I just wonder if the amount of lies she has told in court will lead to any reasonable journalist start questioning her story about how poor Archie died.
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When our son was stillborn, we had his ashes scattered in the "baby garden" at our local crematorium. I had to stop going in the end and we removed the bronze plaque we'd had placed there, purely for the reason of parents like Hollie. It made me so upset to see rotting teddies, balloon displays, and piles of tat on top of tat. I did make a complaint to the cemetery office but they said that they had to be really tactful around some families ie the ones who'd kick off if they said anything.
I cannot remember hearing that version in that video of how she found of Archie stood on the stairs with a ligature around his neck.
However, there were so many versions from her, I can't remember them all.
She shifted the whole argument to online challenges and internet safety when is should have been about child hood depression and child suicide. That is the real tragedy.
There appears to be several bereaved mums out there campaigning for internet safety, access to their late childs social media etc. But not one of them seems to take any level of responsibility. You give your kids a phone/tablet/games console with unrestricted internet access - that's on you and you alone, sorry.
We've had a new hub this week and the 1st job I did was sort out the filters on as our older grandkids now have phones.
We've had a new hub this week and the 1st job I did was sort out the filters on as our older grandkids now have phones.
My son is asking for a phone and it terrifies me, the thought of him having the Internet just in his hands wherever he goes. He has a tablet but he only uses that downstairs in the house or on long car journeys. He is never alone with it.
I worry about when he goes to secondary school as I know the pressure will be immense.
I worry about when he goes to secondary school as I know the pressure will be immense.
To quote from that interview with the conspiracy theorist (who within 30 seconds says Archie did not die but was "actually killed"), I found Hollie's description of the events of that day a bit odd.Jeez so in this new version of events hes stood on the landing with a ligature round his neck and took a fall ? Ffs woman go do yer time and think about your life.
Now saying Archie "was in quite a pranky mood", is not something I have ever heard her say before. Seeing as she insists he died doing a prank, then why not use that word now to add effect?
Describing how she found him, she said: "when I left my room, Archie was unresponsive with a ligature round his neck, standing on the stairs"...."Archie was standing with his feet on the stairs but when I managed to break the ligature, he then fell eight feet over the staircase bannister and then I had to give CPR.."
Make of that what you will.
None of it makes sense. he was standing and unresponsive, when she got the ligature off then he fell ? Lies lies and more lies. Your child hung him self , you found him after your phone call and have been spinning lies since. She deserves locking up for loads of reasons delighted she gave them a solid one.
Hollie has always claimed she did CPR and still claims this. The inquest revealed it was a neighbour who did the CPR not Hollie.
Tom being Tom was outside as the medics performed CPR picking a fight with the Police.
His lips were blue and he was pale when found. It was estimated his brain was without oxygen for 40 minutes.
Hollie claimed he was out of sight for just a few minutes with emphasise on the length of a phone call.
It was revealed at the inquest he had never searched for or videoed himself doing any sort of online challenge.
He had viewed and spoken about suicide and self harm.
She didn't want these messages read out in court and blocked the Police from viewing them?
I seem to recall the day before he had tied a ligature around his neck to the bedroom door
The online prank gone wrong is Hollie's shield to stop her acknowledging that her son hung himself.
The child was in a very dark place with a Mother unable to recognise this.
In this country we have a much higher incidence of suicide hidden behind accidental deaths or misadventure.
It is unthinkable that a 12 year old child hung themselves. Archie's legacy should have been preventing other depressed kids doing the same not a campaign against fictitious online challenges.
Shame on those politicians, media outlets and organisations that exploited a mother's grief and obvious dodgy story for their own ends.
As for Hollie nobody knows what is the truth anymore as it has been chopped and changed with every retelling as we saw from her trial she cant even lie straight.
I hope this is the last time Hollie appears in the media and this story just fades and goes and the poor kid can just rest in peace.
Totally agree with that. The Office for National Statistic show that around twenty 10 to 14 year olds take their own lives annually on the UK.
Bloomsberg Businessweek reported that around 20 children died WORLDWIDE allegedly taking part in a TikTok challenge in the eighteen-month period from 2021-2022. The parents of only 4 UK teens (including Archie) allege that their children died pursuing a TikTok challenge, which TikTok venomous deny occurred.
Thats 20 suicides a year. That 20 in the UK. Not Worldwide. This is really what needs addressing, and not a online challenge that it appears there is no hard proof of them taking part in.
I understand that its hard to accept your child took their own life, especially at such a young age. 20 against (possibly) 4. This is what I feel should have been addressed with visits to schools and colleges, as it is far more common than any perceived challenge.
