UK Politics & Brexit

[KM857]

Probably an unpopular opinion but what swung it for me was the tax increase for 80k+ earners. I was not going to vote for that. My husband works incredibly hard and spends 50% of his time away from the family to earn 90k a year, over 30k of which goes to tax and NI. That is an undeniably huge amount. No one is going to vote to pay more tax.

 

[LittleMy]

benefit fraud is a thing. Like it or not. Ask a DWP Fraud investigastor - its easy to do just put in an FOI

Or for ease look at the Fraud and Error stats for DWP at GOV.UK




I had a daughter who worked at McDonalds waiting to get her graduate job following her degree.

I know it’s a thing, I just queried the actual numbers because you hear so many railing off about people cheating the system but they never give actual figures and personally I don’t know of many who do receive benefits dishonestly.

Thanks for pointing me, I’ll take a look.

 

[clt1992]

It's true unfortunately. Thousands of people lost there jobs here a few years back when the oil price fell & any job vacancies in ANY line of work were applied for by 100s of people and the effects are still being felt today.

And people can’t travel a bit further out of the town for work no?

 

[Practically Perfect]

My other half lost his business that he had for over 20 years. He had a couple of months feeling sorry for himself, wouldn't claim benefit as he is a proud northern man.

He is a 40+ male living in a town with no jobs - but he found a job, not a good job, not a well paid job, he delivers kebabs 3 nights a week, volunteers and shovels tit if i ask him to. But he feels good that he earns something.

 

[Guacamole123]

I have worked for the government thanks, I’m well aware. we live in the arse end of the north of England, they looked for every job under the sun, and were only relying on universal credit for a short amount of time. If they’d been given the opportunity to work at McDonald’s, they would have. This is the problem with this country, everyone makes assumptions about everyone’s life. I hope no one in your family ever has to face poverty, because I’ve experienced it for the majority of my life.

 

[midnightrose]

This sums up everything:

 

[chnandlerbong]

And people can’t travel a bit further out of the town for work no?

And still get there children to school on time & pick them up? Or have to fork out for the extra child care? Pay the extra fuel or travel costs? All the while still paying all of there existing bills?

I dont think there is much point in continuing this conversation as we are obviously both on very different end of the scale of compassion for others

 

[jewelkitty]

You do realise the Home Secretary is of Ugandan-Indian descent?

I wouldn't brag about that, Priti Patel is a xenophoic, anti-Irish witch.

 

[sarcastic eyeballs]

So many small minded, judgemental conservatives in here. What happened to “we just don’t want to be called names”
God forbid any of you are EVER put in a position where you find yourself or family members in a state of poor health, including poor mental health. Baring in mind this is likely the case for people living in poverty- working for a pittance, or claiming benefits, because they have no other options!!!
Where is your compassion for the less fortunate?

 

[midnightrose]

So many small minded, judgemental conservatives in here. What happened to “we just don’t want to be called names”
God forbid any of you are EVER put in a position where you find yourself or family members in a state of poor health, including poor mental health. Baring in mind this is likely the case for people living in poverty- working for a pittance, or claiming benefits, because they have no other options!!!
Where is your compassion for the less fortunate?

Thank you A round of applause please for @sarcastic eyeballs

 

[Laur91]

Let's be honest, we are not great as a society nor human beings to take responsibility for ourselves and our actions, there simply must be some personal accountability held for certain situations?

If you're looking for a role in a specific area (which you've studied for) then is it not your responsibility to understand you may not be able to immediately find the ideal role in that industry in the 'arse end of nowhere' as it was put? Why is that the taxpayers/systems' responsibility to fund them whilst they wait for a graduate job in that area? That would be like doing a degree in Film Studies and moving to a remote town in the Lake District simply expecting to get a job as a Showrunner sometime soon?

Surely an element of common sense must come into it at some point?

So many small minded, judgemental conservatives in here. What happened to “we just don’t want to be called names”
God forbid any of you are EVER put in a position where you find yourself or family members in a state of poor health, including poor mental health. Baring in mind this is likely the case for people living in poverty- working for a pittance, or claiming benefits, because they have no other options!!!
Where is your compassion for the less fortunate?

It's very bold of you to assume that no-one who voted for Conservative has ever found themselves in a state of poor health before voting this time around?

I wouldn't brag about that, Priti Patel is a xenophoic, anti-Irish witch.

Bragging about her being from Ugandan-Indian descent? It wasn't a brag, merely a fact which argued the fact that apparently Tories want the 'dark faces' (as someone else so eloquently put it) out of the UK.

 

[Guacamole123]

Let's be honest, we are not great as a society nor human beings to take responsibility for ourselves and our actions, there simply must be some personal accountability held for certain situations?

If you're looking for a role in a specific area (which you've studied for) then is it not your responsibility to understand you may not be able to immediately find the ideal role in that industry in the 'arse end of nowhere' as it was put? Why is that the taxpayers/systems' responsibility to fund them whilst they wait for a graduate job in that area? That would be like doing a degree in Film Studies and moving to a remote town in the Lake District simply expecting to get a job as a Showrunner sometime soon?

Surely an element of common sense must come into it at some point?

I’m sorry but are you actually being serious???? My family member took a degree in the healthcare field, yet you’re still not guaranteed to get the first role you apply for. The area we live in faces high unemployment rates, you’re acting as if there’s loads of jobs out there. Sadly, in most parts of the country this just isn’t the case. You’re acting very entitled and privileged . I’ve seen my mother be made redundant from her public sector role. My own family had to move hundreds of miles away when thatchers regiment kicked in and all our mines were closed, leaving my family and many others in the region unemployed. The north east of England still remains deprived decades after due to this. Unemployment rates aren’t high because people are ‘lazy’ or not willing to travel for work. Our areas have little investment and therefore little job. We face an oversaturated job market which shows no hope of improving.

people have no choice but to rely on the government when the government doesn’t give a tit about them.

