Unrest in Iran

[Onetwofour]

Where did I say that? Nowhere.

And nothing that comes from the American government is unquestioningly reported by any outlet other than Fox News. The double standards are the problem. No neutrality or care for actual facts, only bias and sensationalism.

The NYT is currently whitewashing a terrorist who tried to murder Jewish infants so I think they're as much rum as the rest of the press. Never mind their fawning obituary for the Ayatollah.

It's not a fawning obituary. It's factual. The obituary doesn't celebrate Khamenei but it's true that he played an important role in the geopolitics of the region and was able to maintain himself in power for decades even though he was a brutal and disliked leader, not saying it would be like saying Trump has no political instinct, doesn't play any role in geopolitics and hasn't changed the US just because I highly dislike him.

You are complaining that medias are biased not because you want a more neutral press but because you think they don't say what you want to hear - or not the way you want to hear it.

And no, medias are not publishing statements of dictators or autoritarian states as facts, they present them as statements. If you read articles you'll see they will bring contextual informations to let the reader choose if they can believe those statements or not.

I think total neutrality is anyway impossible. I don't know any medias - social medias included that offers that. The only thing anyone can do is using different sources to form an opinion - that will be anyway biased as our views on morality, politics and society impact the way we look at informations.

The obituary in question:

 

[IngressUK]

If it wasn't so serious, it would be almost funny how ridiculously slanted Western media coverage is.

The Guardian publishing a piece slandering Gail's bakery purely for being Jewish-founded and explicitly defending and implicitly encouraging Kristallnacht-style attacks on Jewish businesses tells you everything you need to know about the credibility and morality of the press.

Not that social media is any better, of course, considering someone on twitter blamed Pakistan bombing an Afghan hospital on Israel.

We're surrounded by lies and propaganda and integrity and truth seeking have gone completely out of the window. Its horrifying but I really don't know what can be done about it.

Before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, all "sides" of an issue will have people spreading biased and false information in their favour, but there's really no denying how much space and credibility is unduly afforded to one particular side in this issue (and others).

Can you imagine the reverse outrage if people went around targeting Islamic and Iranian businesses (and the individuals) that were supportive of the Khamenei regime?

The Guardian and BBC (in particular) would be overly condemning of that. Trotting out the predictable 'racism', 'Islamophobia', etc, etc.

However, when it comes to Jewish people, they are strangely supportive of it.

It is this kind of double standards that really pisses me off.

 

[Harlot O'Scara]

Can you imagine the reverse outrage if people went around targeting Islamic and Iranian businesses (and the individuals) that were supportive of the Khamenei regime?

The Guardian and BBC (in particular) would be overly condemning of that. Trotting out the predictable 'racism', 'Islamophobia', etc, etc.

However, when it comes to Jewish people, they are strangely supportive of it.

It is this kind of double standards that really pisses me off.

It's in the article itself, funnily enough. Not related to Iran, admittedly.

It condemns allegedly pro-Israel stickers at a Palestinian cafe but justifies antisemitic graffiti and broken windows at Gail's, dismissing them as "petty vandalism".

It also suggests that the mere presence of a Jewish business is "aggressive".

I'm more and more disgusted by people by the day.

 

[Harlot O'Scara]

It's not a fawning obituary. It's factual. The obituary doesn't celebrate Khamenei but it's true that he played an important role in the geopolitics of the region and was able to maintain himself in power for decades even though he was a brutal and disliked leader, not saying it would be like saying Trump has no political instinct, doesn't play any role in geopolitics and hasn't changed the US just because I highly dislike him.

You are complaining that medias are biased not because you want a more neutral press but because you think they don't say what you want to hear - or not the way you want to hear it.

And no, medias are not publishing statements of dictators or autoritarian states as facts, they present them as statements. If you read articles you'll see they will bring contextual informations to let the reader choose if they can believe those statements or not.

