I think the biggest difference with Thameslink and other train routes, is the stations are all close together, you don’t get big gaps longer than around 30 minutes between stations so it would generally be safer for that reason - station staff, quicker to remove yourself from a dangerous situation, different flow of people etc. If a train isn’t due to stop for an hour or more, there is more reason to deem that unsafe I believe.Thameslink has not become any less safe since going guardless years ago according to the stats.
So 5 hours is acceptable to travel only 61 miles. That’s what happened to me on Monday. Thanks Southern Rail.it’s definitely so frustrating that people don’t realise all of the work that goes on behind the scenes, and how difficult and complex it is to keep the railway running.
their “modernisation” techniques are useless. The way to “modernise” the railway is to actually spend money on infrastructure upgrades, but the politicians don’t want to hear that. The reason we have a “dinosaur” railway is because half of it is from the Victorian times and they don’t want to spend the money to improve it. They just want us to magically fit more trains in, and when the railways are at maximum capacity (because they want as many trains as possible to run), delays are inevitable because one person holding a train up in Euston because they’re having an argument with the British transport police can mess up the timetable in Edinburgh for the rest of the day.
I'm sure there was an underlying reason for that? Or are they just timetabling it as a massive waste of resource for a laugh?So 5 hours is acceptable to travel only 61 miles. That’s what happened to me on Monday. Thanks Southern Rail.
Broken down train at Hampden Park, couldn’t be moved until a fitter arrived as the train couldn’t be moved without him. Missed the connecting train to Gatwick. Told to get a train to Brighton, boarded the train, then told to get off as no driver was available. Waited for another train. At Brighton was informed by a worker that there may or maybe not a train to Gatwick, all depends if a driver turns up. Finally arrived at Gatwick 5hours after leaving Hastings. My family member works at Gatwick, doing nights for just above the minimum wage and relies on the rail network to get him there. His job is now hanging in the balance because of these strikes. I agree we do need inspectors on board but unfortunately ticket offices in rural and smaller towns will eventually go because of progress. Many workers in various industries have lost their jobs because of progress and many more will.I'm sure there was an underlying reason for that? Or are they just timetabling it as a massive waste of resource for a laugh?
I understand the views about 'some routes don't need staffing etc' but part of my job involves looking at the incident logs for the last 24 hours across the North of England and I can assure you the amount of stuff reported (never mind unreported!) Is eye opening. That is happening with sraffing presence reacting to it/reporting it so I can only imagine how much it will increase in a world where you essentially never see any frontline rail staff at all.
The points about non-frontline rail staff are totally valid but these debates always focus on frontline which is why I have focused on them. Start describing power box operation or tamper trains to a layman and you may aswell be speaking Esparanto.
In all honesty this government doesn’t give a damn about every day working people. They’re lining their own pockets whilst they can because when we get to vote, they will not be in power anymore. They are not willing to meet up with any of the unions to negotiate deals. Unfortunately Mick Lynch (in my opinion) doesn’t come across to well on tv.Goverment admits it would have been cheaper to negotiate a settlement months ago, also Transport Minister claims vaguely that modernisation plans would 'pay for themselves' yet the two pro modernisation experts they had at the committee wouldn't be drawn on any figures for that: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64317725
Why? The teachers strike is pulling focus big time.1st and 3rd of Feb they're back on strike.
Ffs. Don’t they care that people are losing money and jobs by not being able to go to work. How bloody much are they asking for. Everyone isFour more just announced for next month. More WFH for me.
Ffs. Don’t they care that people are losing money and jobs by not being able to go to work. How bloody much are they asking for. Everyone is suffering at the moment because of the price rises.
They’re also losing money and jobs due to no payrises and redundancies.Ffs. Don’t they care that people are losing money and jobs by not being able to go to work. How bloody much are they asking for. Everyone is
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Ignoring the H&S changes, they're trying to buy out a lot of current terms and conditions which costs moneyFfs. Don’t they care that people are losing money and jobs by not being able to go to work. How bloody much are they asking for. Everyone is
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My family member who works at the airport all night doing a 12 hour shift travels 61 miles each way to get to work and home, sometimes, mostly Sundays it takes him 3+ plus hours to get home. He works weekends too. He doesn’t whine about it he just gets on with it. He does 4 nights on 4 nights off. He knows the train journey can be erratic so he leaves early to compensate for that. He’s also paid to spend 4 nights in a hotel nearer to the airport when the strikes are on. So yes it’s fine that he will more than likely lose his job this time as he has had disciplinary action taken against him for being absent after being told that he knew what the journey would be like before he took the job on. What he didn’t know was that there would be rail strikes. So yes, I will be angry about these strikes.They’re also losing money and jobs due to no payrises and redundancies.