 

[Practically Perfect]

Never been a Tory, never voted Tory
Never called anyone names
Not rich
Not even well off
have lots of compassion

who's judging who?

 

[Laur91]

I’m sorry but are you actually being serious???? My family member took a degree in the healthcare field, yet you’re still not guaranteed to get the first role you apply for. The area we live in faces high unemployment rates, you’re acting as if there’s loads of jobs out there. Sadly, in most parts of the country this just isn’t the case. You’re acting very entitled and privileged . I’ve seen my mother be made redundant from her public sector role. My own family had to move hundreds of miles away when thatchers regiment kicked in and all our mines were closed, leaving my family and many others in the region unemployed. The north east of England still remains deprived decades after due to this. Unemployment rates aren’t high because people are ‘lazy’ or not willing to travel for work. Our areas have little investment and therefore little job. We face an oversaturated job market which shows no hope of improving.

I am being deadly serious because surely part of wanting to study a masters degree and achieving one is to understand your next steps afterwards? :/

There was no insinuation at all that it makes you ‘lazy’ but I am just struggling to understand the reasoning behind choosing to study for a degree that will ultimately leave you jobless for some time - enough to claim universal credit - at the end of it?

How would Labour’s plans to have given free education and cut Uni fees helped this at all? Would there not be more people claiming UC whilst they wait for a job that doesn’t exist in their local area?

i didnt even go to university so I’m definitely not entitled, just trying to understand the reasoning.

 

[Jm564]

Probably an unpopular opinion but what swung it for me was the tax increase for 80k+ earners. I was not going to vote for that. My husband works incredibly hard and spends 50% of his time away from the family to earn 90k a year, over 30k of which goes to tax and NI. That is an undeniably huge amount. No one is going to vote to pay more tax.

So he couldn’t pay £40 a month more tax?

I earn a third of what your husband earns and would happily pay that if less children were hungry and cold tonight.

 

[sarcastic eyeballs]

Let's be honest, we are not great as a society nor human beings to take responsibility for ourselves and our actions, there simply must be some personal accountability held for certain situations?

If you're looking for a role in a specific area (which you've studied for) then is it not your responsibility to understand you may not be able to immediately find the ideal role in that industry in the 'arse end of nowhere' as it was put? Why is that the taxpayers/systems' responsibility to fund them whilst they wait for a graduate job in that area? That would be like doing a degree in Film Studies and moving to a remote town in the Lake District simply expecting to get a job as a Showrunner sometime soon?

Surely an element of common sense must come into it at some point?



It's very bold of you to assume that no-one who voted for Conservative has ever found themselves in a state of poor health before voting this time around?



Bragging about her being from Ugandan-Indian descent? It wasn't a brag, merely a fact which argued the fact that apparently Tories want the 'dark faces' (as someone else so eloquently put it) out of the UK.

You’re clearly quite a clever lady. But you miss quoted me lovely. I was simply putting that towards the judgmental conservatives on this tattle post, not all conservatives, that would be rather embarrassing.
The majority have spoken and I respect that.

 

[Youtubegossip]

Same here, I voted Conservative because the Labour manifesto was merely a dream that promised a lot of freebies at an incredibly huge cost to our economy.

I think people thought ‘tax the rich an extra £20 a month - they can afford it!’ When the reality is increasing income tax would never have covered Corbyn’s plans - he was looking at needing an extra £83bn whereas Conservatives needed £20bn. It’s delusional to think taxing the ‘high-earners’ of this country would solve all the problems.

Labour made the huge mistake of underestimating how much Brexit and upholding our democracy meant to people, the swinging seats in the North have proved this. They thought offering freebies would win them an election and luckily the majority of the British public are smarter than to fall for that.

I also - selfishly - believe that if you work hard for your money you should be entitled to keep as much of it as you can in order to put it back into the economy. That’s how we thrive economically.

If it was simply a case of tax the richest people more to cover the poorer people. The richest people would just start banking offshore and getting expensive accountants it’s not that easy unfortunately

 

[Pinchme]

You’ve asked for proof a few times now and have been told the proof is very easy to find Here’s a list of things for you to search.....

Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

And yet when I say Corbyn is dangerous, people ask me why, and tell me he's lovely & caring... Yeah course he is.

Thanks for posting this.

 

[Guacamole123]

I am being deadly serious because surely part of wanting to study a masters degree and achieving one is to understand your next steps afterwards? :/

There was no insinuation at all that it makes you ‘lazy’ but I am just struggling to understand the reasoning behind choosing to study for a degree that will ultimately leave you jobless for some time - enough to claim universal credit - at the end of it?

How would Labour’s plans to have given free education and cut Uni fees helped this at all? Would there not be more people claiming UC whilst they wait for a job that doesn’t exist in their local area?

i didnt even go to university so I’m definitely not entitled, just trying to understand the reasoning.

There was jobs for their degree in their local area, you do understand you can’t just get a job right away though? They studied social work. Couldn’t undertake part time work during their studies due to intensive placement. They worked tirelessly to self fund their degree. They completed their studies and had a short gap between completing their degree and being having the right certification to be registered. I don’t think it’s that hard to understand?

free education allows more working class people to attend university. Young working class BAME men are the least likely to attend university due to being debt-adverse. Everyone should have the chance to go to university, no matter their background. Labours manifesto was backed my economists. We would have had a growing economy, and therefore more jobs for people. I’m bored of ignorance so I’m going to out of this thread.

 

[midnightrose]

And yet when I say Corbyn is dangerous, people ask me why, and tell me he's lovely & caring... Yeah course he is.

Thanks for posting this.

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet