The Archie Battersbee case #12

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I did too until my Mum passed away and they explained it to me there, so was 28. I was like dafuq 😯. Had to as my Grandparents & Auntie insisted on having Chapel of rest viewings and was 3.5 weeks until funeral. Me and my Brother did not go and I regret nothing.
When my mum passed away, my then 17 year old daughter decided she wanted to see Mum in the Chapel of Rest the day before the funeral. We tried to talk her out of it but she was adamant, so being the dutiful mum that I was, I couldn;t let her go alone and I went with her. I wish I hadn't but wanted to support my daughters wishes. My daughter and I have never spoken about it but I hope it brought her some comfort even tho it didn;t for me.
 
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When my mum passed away, my then 17 year old daughter decided she wanted to see Mum in the Chapel of Rest the day before the funeral. We tried to talk her out of it but she was adamant, so being the dutiful mum that I was, I couldn;t let her go alone and I went with her. I wish I hadn't but wanted to support my daughters wishes. My daughter and I have never spoken about it but I hope it brought her some comfort even tho it didn;t for me.
Its a very personal choice for sure. Me & Brother were adament it was a no thanks. I still have clear as day memories of seeing an uncle in a Chapel of rest when I was 4 years old. I can picture every single thing from the entrance, to the rooms outside and where he was/what he looked like and my Mum was always like how the F do you remember that. Scarred in my brain so I had no desire to see Mum anything other than "alive". She may have been unconscious but she was warm with a heartbeat so that was fine by me to be a last memory.
 
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Hollie said on the live that Bart’s coroner was not working at the weekend but he was not getting anywhere near Archie anyway so he would be going back to the Essex coroner, not sure if she would have had anysay.
She probably thinks the Coroner is the pathologist 🙄 The nearest a Coroner gets to a body is looking at the photographs 😆 He certainly doesn't get 'up close and personal', so to speak ...
 
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Woah, in all my years of being born ( 35 years old ) I thought embalming was a wax they put on the deceased not what I've just googled after reading this thread 🤣
Nah Embalming is a really intrusive process they charge through the nose for ( sorry that was not meant to be a joke )

Nah Embalming is a really intrusive process they charge through the nose for ( sorry that was not meant to be a joke )
I know it’s not a joke x see https://www.dignityfunerals.co.uk/what-to-do-when-someone-dies/what-is-embalming/
 
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When my mum passed away, my then 17 year old daughter decided she wanted to see Mum in the Chapel of Rest the day before the funeral. We tried to talk her out of it but she was adamant, so being the dutiful mum that I was, I couldn;t let her go alone and I went with her. I wish I hadn't but wanted to support my daughters wishes. My daughter and I have never spoken about it but I hope it brought her some comfort even tho it didn;t for me.
I saw my father after he died. Expected, and certified. He just looked like my Daddy, sleeping.
My mother was a classic 'sudden death', so PM required, but no Inquest. I saw her as well, but because by then I had been present at numerous PMs I knew what to expect, because I knew what happens, and she didn't look like my mum.
Another distant family member went to see her (no idea why, just ghoulish) told me that they didn't recognise her. Because I was so cross they had gone, I said "One, I expect she's changed since you last saw her 25yrs ago, and Two, if you knew what had been done in the PM, you wouldn't comment". No tolerance of mats, then or now.
 
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So many different explanations for the death of a child. : here’s hoping the investigation will not be mild!
 
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She probably thinks the Coroner is the pathologist 🙄 The nearest a Coroner gets to a body is looking at the photographs 😆 He certainly doesn't get 'up close and personal', so to speak ...
I think that the Essex coroner is in Chelmsford anyway - they took weeks to do my mum's as there were severe delays, even pre-Covid.

Its a very personal choice for sure. Me & Brother were adament it was a no thanks. I still have clear as day memories of seeing an uncle in a Chapel of rest when I was 4 years old. I can picture every single thing from the entrance, to the rooms outside and where he was/what he looked like and my Mum was always like how the F do you remember that. Scarred in my brain so I had no desire to see Mum anything other than "alive". She may have been unconscious but she was warm with a heartbeat so that was fine by me to be a last memory.
Totally - after seeing my dad, who was radiating cold from the Undertaker's fridge, I told my daughter not to visit her grandmother unlesss she thought it really necessary as one's last memory tends to stick :(
 
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Kelley Marie on a live again looking her 15 mins of fame
Well she’s certainly growing her social media following off the back of this. Not sure how that makes her a great friend when the screenshots I’ve seen of the rest of her account is all about blokes

a good friend would be there for Hollie not live-streaming using tags of her dead child. Her friends are disgraceful not supportive
 
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Anyone wanting to sign to get balloon and lantern releases banned

 
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I hadn't intended to see mum but I couldn't let my daughter go on her own. I saw my dad as we had to turn off life support, it was a sudden and unexpected death, none of us knew how ill he was, he needed emergency open heart surgery and his blood pressure never came back, He was on life support for just over 24 hours but there was no hope unfortunately. It was about 2 and a half days in total from going in, having surgery and passing away.
 
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I always remember my Nan saying that my Mum looked like she was asleep and had "lovely red rosy cheeks". Well my Mum did not have red rosy cheeks nor did she ever wear makeup so sounds like they did her up like a dollybird and made me more glad I didn't go.