My dad's friend took his own life at the age of 17 with a shotgun. 50 years later my dad still sometimes mentions how it affected him and his friends at the time, and the effect it has had on his, and their lives since.
Dad says that he and his friends have always wondered why they never noticed his mood in the days before, and if any of them had, could they have prevented him from going through with it? They will bever know.
For all I (and others) think of Archie, we must remember that he was a young kid, who seemed to have been in a dark place, with seemingly no one to talk to.
The problem with children's mental health is that a lot of them can't get near the services they need. My daughter is 14, autistic and has struggled with her mental health since around the age of 7. She was undiagnosed then and had trouble with friendships at school, was masking like crazy all day and then exploding when she got home.
I started finding notes in her room that said she wanted to die.
It took a long time to get anywhere near CAMHS. A friend was told they couldn't help her son unless he actually attempted suicide! My daughter was discharged from the medical side of CAMHS because she couldn't engage with them so we couldn't get her any medication. You can only get medication for children from CAMHS which is no good if they won't see you and in the meantime your child is getting worse and you get more desperate. If you are a parent that cares that is...
I started finding notes in her room that said she wanted to die.
It took a long time to get anywhere near CAMHS. A friend was told they couldn't help her son unless he actually attempted suicide! My daughter was discharged from the medical side of CAMHS because she couldn't engage with them so we couldn't get her any medication. You can only get medication for children from CAMHS which is no good if they won't see you and in the meantime your child is getting worse and you get more desperate. If you are a parent that cares that is...
When I was in Year 9 a girl in my year hung herself and it was recorded as 'death by misadventure'.
I think the issue is that coroners are a little too aware of relatives feelings. If someone died by taking their own life, then it should be recorded as such.
I think it’s more that whilst a 14 year old is more than capable of understanding that suicide results in death, their full comprehension of what it means to be dead is thought not to be complete.
Likewise, Archie may well have been desperate for the pain he was feeling to stop, how much he would have fully understood the finality of death is impossible to know.
Having said that, how much anyone truly comprehends that until they’ve experienced loss is also up for debate.
Perhaps there needs to be another term for it.
Likewise, Archie may well have been desperate for the pain he was feeling to stop, how much he would have fully understood the finality of death is impossible to know.
Having said that, how much anyone truly comprehends that until they’ve experienced loss is also up for debate.
Perhaps there needs to be another term for it.
Hollie‘s daughter has taken over the vile AA page. So many people wanting to send Hollie cards and are disgusted at the justice system after everything they have been through.
And these people live among us.
And these people live among us.
Imagine spending the last 4 years watching the same videos and seeing the same photos of Archie every day with the ever changing Poundland tat mountain of a grave site and Hollie's latest rants. There are people who travel across the country to leave flowers and gifts on a grave of a child they never knew. This is Hollie's safe place with her useful idiots who will lap up her every utterance and validate her version of events.
Her fuckwit of a daughter can explain how her false accusations ended up getting her Mum and brother banged up.
Yup. From a quick glance, she is still continuing to post the Archie memories on behalf of Hollie.
I‘m rarely on Facebook, I just thought I would have a look and see the temperature on the group. Perhaps one of them might have grown a brain cell. But nope.
When the story broke and it was Hollie and she was going to court, so many of the army flooded it to tell her what a great Mum she was and how they would do the same. (I.e chasing someone down in their car) They all seem to agree that because of Archie neither Hollie nor Tom should have been jailed.
Which tells us all we need to know about their lack of intelligence. Do they really believe that pair can do as they please - including violently attacking someone - then proceed to hide behind the suicide of a child?
It's hard to get into CAMHS because it's woefully understaffed and the demand is insane but it's a complete myth you can't get help unless you try to kill yourself. It's just completely false. It's what a lot of parents hear but it's not what is actually said. When I used to work in CAMHS. I can't tell you the amount of times I'd have a lengthy conversation with a parent and we'd do a safety plan etc and I'd say I know it was a long wait and we'd see them as something as we could and give them stuff they could get started with in the meantime and all you'd hear back is 'so they have to kill themselves for you to help!?!'. And then that gets repeated and people don't even refer because they think it has to be that bad. It's a really irresponsible thing for people to say (not you, personally, just in general). I triaged plenty of referrals that we accepted that weren't suicidal.
In regards to your personal situation, I'm sorry to hear about your daughter. Unfortunately, if someone has capacity and they don't engage there's really not a lot a clinician can do. You can't force them and it's not ethical to do so but it's so difficult when you know they need help. It becomes a vicious circle.