Vegans and Ex-vegans

[oshare]

Still loads of great vegans though! Don't let them turn you off of it. Most of us are so normal

 

[DietGossip]

I don't know what it is about vegans but so many of them seem to think they're superior to all the non-vegans out there....annoys me so much!

Yeah it's the vocal majority of us on social media. Pretty much every vegan I know in real life are chill.

 

[caterday28]

i don't know if he fits the category but avantgarde vegan is my absolute favorite

I like his recipes but I find him a bit arrogant.

 

[boss_babe_detox]

Hoo boy, this was a ride. I can't believe Miles honestly, didn't know his gf was like that and from what I can tell from her insta she is absolutely batshit crazy and it seems she's totally pulled him in to all her shit. Not all her fault though, he must've been susceptible to this kind of bs already which I always somewhat has a suspcision of, that he held some pretty weird spiritual beliefs. But god, that poor woman Jil - legitimately feel very sorry for her. Constant ramblings about energy, vibrations, the "juice". Even all that is not so bad, but my absolute limit with new age bullshit is appeals to quantum physics, it grinds my gears to no end that this particular branch of physics has been co-opted by the new age movement for being "magic", and pop science in general really. Highly recommend watching Professor Dave's video on quantum mysticism if you're interested.

My absolute fave for vegan content atm is That Viet Vegan, she is healthy, normal, likes mock meat and korean food and is just been all around genuine and I highly respect her for not showing her child on social media.

Also sorry to disappoint anyone but it seems avantgardevegan and Simnett Nutrition are anti-vax as well :/

 

[Millennial Pink]

Kristen always had a bad attitude in general. I really don't care if she stays vegan or not, but she sees herself as so superior to others and she can't take criticism. Most of her videos are self-indulgent word salad. She's now eating a 'high-vibrational diet' whatever that is.

 

[DietGossip]

I was always surprised about the large amounts of high quality groceries he bought year round. I know you can prioritize and spend less on clothes or travel, etc., but you need to have a solid income to be that carefree about consuming several kilos of tropical fruit, avocados, and masses of nut butters on a daily basis.

I get that it was difficult for Miles to own up to his addiction while it was happening, but I'm still upset about the many ways in which he lied to his followers. He once spoke about how his life must look like a holiday to others, because he only showed himself lounging in the sun with Jil, eating lots of fruit, when in fact most moments of his days were filled with work (whatever that means... I have no idea what he actually does). But truthfully, according to his latest video, the moments he showed must have been the few ones in which he wasn't experiencing severe pain. So many things don't add up. The feedback under his video is extremely positive and supportive, but I feel that it will be difficult to really trust Miles after this. It's like he is wiping the slate clean with the admission of his chemical dependency, but actually he is not.

He's broken a lot of trust with people like us who maybe used to watch him back before all this. I wish him well, but I won't be going back to watching his content

 

[Mr.Mistoffelees]

I don't know if you guys had the displeasure of seeing Miles's Instagram Q&A, but there isn't a coherent sentence in sight. Run Miles before the "deep conversations" with your holistic girlfriend melt away what little is left of your brain.

 

[oshare]

Normal vegan people recs would be lovely. I used to follow quite a few, but so many of them ended up changing their content to stuff I wasn't interested in or disappearing...

I love Mina Rome, NikkiVegan, Veggiekins, East meets kitchen, Sarah's vegan kitchen, Gittemary Johansen, Good Eatings, Unnatural Vegan, Pickuplimes, Jess Beautician, Simnet Nutrition, sweet simple vegan...

You may not click with everybody, you can always check them out and see who you like. Probably forgetting some, but I think this is a good place to start.

 

[Frosty]

How about a general vegan YouTubers thread? To discuss all the vegans and ex vegans fighting each other?

John Venus is no longer vegan and now hunts but still sells his workout plan. Lmfao!! Freelee is pissed, lots of vegans are pissed.

So many never really were vegan else they wouldn't go from ethical vegan straight back to McDonald's fast food. They wanted a usp and a trend to jump on!!

Anyone else like vegan drama?

 

[notmindingmybusiness]

Anyone watched miles most recent video on pronouns and only fans? Huge yikes, I’ve finally unfollowed him. For people who are meant to care so much about animals I’m always shocked at the little regard and empathy for other humans. And what’s with the weird vegan to conservative/right leaning pipeline…

 

[Tea&Toast]

Anyone noticed that Jason of those vegan guys does this weird sniffing thing where he wrinkles his nose all the time. I find it really annoying!

paul’s last couple of vids are yet more naval gazing.Self absorbed arse!

Yes he’s an over reacting, irritable, defensive arse, he’s more than happy to take from subs with their Amazon wish list etc, which is very cheeky, but blocks people for the least little disagreement. He sounds like he smokes 80 a day, so no wonder he has a shadow on his lung, it was probably his bad attitude that got him sacked from his job.