I think total neutrality is anyway impossible. I don't know any medias - social medias included that offers that. The only thing anyone can do is using different sources to form an opinion - that will be anyway biased as our views on morality, politics and society impact the way we look at informations.

The obituary in question:

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And the media says everything you want to hear so you won't stand for criticism of it.

 

[Onetwofour]

And the media says everything you want to hear so you won't stand for criticism of it.

Lol. No. That's your interpretation not at all what I said. Btw if you think social medias are less biased than mainstream medias, I think I have a bridge to sell you.

Also it's interesting that you think the BBC and the guardian are biased but not the Times, the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail or GB news.

 

[Bobby Chariot]

Good old Donald, liberating the Iranian people indeed

 

[thegirlscout]

It's not a fawning obituary. It's factual. The obituary doesn't celebrate Khamenei but it's true that he played an important role in the geopolitics of the region and was able to maintain himself in power for decades even though he was a brutal and disliked leader, not saying it would be like saying Trump has no political instinct, doesn't play any role in geopolitics and hasn't changed the US just because I highly dislike him.

You are complaining that medias are biased not because you want a more neutral press but because you think they don't say what you want to hear - or not the way you want to hear it.

And no, medias are not publishing statements of dictators or autoritarian states as facts, they present them as statements. If you read articles you'll see they will bring contextual informations to let the reader choose if they can believe those statements or not.

I think total neutrality is anyway impossible. I don't know any medias - social medias included that offers that. The only thing anyone can do is using different sources to form an opinion - that will be anyway biased as our views on morality, politics and society impact the way we look at informations.

The obituary in question:

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Is the criticism potentially due to them not going into the crimes he committed? The obituary does seem a bit scant on details of what he actually did.

 

[Onetwofour]

Is the criticism potentially due to them not going into the crimes he committed? The obituary does seem a bit scant on details of what he actually did.

I agree but it does mention the brutal repression of protests and an authoritarian governance. It's definitely not a fawning article. Saying that is misleading. You would think the NYT is celebrating him, which is not the case.

 

[Bobby Chariot]

Looks like "The Donald" folded @NeverEnough

 

[thegirlscout]

I’ve seen this talked about online but not in the Newspapers or the news or even on social media. Using child soldiers is diabolical.

 

[thegirlscout]

More and more protesters have been hanged. Hardly any outrage.

 

[Harlot O'Scara]

I’ve seen this talked about online but not in the Newspapers or the news or even on social media. Using child soldiers is diabolical.

They did the same in the Iran-Iraq war.

It's a propaganda tool as well. Puts children directly in the line of fire so they and their useful idiots in the West can keep banging their "Jews kill children" drum.

More and more protesters have been hanged. Hardly any outrage.

It's horrific. They executed a young man who was only 18, among numerous others. None of whom had committed a crime beyond wanting to be free.

 

[Ekathrina]

The Iranian authorities have got form for this. During the 1980-88 war with Iraq they ‘recruited’ or stole from poor villages boys as young as 8 or 9 and used them as human mine sweepers. They were issued with special flags and banners and plastic keys which they were told would be an instant ‘key to heaven’ if they got killed. Child soldiers were reportedly so common that the Iraqis had specially designated prisoner of war camps just for children.

 

[thegirlscout]

They did the same in the Iran-Iraq war.

It's a propaganda tool as well. Puts children directly in the line of fire so they and their useful idiots in the West can keep banging their "Jews kill children" drum.



It's horrific. They executed a young man who was only 18, among numerous others. None of whom had committed a crime beyond wanting to be free.

It’s horrible. Israel has killed children, there’s no debating that, but so has Iran, Hamas etc.

You only have to look online here to see people believing the propaganda from the IRGC about how they committed genius crimes or they were really Mossad agents. It’s depressing.

