The Moscow/Idaho Murders #4

[AimlessShameless]

Why would the prosecution feel the need to seal anything? Its like all this nonsense with How the DNA was acquired, the Defense had to push the prosecution to release their evidence, so much so the judge had to order it.

I think BK is guilty but its making the prosecution look very strange in their approach.

I think the gag order all stems from how they acquired the DNA, in that it was done in a non legit way which was then the only route to BK and without this they had no suspect.

So because they are thin ice on this they are keeping everything they can gagged for fear that it will then all unravel and jeopardise the whole case.

It will be interesting if they have got this through non legit methods, what this means for general citizens and what the FBI can effectively probe into.

I'm still on the fence with BK being solely responsible for this and still not convinced that Brent K had nothing to do with it but without any clear evidence apart from the touch DNA nothing makes sense at the moment. Hopefully the trial will be in the public domain to allow this "watertight evidence" to prove that it was solely BK who was responsible, as I would not want to be a juror making a death penalty decision on just this.

 

[Banshee]

Was that confirmed though? What if a juror requested to see it?
I know there's photos/ videos etc. But to stand and see what the perpetrator did and to see what the victims saw is quite pivotal is it not? For eg, with DM.... I'd want to stand where she stood and saw the perp, what exactly could she see etc. It seems quite crazy that they allowed this. Iv always felt the house was a witness and a 'character' (for Want of a better word) in this case. I think there's a lot of voyeuristic aspects to the case too, I feel it was easy for the perp to watch and wait and its a shame the jury couldn't have stepped into the area and seen and felt it for themselves.

Jurors can't request to see the scene in Idaho. They would only have gone there if the prosecution or defence wanted to take them there. Both have said they don't want to do that, so the scene was released.

 

[LasVegas702]

The FBI is done at the house now.

 

[Boogs]

Yes it was previously reported that his phone was switched off for a number of hours which covered the time of the murders. The defence are doing their job by introducing doubt about his guilt but from what I know so far I do think he did this.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

You're welcome. I'm American. I usually follow civil cases only. This is my first time following a criminal case or true crime case. So, it's a bit of a learning curve for me. But I watch a lot of EDB, Lawyer You Know and Andrea Burkhart and some other things to try to keep up . But I got interested in this case when people were saying they think that he is innocent. I was like why do that they think that.

Oh yeah got that gag order but they can talk to the media but only about what is in those court documents and no more from what I understand. haha. Both sides are clearly hiding behind the gag order and I can't really blame them , I would too. They have so much work to do. Anne Taylor and Jay Lodgson had another death penalty case that they were working on while they are working on Bk's case. If you look at the court documents, most of the time the assistant prosecutor for the state is filing those documents and signing them lately instead of Bill Thompson. Bill Thompson has an election position which is up for election in Nov 2024. So Bill will have to decide if he is going to run for reelection in Nov 2024 or not. I think that is another reason why he is probably asked for the trial in the summer of 2024 but I don't think that it will happen during that time frame. imo.

I want to hear that 911 call too. I hope that it's played during the trial if there is ever a trial.

I posted this article because it has some information in it that I haven't heard before. But also someone online talked about how they heard that the sheath was found near the dumpster on the ground near the 1122 King rd. but it was found in the house. But this person is wondering what is going on with the way the sheath was found. the state explains it in different ways in different documents. it's weird and even the Washington State search warrant for BK's apartment it's weird there too.

Sometimes 911 calls are released by the police. I suspect there's something on that call that they dont want the public to hear, maybe its graphic, maybe it gives away something ('Dylan saw a man in the house and thought she dreamed it!) or something else ('Maddie has been getting weird messages from this bloke').

Unless its played at trial then I doubt we will hear it.

 

[Tryger88]

That's sad but not sure why she needs to share private family matters in public, it has nothing to do with the murders.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

NOTICE OF DEFENDANT’S SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO STATE’S ALIBI DEMAND

So BK submitted his alibi defense and the defense team has a CSLI Expert that looked into BK's cell phone and they are basically saying that BK wasn't in the area of the 1122 King Rd house at the time of the crime and that he was southwest of Pullman WA.

I honestly think that comes across as a pretty weak defence. 'I was out stargazing' hmmmmmm

I'll reserve my judgement for when this missing evidence comes to light (the cell site stuff)

 

[AimlessShameless]

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I see that this will air this Wednesday in the UK.

