UK General Election 2024 #4

[emm]

I’m at University, so I’ll leave it at that in terms of my age (over 18 of course) but it is a grim reality that I probably won’t be able to buy my own home. Housing prices going up through the roof, Landlords allowed to raise rent prices to ridiculous levels leading my age group to not be able to save up a sufficient deposit and when most of the social housing hasn’t been replenished either, it’s a dire situation. Any hope in a deposit for a house relies on what money I may inherit in the future which is insane. My deposit shouldn’t have to come from one of my loved ones dying but it’s what’s going to have to happen unfortunately, otherwise I will never own my own home. I will applaud Labour if they actively try to bring down housing prices and introduce laws preventing Landlords from raising prices to ridiculous levels.

I have (with shared ownership) my own flat, heavily helped by my parents. When I went to consult about the mortgage etc the mortgage advisor told us that the biggest "bank" for mortgages in the uk is parents (statistically not just her anecdote). Basically except for very very high earners buying without family help is impossible

 

[HelloStereo]

I literally just said...

Then what was your suggestion?

 

[Moley1]

I have explained this several times now and you still don't seem to understand that I did not say old people are selfish. I said, as a demographic, people over 60 are more likely to vote Tory, thus demonstrating that as a demographic they tend to vote for policies which promote self interest more than younger people do. It is statistical fact and not the same thing as me saying "old people are all selfish and evil". It doesn't mean that you, yourself, as an individual, are selfish or vote selfishly.

I'm honestly struggling to see how else to explain this.

You are using a demographic to infer that old people are more likely to vote Tory and the inference is because of self interest. You also used the example of one to infer that old people generally are selfish. Not once did I say you said they (we) were evil.

 

[pommobear]

You are using a demographic to infer that old people are more likely to vote Tory and the inference is because of self interest. You also used the example of one to infer that old people generally are selfish. Not once did I say you said they (we) were evil.

That is literally correct though. It's like me saying as a demographic people under 30 are more likely to have cockapoos.

 

[linzilou]

You are using a demographic to infer that old people are more likely to vote Tory and the inference is because of self interest. You also used the example of one to infer that old people generally are selfish. Not once did I say you said they (we) were evil.

i dont think its that deep

the inference is that if you are an "older" person that you are more likely to have assets, and therefor more incentive to conserve those assets by voting tory.

and when other people on this thread are older and have assest of their own to protect...well who knows. its not a negative thing, its just a fact.

politics is taught in school by the way, although not very well since my daughters teacher has been telling them that capitalism is a poltical party

 

[miss n thropy]

Look everyone, I hate to be that person, but can we all check that we are using inference and infer correctly and not instead of implication or imply.

It’s one of my pet hates. Sandra does it all the time.

I am guilty of many mistakes and typos myself and honestly if people point out grammatical errors I don’t mind.

(Just to add, as far as Sandra is concerned, names have been changed to protect the innocent.)

I’m going to get a lot of hate for this aren’t I?

 

[Merpedy]

I have to say it’s amusing how quickly the older gens get offended about simple statements but a lot of them are totally fine to call young people woke and lazy and whatever else and the reaction is often muted compared to the several pages we had of this

Anyway, re. Voting age: I’m not sure if classes on politics would do much. There’s plenty of people that vote the same way their parents vote or parrot the same things that their parents parrot (“last Labour government” is a popular one). Being younger won’t change that

Also don’t young demographics have lower engagement in politics and voting in general? I don’t think 16 year olds are going to overthrow anything

 

[HoGi]

Wow, I didn’t know this was a thing, not heard of it before. What is dependents pension and why do they have it and in such a large amount?

If someone is contributing to a pension and dies and they have children under 18 or under 23 and in full time education, they will often be paid a pension in addition to any spouse pension payable. The amount obviously depends on how much the pension was worth, our smallest is less than £1 a year, the largest nearly £20k a year.

 

[Rose28454]

The pension age keeps rising to the point where many average people think they won’t have the opportunity to retire

Anyway, the reality is that a lot of older people don’t seem to consider the younger generations or do so through the perspective of what matters to them and their experiences and opinions

I worked on the election and many of the older people said they realised change was needed for their children and grandchildren. I’m 70 and am worried about them not me and hubby and I both said if we had to pay a bit of tax to help the younger generation we would be happy to do so. It’s quite rude to think all older people don’t consider the younger ones. On the flip side the few people we had to turn away for not registering to vote were all under 30!