I mean, they have the right to withdraw their labour, if their jobs are so important to other’s livelihoods they should be compensated for it.
Also it’s not really about the money at this point. Some of the terms and conditions changes that come with their pay deal are ridiculous.
For example they want to reduce the rest time between shifts from 12 hours to nine hours. Bear in mind most people (who aren’t drivers) commute into London as they can’t afford to live there on 25k a year, and so with that reduction of break time between shifts, by the time they get home, have some food and get ready for bed, they have to be up and getting ready for their next shift in five hours.
Another one is that they want to enforce forced weekend overtime at less than 48 hours notice if they’re understaffed. So on the odd occasion where staff do get a weekend off, they still can’t make plans or have any form of social life.
If it’s so important to people that they get to work then they can find another method of transportation, or put pressure on the government to actually come up with a fair negotiation
He knew that was what he was signing up for when he started thoMy family member who works at the airport all night doing a 12 hour shift travels 61 miles each way to get to work and home, sometimes, mostly Sundays it takes him 3+ plus hours to get home. He works weekends too. He doesn’t whine about it he just gets on with it. He does 4 nights on 4 nights off. He knows the train journey can be erratic so he leaves early to compensate for that. He’s also paid to spend 4 nights in a hotel nearer to the airport when the strikes are on. So yes it’s fine that he will more than likely lose his job this time as he has had disciplinary action taken against him for being absent after being told that he knew what the journey would be like before he took the job on. What he didn’t know was that there would be rail strikes. So yes, I will be angry about these strikes.
He would do his best. They are changing his shift times actually and he’s accepted it. It makes it harder for him but he’s accepted it. Moving him to an airport 90miles away wouldn’t happen because his company doesn’t operate at an airport that would be that far away. If he couldn’t get a train in then he couldn’t get to work which is exactly my point. Yes he knew that when he signed up and he accepted it because he wanted to work and because of his disability there are not any jobs in our local area that he could cope with.He knew that was what he was signing up for when he started tho
What if they moved him somewhere that was 90 miles each way, extending his commute, or changed his pattern to one on one off or his time off to only 9hrs rest or to start before he could get a train in for?
Would he just accept it...
That doesn't mean people rejecting this deal isn't a valid decision. Most of them would take the straight pay rise, even with a few conditions attached but the government has gotten greedy. If you take the time to properly read through what has been offered to the RMT conditions wise you will see agreeing that deal will essentially see thousands of people lose their jobs in the near future. Why would anyone vote for that?My family member who works at the airport all night doing a 12 hour shift travels 61 miles each way to get to work and home, sometimes, mostly Sundays it takes him 3+ plus hours to get home. He works weekends too. He doesn’t whine about it he just gets on with it. He does 4 nights on 4 nights off. He knows the train journey can be erratic so he leaves early to compensate for that. He’s also paid to spend 4 nights in a hotel nearer to the airport when the strikes are on. So yes it’s fine that he will more than likely lose his job this time as he has had disciplinary action taken against him for being absent after being told that he knew what the journey would be like before he took the job on. What he didn’t know was that there would be rail strikes. So yes, I will be angry about these strikes.
Just because your family member is okay with being exploited by his employer, doesn’t mean that everyone else should be.My family member who works at the airport all night doing a 12 hour shift travels 61 miles each way to get to work and home, sometimes, mostly Sundays it takes him 3+ plus hours to get home. He works weekends too. He doesn’t whine about it he just gets on with it. He does 4 nights on 4 nights off. He knows the train journey can be erratic so he leaves early to compensate for that. He’s also paid to spend 4 nights in a hotel nearer to the airport when the strikes are on. So yes it’s fine that he will more than likely lose his job this time as he has had disciplinary action taken against him for being absent after being told that he knew what the journey would be like before he took the job on. What he didn’t know was that there would be rail strikes. So yes, I will be angry about these strikes.
Why are the public being angry with the wrong people?Just because your family member is okay with being exploited by his employer, doesn’t mean that everyone else should be.
I don’t know why you’re literally advocating for peoples employment rights to be taken away.
Your family members employer sounds awful; disciplinary because he can’t get there? Why can’t they just find alternative shifts and get someone to cover his? Train strikes give plenty of notice to allow that to happen.
You’re being angry at the wrong people here. You should be angry at the employer that’s exploiting him in that way.
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