So basically Zara travels to Moscow. She talks about how SM picks up on the case and it goes viral. (Shows short clips of various creators including dripdrop) She meets JLR investigates, and follows him around Moscow , interspersed with news clips. She replays Kaylee's last videos and talks about connecting with her.

Spoke to one of X and Es friends who is in the local media and talked about the pain and how they were /are scared. Because the police were not revealing stuff it lead to the rise of online sleuthing particularly as a result of the first MPD news conference.

Talked to Bullhorn Betty about how she calls people out on her channel. Moved on to the Gabby Petito case and how this was solved due to web sleuthers. How they go through everything including victims SM

Spoke to John Webb who disclosed the grubtruck video, didn't realise how fast the video would spread. Spoke to Joe at the grubtruck and how people now film outside of it and how idiots like JLR post outside it and how they are not helping with solving the case and just trying to dramatise. They then talk about hoodie guy and how his house and family were tracked down. (It is not a game of clue).

"It's about putting criminals on notice!" Due to what JLR and others do. They will not stop until they find stuff out, and if you don't talk to them it "gets bad in cyberspace" - so basically confirming how he and others harass those around the victims.

Talks about all the calls to Jack and how they (sm warriors) have then hunted him down and how MPD then had to stop the rumours. Comments on how Jack, hoodie guy, D&B all refuse to talk to the media.

D&B have "chosen" to be public figures by posting on sm in the first place.

Talked to rev Donna seraphina and showed other mediums posts. Donna alleged the killer was the son of a baker which then resulted in harassment of bakers in Moscow.
Visited a baker who then showed the harassment posts they then got including how his son was a killer (he had no son!).

Felt it's a vicious cycle of watching sm content even if it is outlandish. Basically if it gets caught up in the algorithm it goes viral and that encourages more.

Destiny wolburn talked about live streaming the police conferences and how the newspaper she said she was affiliated to did not know her, so lying to get closer to the action. Talked about the backlash she received including death threats.

Finally mention goncalves family. Then it moves to bk arrest press conference and how not a single sleuther had named him before his arrest. How it will then lead to peace.... And then it got worse and sends sm sleuthers into overdrive and question the investigation. Brent now mentioned and how the sleuths try to link them including JLR.

Z talks to Darren dunkin (Brent's best friend) about how they need to stop talking about him and how his legacy is tarnished. Z then questions JLRs motivation (JLR had a criminal record and now wants redemption) and no such thing as innocent until proven guilty so your guilty until you prove otherwise.

Back to destiny(outside 1122 king) who said she knew K&m but then admitted it was a lie but that she connects to them (it's like watching people on TV). And how she's met a community online that helps each other.

Finishes with, I'm not judging but they are exploiting for views but there is a demand so you can't blame them.

 

[LasVegas702]

Neither the defence or the prosecution want to do a juror walk through, so they wouldn't see it even if it was still standing.

that's true and the prosecution of this case said in an email the following

The prosecution expected no need of the property going forward, Thompson wrote. “Based on our review of Idaho case law, the current condition of the premises is so substantially different than at the time of the homicides that a 'jury view' would not be authorized,” Thompson said.

 

[Mardymermaid]

For the sake of say another year while the trial is held it should have been kept up. Demolish it after. I hope this doesn't impact the case down the line if there's something that needs looking over again.

 

[LasVegas702]

I see that this will air this Wednesday in the UK.

 

[LasVegas702]

I think he’s guilty but I also agree with Defence in that I think a jury pool from Latah County is a biased sample.

I agree

and The largest employer in the Latah County is University of Idaho and I think that based how U of I inserted themselves into the Investigation from the very beginning based on what President of U of I Scott Green wrote in his recent book. If I was a defense attorney I wouldn't want any of them on the jury.

 

[LasVegas702]

here's an update about the appeal that was filed with the Supreme Court of Idaho, it was denied.

 

[yellowmellow]

Opinions on Zara’s doco so far? All I’m taking away so far is that this JLR guy is an absolute knob

 

[boobear191]

So soon it will be a year this happened
I only came across this tragedy the other week on YouTube and I’ve read all the threads it’s a very weird situation I’ve seen some videos that are on Twitter (most likely fake) but you can hear a girl I presume K saying someone’s outside, then Maddie whispering something like ‘it’s Bryan it’s Bryan’ and K saying “nah nah, I’m out I’m out”

I really hope they get the justice they deserve as everything I’ve read about this is absolutely awful they had so much ahead of them it’s terrifying, I’m the same age as them and I don’t even want to think or imagine how I would be in that situation

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

Coroner's name is Cathy Mabbutt. The autopsies were done by a medical examiner at the Spokane County Medical Examiner in Spokane, Washington . Yes Cathy Mabbutt is a criminal defense attorney. She was also the lawyer to James Curtis Leonard.