On the other hand Jason is very likeable, he seems like a nice easygoing guy, but Paul is ruining the channel with his negative irritability that will just alienate subs. I also hate Paul’s awful pub singer voice I used to really like their channel, but Paul’s bad tempered berating and blocking of subs for the least little disagreement over covid etc has just turned me off and I’m double jabbed btw, he seems ungrateful and intolerant, acting like a miserable old nag. I feel sorry for Jason, Paul is obviously a domineering arse.

 

[caterday28]

I don't know, why, but I feel like Jil doesn't eat at all. Miles is always cooking only for himself and I, tbh, doubt, he eats all that he makes? Also justifying losing weight doesn't sit right with me, he actually looks hella malnourished.

He might eat all he makes, but it's a lot of high volume low calorie food and I do believe he over-exercises. As a young man with a substantial amount of muscle mass his caloric needs will be quite high!

 

[biscuitlife]

First time posting on this thread but I'm just so fucking mad and I need to vent about this. Bolsonaro is a fucking dictator who has brought our country to shit, these people are asking for military intervention because they think they are fighting an invisible communism ghost (as if we were living during the fucking cold war) and she's sharing it as if they were asking for freedom? Does she even know anything about the world outside of her bubble?
And by the way, poor people got paid to go to this protest because they have no jobs thanks to Bolsonaro' government. Yay, freedom!

 

[Lionsden]

... When watching the video, I thought Kratom was a prescription opioid. I just read a little bit about it, and it turns out that kratom is a fairly unresearched plant substance which has not been proven to be safe or effective for any medical purpose, though it has been used in traditional medicine. The effects only partially compare to those of opioids. This is congruent with his anti-vax stance and generally knowing better than scientists and medical professionals. I can't believe Miles' hubris led him into such a dangerous situation.

 

[aefterglow]

Oh wow, things sure have escalated since I’ve unfollowed Miles, by the sound of it. I unsubbed around the time Jill moved in, something about his new vibe began to rub me the wrong way, plus I couldn’t stand the lip-smacking noises (I’m a petty hoe, what can I say - clearly evidenced by needing to vent on a gossip forum ).

It’s just kinda sad, especially since he’s the original reason why I went vegan nearly 3 years ago. Ironically I was drawn to him because he was different from most other wacky vegan youtubers, like the Jills of the inter webs, if you will…

 

[niomizzzmart]

I was never on Facebook but I remember them because Essena O'Neill lived with them for a while. Not surprised by their political leanings, they were extremely wealthy and gave me culty vibes.

 

[Millennial Pink]

... When watching the video, I thought Kratom was a prescription opioid. I just read a little bit about it, and it turns out that kratom is a fairly unresearched plant substance which has not been proven to be safe or effective for any medical purpose, though it has been used in traditional medicine. The effects only partially compare to those of opioids. This is congruent with his anti-vax stance and generally knowing better than scientists and medical professionals. I can't believe Miles' hubris led him into such a dangerous situation.

Honestly, he's a fucking idiot. He made a YT following primarily by offering a (probably pseudo) educated view on vegan nutrition, then he pulls shit like this. He shouldn't have any kind of platform, he thinks he knows better but look where it gets him.

I know he has a nutrition qualification of some sort, does anyone know if it's even legit? It's not like he's a dietician.

 

[Lionsden]

Kristen Leo, no longer vegan...

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Wow. Reading this now. I can't believe she is making herself out to be the victim - of basically everything and everyone. She pretends to have been young, gullible, impressionable when she decided to become vegan, she must not have had any form of free will. I remember discovering Freelee's videos as well (I was already vegan), and she had a negative impression on me from the start. She and Durian Rider were just obnoxious people, vegan or not. The tone of Kristen's text is so disrespectful towards the vegan philosophy, trying to turn it into a joke to make her own actions less serious. It doesn't even make sense. If she really had to change her diet for health reasons (yeah, as if), she would not need to ridicule how she became vegan in the first place. She could still encourage everyone without health problems to eat plant based. But she needs to shit on the cause. And she's exaggerating and falsifying. Bonnie Rebecca did receive criticism and hate, but she also got a lot of support from people who were against veganism and celebrated her for her omnivore diet. I really can't take Kristen seriously, her behavior is way too immature and irrational.

 

[Writingonhere]

I think he is still very obsessed with food, I wonder how over his ED he actually is.

I feel like this is relevant to so many vegan youtubers! I also found veganism while recovering from an ED and I guess the restrictions it creates are appealing, but I was receiving pretty good care and found a healthy way to live vegan without my ED. I also have always had a strong aversion to dairy.

When I discovered vegan YouTube I had a massive relapse because most of the vegan youtubers I was watching were “in recovery” but really meant they had acknowledged their ED and were using veganism as a healthy but still restrictive lifestyle.

Anyone got any thoughts on That Vegan Couple? I like to see what they eat but find them a little hardcore.

 

[Millennial Pink]

It does feel like we're going backwards as a society. I think Miles is just an overprivileged, undereducated manchild. That gf of his doesn't help.

I think the only vegan youtuber I still watch is Nicole Whittle.