 

[thegirlscout]

The Iranian authorities have got form for this. During the 1980-88 war with Iraq they ‘recruited’ or stole from poor villages boys as young as 8 or 9 and used them as human mine sweepers. They were issued with special flags and banners and plastic keys which they were told would be an instant ‘key to heaven’ if they got killed. Child soldiers were reportedly so common that the Iraqis had specially designated prisoner of war camps just for children.

That’s so sad and depressing. Where is War Child in all this? I know Carey Mulligan is an ambassador. Why aren’t they speaking out?

 

[sam0206]

It’s horrible. Israel has killed children, there’s no debating that, but so has Iran, Hamas etc.

You only have to look online here to see people believing the propaganda from the IRGC about how they committed genius crimes or they were really Mossad agents. It’s depressing.

The question about that is though, why aren't israel facing the consequences as Iran and palestine are then? I can't speak for everyone on the free palestine movement but for me, it's the fact israel have committed war crime after war crime....on children and have had zero punishment for what they've done.

 

[Troutpout]

The question about that is though, why aren't israel facing the consequences as Iran and palestine are then? I can't speak for everyone on the free palestine movement but for me, it's the fact israel have committed war crime after war crime....on children and have had zero punishment for what they've done.

Totally agree with this. Why don’t we hear anything from the UN or are our media just not showing it. It’s disgusting what Israel are getting away with.

 

[sam0206]

Totally agree with this. Why don’t we hear anything from the UN or are our media just not showing it. It’s disgusting what Israel are getting away with.

100%. I know what hamas done was absolutely vile and I know Iran isn't a place that doesn't kill its citizens but it's so frustrating what Israel and now America are getting away with. And none of that has even been the reason for this war in the first place. Its one thing to say they've broke this law and that law but what's the point if they're never going to face any consequences? They've killed thousands of children, tortured them, done the most unimaginable things to them but it's always "oh but hamas" and now it's "oh but Iran have done xyz". It can be true that they're all evil but it's not right that no repercussions are inflicted on israel and America.

 

[Bobby Chariot]

Totally agree with this. Why don’t we hear anything from the UN or are our media just not showing it. It’s disgusting what Israel are getting away with.

The UN is now reduced to a talking shop sadly.
For the UN to pass a resolution a unanimous vote by member Nations is needed, the US have, in the past year either voted with the likes of Russia, North Korea, Israel & various tinpot dictatorships in Africa against resolutions, or abstained.

 

[thegirlscout]

Totally agree with this. Why don’t we hear anything from the UN or are our media just not showing it. It’s disgusting what Israel are getting away with.

100%. I know what hamas done was absolutely vile and I know Iran isn't a place that doesn't kill its citizens but it's so frustrating what Israel and now America are getting away with. And none of that has even been the reason for this war in the first place. Its one thing to say they've broke this law and that law but what's the point if they're never going to face any consequences? They've killed thousands of children, tortured them, done the most unimaginable things to them but it's always "oh but hamas" and now it's "oh but Iran have done xyz". It can be true that they're all evil but it's not right that no repercussions are inflicted on israel and America.

The UN has been anti Israel from the start. If the world was just Palestine, Israel, Iran and America would face consequences for their behaviour such as sanctions and being put before the international human rights counsel. However the latter will be difficult and basically a non starter and from the UK at least we have sanctions on parts of Iran and Israel. We don’t have sanction on America because if we did it was severely damage our trading, the £, our security (as we trade information), affect jobs, etc. The people who be harmed by the sanctions wouldn’t be Americans but everyday Brits just trying to get along in a cost of living crisis and that’s not fair to us.
What sort of repercussions do you want? Iran and Israel are bombed almost daily, innocent people are being killed and another generation is being damaged. I don’t think any sane person wants America to be bombed because it never hurts those in power, just innocent people. Israel’s actions have severely damaged the safety of Jews worldwide - almost every week there are marches that are dressed up as being ‘anti Zionist’ but are full of anti semitism. Look at the rise in anti semitism in the UK, the fire on Jewish ambulances, the terror attack at the synagogue.
So what’s the answer?