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Sorry, I've got to speak up for him on the biscuits - Duchy Originals is a separate company from the Duchy of Cornwall and all the profits go to charity.
 
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Politics is fascinating! and frustrating, and complicated!

I love the discussion about polls and booing the Queen. Its not really about the right to protest,
the poster isnt discussing the merits of the monarchy, they are just saying, by booing the Queen, those doing so, presumably republicans, have scored an own goal, because it looks so rude. And its the kind of media clip that will be used in years to come, by the monarchists to discredit the republicans!

I think there will be a referendum in Scotland, sooner than the next 10-50 years. because public opinion is going to call for it. But I have no idea exactly how it is going to come about!
And you think Brexit is going to be anything else than a massive failure?
England is in a total mess at the moment. petrol shortages, Lorry drivers shortages, Stretched NHS, Social and elderly care in chaos, cos of lack of funding and lack of staff. Pigs being put down because we dont have enough slaughtermen. huge gaps on supermarket shelves..... let alone housing issues, the issues around Northern Ireland, the issues with fishing, issues with free movement, with people having to jump through all kinds of issue to visit Europe for holidays, and for work, let alone climate issues....... Oh and I forgot to mention Covid!!

OK I didnt want to leave the EU, but did think that somehow the politicians and people would make something positive out of it....but....I cant see a single positive on the horizon at the moment! And now with Brexit, I cant leave and go and live anywhere else!!!
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@Milliemoo99
Oh it’s most definitely a massive failure at the moment. Quite shocking to be honest. You wouldn’t think such miss-management is even possible with so many advisers and experts. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that people looking back in 50 years will evaluate the situation the same way.
You never know what the future brings and there is always the chance for the situation to improve and even surpass the past. I certainly hope this will happen for the UK and it’s citizens even if it will be a blow to the EU.
 
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Yes. So do I. I voted remain but I still have to live here, as do my children for the foreseeable, so I'd rather it was a success. I dontvtbinknthe Monarchy will make a difference one way or another in relation to that in Scotland. I would think its way down the list when people are thinking about voting yes or no in a potential referendum.

Problem is, it doesn't matter how terrible a king he might make. It doesn't matter if Prince George grows up to be an axe murderer. They will still be King, whether we like it or not!
 
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The HRHs were given to William‘s future children before the birth of Prince George, because at that point they didn’t know if the first born would be male or female and legislation had just been introduced removing the discrimination surrounding women succeeding to the throne. If that legislation came in without the amended Letters Patent and if W&Cs firstborn had been female, she would have been Heir to the Throne but styled and titled Lady, whereas her younger brother would be behind her in the LoS but styled and titled Prince. (Under the 1917 letters patent, only the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales would be a Prince. All others would be just Lord or Lady)

I think people would have been more upset/offended by that than by the fact that all W&Cs children are Prince/Princess, so I think the Queen was right to do it. She didn’t need to do it for Harry’s potential future children as there was no discrimination inherent in their styles and titles (They would ALL be Lord/Lady, as great grandchildren of the Monarch, and then they ALL would become Prince/Princess once Charles became King).
 
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Problem is, it doesn't matter how terrible a king he might make. It doesn't matter if Prince George grows up to be an axe murderer. They will still be King, whether we like it or not!
Well that's not quite true. Read a bit about Charles the First and James the Second.
 
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I can't believe how archaic all the titles stuff is, especially the bowing and scraping it entails. It really needs to go, nobody should be curtseying and bowing in this day and age.
 
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I can't believe how archaic all the titles stuff is, especially the bowing and scraping it entails. It really needs to go, nobody should be curtseying and bowing in this day and age.
I am not so sure there are actual rules about bowing. More a guideline that if you choose to do so that’s the right way/order. No one has to bow to the Queen (or the others) and I think it’s 50/50 that people choose to or not to. The inside family dynamic is different. Everyone could just decide not to do it. It’s not as if they would be put into the tower. On the other hand, if you subscribe to the idea of being a royal family it’s pretty natural to also subscribe to the idea of a hierarchy and bowing. If you start cutting away all those outdated quirks you pretty quickly arrive at a massive question mark as to why you have them at all. That’s a problem if you try to justify it (not that that isn’t hard enough).

@Mairag thanks for explaining it so well. I think even without the underlying implications, H&M were way out of line to whine about that. The title doesn’t bring any of the benefits they wanted people to believe. Their children would always have been only in the shadow and pushed to find jobs and get their own homes. They are the Peter, Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie, James and Louise of the next generation. Non of them hold titles but the York’s (and James, but he is also no Prince) and the consensus is that it’s ridiculous they have it and that PA was a entitled, jealous prick to even ask. They will get a title when Charles becomes king (IF that happens). That’s surely soo Lyn enough for two children who will probably still be teenagers when they are not the grandchildren of a reigning monarch anymore but only niece and nephew.
 
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The thing I’ve never understood about their moaning about needing titles is they said it was so the kids had protection. Would they not have had the same protection as them whilst with them?
 
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Well that's not quite true. Read a bit about Charles the First and James the Second.
They were absolute monarchs though. There is mot the same thing at stake, and we also have a huge industry around the Royals, so all the sycophants in the press, the Royal Reporters the Royal biographers etc will do their best to minimise whatever they do. We've seen that with Andrew, where associating with paedophiles and other dodgy people is seen as the equivalent behaviour to Harry being a bit of a twat and moaning about his family.
 
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I can well believe it’s true.
What qualifications does she have for a documentary like this? She has servants and nannies, the royal kids go to the best schools in the country and then walk in to the university of their choice irrespective of how thick they are. Absolute bollocks.
 
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Sort of makes sense to me? Early Childhood is Kate’s big focus at the moment. Plus Charles has been involved in a few environmental documentaries, as well as stuff to do with the Princes Trust and Poundbury etc.
 
I don't think anything will come of this whole Prince Andrew thing. The rich and powerful rarely get their just desserts.
 
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' I know everything about him' says Sarah Ferguson. I bet she does! Explains why she still lives like she is still married to him.
She more than knows about him, she’s up to her bloody neck in it.


“The former royal has gone through some notoriously public issues with financial debt, including owing her former personal assistant, Johnny O’Sullivan over $100,000 in salary. With no way to pay off that enormous sum promptly, she turned to Epstein to help settle the issue. As a businessman, he restructured her debt, got O’Sullivan to agree to a $20,000 settlement and Epstein paid off her tab. To make matters even more sinister, this entire deal was arranged by Ferguson’s ex, Prince Andrew.”
 
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Sort of makes sense to me? Early Childhood is Kate’s big focus at the moment. Plus Charles has been involved in a few environmental documentaries, as well as stuff to do with the Princes Trust and Poundbury etc.
Prince Charles also just signed an Amazon Prime video deal to make exclusive content for them. I don't know, I think they should avoid giving people the fodder to draw comparisons between themselves and the Sussexes because from the outside it's starting too look like they are in a petty rivalry.

' I know everything about him' says Sarah Ferguson. I bet she does! Explains why she still lives like she is still married to him.
I think they will re-marry at some point.
 
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The thing I’ve never understood about their moaning about needing titles is they said it was so the kids had protection. Would they not have had the same protection as them whilst with them?
Extended members of the royal family do not have automatic right to police security, it is a decision made with the family, Home Office and Metropolitan police. The would imagine if you have a title then you might have security when you younger which could be what they are hinting at but it’s never fully explained.

She could have just amended it that the first born, regardless of sex, was made HRH?
 
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