 

[Moth]

I have to say it’s amusing how quickly the older gens get offended about simple statements but a lot of them are totally fine to call young people woke and lazy and whatever else and the reaction is often muted compared to the several pages we had of this

I'd be interested if you could point to any posts by older people in this thread that have called young people "woke and lazy". On the other hand there is constant negative comment about the attitudes of older people and 'boomers'. Perhaps if everyone could try to stop generalising about any group of people we could get back a more nuanced and interesting discussion.

 

[Merpedy]

I'd be interested if you could point to any posts by older people in this thread that have called young people "woke and lazy". On the other hand there is constant negative comment about the attitudes of older people and 'boomers'. Perhaps if everyone could try to stop generalising about any group of people we could get back a more nuanced discussion.

Thing is people on this thread seem to have fairly similar opinions - though there has actually been that one Reform voter that did say young people are woke with a bunch of other word salad but people focused mostly on how out of touch/uninformed they were about Farage.

I think people need to stop thinking that whenever a generalisation is discussed it doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re a part of that generalisation. Yes there are plenty of old people that vote for the interest of other people too, it’s been recognised constantly in responses to other posters. I don’t think anyone here has said it and truly believes that there is no people at all that are old and not voting in their own interest

There’s plenty of young people that are also well informed when they vote and aren’t just following whatever their families have told them, but again you can make the generalisation that young people aren’t as informed and we don’t spend 5 pages discussing how “actually I was informed at their age” or whatever

 

[miss n thropy]

I worked on the election and many of the older people said they realised change was needed for their children and grandchildren. I’m 70 and am worried about them not me and hubby and I both said if we had to pay a bit of tax to help the younger generation we would be happy to do so. It’s quite rude to think all older people don’t consider the younger ones. On the flip side the few people we had to turn away for not registering to vote were all under 30!

did You have to turn anyone away for a lack of ID just out of interest?

 

[HelloStereo]

In come the resignations from David Cameron and Richard Holden.

 

[Knight of Galador]

Then what was your suggestion?

Well for a start there could be an increase in Capital Gains Tax and they could make changes to the Inheritance Tax to make it so the ultra rich can't avoid paying it. Then there is increased tax on the top 5% of earners which Starmer promised during his leadership campaign.

 

[HelloStereo]

Well for a start there could be an increase in Capital Gains Tax and they could make changes to the Inheritance Tax to make it so the ultra rich can't avoid paying it. Then there is increased tax on the top 5% of earners which Starmer promised during his leadership campaign.

Hopefully he considers these things

 

[Grillyguy]

On the topic of housing - as a leaseholder, service charge and ground rent is daylight robbery! Being charged for breathing is nuts and, turns out, insanely expensive!

 

[HelloStereo]

On the topic of housing - as a leaseholder, service charge and ground rent is daylight robbery! Being charged for breathing is nuts and, turns out, insanely expensive!

Leaseholds are so archaic.

 

[intheindustry]

Would I be happy for my 16yr old to vote, errr no. Unless children are taught about politics rather than what they see and read with clickbait and TikTok it’s a no from me.

 

[Ennui]

Would I be happy for my 16yr old to vote, errr no. Unless children are taught about politics rather than what they see and read with clickbait and TikTok it’s a no from me.

I understand this point of view but given the trajectory of elections over the last couple of decades I would say their parents and grandparents need the same lessons about clickbait and traditional media.

 

[intheindustry]

Even my sister rang me before going in to the polling station and said who would I vote for. She’s in her 30s. She said she didn’t understand politics. I told her that every party had a manifesto which she could have read for days before going to vote. So agree, there are tonnes of uneducated adults voting.
It’s just frustrating with teens where they tell you a story and you challenge it based on experience, wisdom, common sense and they are adamant it’s right because they saw it on YouTube. My husband always said opinions are like arseholrs, everyone has one, but it’s all down to evidence and facts.