Who is James Curtis Leonard? Convicted killer comes under scrutiny for Idaho University murders

On Tuesday, December 6, 39-year-old convicted killer James Curtis Leonard was arrested for allegedly assaulting his wife in Moscow, Idaho.

www.sportskeeda.com

There was a live stream with Duty Ron and he had a specialist of some kind on his channel and she said that she was shocked about how fast the victims were cremated e.g. Maddie and Kaylee. But Ethan was buried. Because she said now LE can't go back to the Bodies if they need to .

But there was another document drop for this case the defense is asking for some documents to be unsealed, they only asked them to be sealed because the prosecution asked for them to be sealed.

Why would the prosecution feel the need to seal anything? Its like all this nonsense with How the DNA was acquired, the Defense had to push the prosecution to release their evidence, so much so the judge had to order it.

I think BK is guilty but its making the prosecution look very strange in their approach.

 

[AimlessShameless]

Thank you for posting this @LasVegas702
. With all the focus on BK and the trial it is still so shocking when we focus back on those poor victims and what their families are still having to go through even before the ordeal of the trial.

 

[LasVegas702]

thank you @LasVegas702 this was a good recap, are you from the states as feel You know quite a bit about their justice system.
I wish we could hear the 911 call but I guess we will in time And it’s under the gag order

You're welcome. I'm American. I usually follow civil cases only. This is my first time following a criminal case or true crime case. So, it's a bit of a learning curve for me. But I watch a lot of EDB, Lawyer You Know and Andrea Burkhart and some other things to try to keep up . But I got interested in this case when people were saying they think that he is innocent. I was like why do that they think that.

Oh yeah got that gag order but they can talk to the media but only about what is in those court documents and no more from what I understand. haha. Both sides are clearly hiding behind the gag order and I can't really blame them , I would too. They have so much work to do. Anne Taylor and Jay Lodgson had another death penalty case that they were working on while they are working on Bk's case. If you look at the court documents, most of the time the assistant prosecutor for the state is filing those documents and signing them lately instead of Bill Thompson. Bill Thompson has an election position which is up for election in Nov 2024. So Bill will have to decide if he is going to run for reelection in Nov 2024 or not. I think that is another reason why he is probably asked for the trial in the summer of 2024 but I don't think that it will happen during that time frame. imo.

I want to hear that 911 call too. I hope that it's played during the trial if there is ever a trial.

I posted this article because it has some information in it that I haven't heard before. But also someone online talked about how they heard that the sheath was found near the dumpster on the ground near the 1122 King rd. but it was found in the house. But this person is wondering what is going on with the way the sheath was found. the state explains it in different ways in different documents. it's weird and even the Washington State search warrant for BK's apartment it's weird there too.

 

[LasVegas702]

How come he's being allowed to wear suits and seems to be given more "freedom" than most others who are in custody in the US court system? I find that weird.

Are you in the UK?
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How come he's being allowed to wear suits and seems to be given more "freedom" than most others who are in custody in the US court system? I find that weird.

Andrea a lawyer ( out of Washington state) on YouTube said that the second judicial circuit found that prison outfits were prejudicial.

The presumption of innocence is recognized as a due process right under the Fifth Amendment. The prosecutor has the burden of proof to show you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

and it's the State's responsibility to prove that.
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I don't think that DM and BF had anything to do with the crime but I see your point about too much focus on them but I guess my problem when people being upset about them texting each other which is why I posted what I posted And people seem to be so upset about that and I'm like they there it was scary, it's not surprising that there are some kind of communication between those two but there was also some communication I believe with that DM and BF were scared and I can understand that but. I guess people being shocked that they were texting either other. and I like mmm. that's brothers them. I'm like really.

based on this from the PCA, I'm not surprised but it upsets me that people are shocked it.

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They may just have been texting each other not out of fright but of annoyance 'urgh K and M are so noisy, wish they'd shut that dog up' or X and A fighting again, hope shes ok'. I would seriously doubt they were texting each other going 'I think theres a murderer in the house, Im scared'