGELY from my new mindset. Last month, we went on our first holiday together sans dad & it was GLORIOUS. In August, they are going on another holiday with dad and my former inlaws (Who I still love and adore and regularly communicate with) Dad & I have a way to go in terms of a good relationship but we are civil & cordial and would never speak ill of each other to or in front of our children. Oh I’m sure I’ll feel some type of way when I eventually learn he has a new partner. But I understand he deserves happiness & fulfilment too. And I actually WANT that for the father of my children.
Anyway, all this to say,..
THANK YOU ALICE. All your privilege, and (former) beauty, wealth, linguistic skills & many years in the business and all you will be remembered for is as a cautionary tale. THANK YOU for reminding me that my children’s mental well-being comes first & foremost no matter what goes on between their father & I. THANK YOU for encouraging me to stop drunk dialling. THANK YOU for bringing awareness to the toll that years of eating shite, popping pills, drinking & ranting online takes on one’s belly (And neck ). And THANK YOU for reminding me of the importance of staying connected to friends…. and reality.

Respectfully,


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