I want closed coffin, no funeral, simplicity cremation then ashes put with Mums and buried in a remembrance garden near us where my grandparents are. No fuss just be done with it and I'll haunt whoever goes against my wishes lol
 
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I have always said (like you, been to more than I can remember) it is the only certain way to take your life - as long as no one finds you within a short space of time. If you are lucky, you get it right and die quickly. If you get it wrong, you dangle and strangle. But you WILL die. If someone finds you, there is the awful prospect of a much longer death.
(Apologies - the emergency services can appear quite brutal to 'outsiders' but, rest assured, the respect given to the dead and dying is nothing but appropriate and correct)
my adult godson researched knots, branch weight etc to ensure his method would be instant, he had also researched why cases aren’t instant, as much as I obviously wish we could turn back the clock, I am ‘glad’ his family didn’t have the prolonged suffering that would have arisen had it not been instant 😢

He ensured his family wouldn’t be the ones to find him but two other young men I know of either didn’t think about it or ensured the very people who had caused them life long pain would find them . I should imagine little Archie was too young to be thin along those lines but who knows ❤
 
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When my mum passed away, my then 17 year old daughter decided she wanted to see Mum in the Chapel of Rest the day before the funeral. We tried to talk her out of it but she was adamant, so being the dutiful mum that I was, I couldn;t let her go alone and I went with her. I wish I hadn't but wanted to support my daughters wishes. My daughter and I have never spoken about it but I hope it brought her some comfort even tho it didn;t for me.
When i was 17, me and my dad visited my grandad in hospital and the old bugger decided to expire on us without warning, very peacefully . I was glad we were there because nobody else could have got there in time. I've seen a lot of dead people (used to be a thing to have student nurses doing the death watch pretty much, part of the reason I bailed into LD nursing, when you're good at it, they keep asking)
My dad made it home from work before dying on the bathroom floor from cardiomyopathy when I was 24, I washed his hands and face, brushed his hair properly and took off the defibrillator leads before he went off for PM and redid his hair before my mum saw him in the chapel of rest. I guess you could say I'm pretty comfortable around dead people , when my nan died at my mum's house I helped lay her out , I probably should have been a funeral director but I really really hate funerals, especially crematorium ones
 
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Having had a little scout on various coronial websites ....
There are three Coroners in Essex (senior and two assistants).
All hearings are at Chelmsford.
No listings for Battersbee.

Royal London Hospital comes under Poplar Coroner's Court.
Again, no listing for Battersbee.
It might be because it isn't actually listed yet.
It might be, due to the hysteria, it is being kept under the radar.
It might be that I am looking in the wrong place. 🙄
 
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Having had a little scout on various coronial websites ....
There are three Coroners in Essex (senior and two assistants).
All hearings are at Chelmsford.
No listings for Battersbee.

Royal London Hospital comes under Poplar Coroner's Court.
Again, no listing for Battersbee.
It might be because it isn't actually listed yet.
It might be, due to the hysteria, it is being kept under the radar.
It might be that I am looking in the wrong place. 🙄
It's not going to be listed this soon I don't think , there won't be anything until at least after all the investigations and reviews are finished. The child death reviews won't have been actioned until Monday and there's 2 of them to do - the Poplar one will be fairly quick because they'll just be looking at when he was in hospital, the Essex one will probably take longer because of the parties they'll have to involve, then there's the police . Pretty sure the coroner will need the results of all that
 
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Imagine being a social worker tasked with getting anywhere near any one of Hollie Dance’s children. Mission impossible springs to mind.

And that's the problem often.
The lowest lying fruit who co operate & work with SW tick the boxes and hit the targets
The aggressive, gobby parents get left with often tragic consequences
 
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I’m torn on the issue of funerals. On one hand I think it’s the last thing you do for someone, both my Mum and Dad wanted to be buried so I respected their wishes. I remember reading about people being buried alive at a young age and it became nightmare fodder. After my Dad’s funeral I had recurring nightmares about being trapped, worms, decomposition etc. i feel ‘twitchy’ just recalling if!

On the other hand for me personally I couldn’t care less about having a funeral service and would like my body to be dealt with in whatever way is the most eco friendly at the time. That said I’m aware that my family might need a funeral for closure and I quite fancy having ‘Circle of Life’ or ‘Highway to Hell’ played.
 
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It's not going to be listed this soon I don't think , there won't be anything until at least after all the investigations and reviews are finished. The child death reviews won't have been actioned until Monday and there's 2 of them to do - the Poplar one will be fairly quick because they'll just be looking at when he was in hospital, the Essex one will probably take longer because of the parties they'll have to involve, then there's the police . Pretty sure the coroner will need the results of all that
The opening and adjourning is usually done within a short time of death, (roughly about a week) and after any PM. This is simply to issue an Interim Death Certificate to enable funerals to go ahead. The full Inquest Hearing will be after the conclusion of any enquiries, several months into the future.
I'm not sure if the Inquest will be heard at Poplar, where the actual confirmed death occurred, or at Chelmsford where the originating incident was. Or whether the Poplar Coroner has the legal ability to transfer the proceedings to Essex.
There will only be one CDR. It will be a multi-agency job, with everyone involved, from everywhere relevant.
 
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It's not even the #1 story on the local paper site, it's down to #4

hopefully this is the last she ever gets big headlines


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Jo Jo
Jo Jo If you plaster everything off social media what do you expect? The clinicians in this case were 100% right from the start (the ending confirmed this) however the media circus and the paranoia and stubbornness of the mother made it into a media circus a…See more

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Paul Atradis
Paul Atradis They can change it all they want but if the parents won't listen then what's the point.
How many times are you going to say no to someone before they take it on board.
I also agree about social media, too many bleeding hearts on here behaving like Arcjie was their child and the family was theirs. Its really of no rest to anyone other than the families, family and close friends.

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Steve Coughlan
Steve Coughlan Yes law needs to change, and I’m probably in the minority on this view, but the heartless way this family was treated was nothing short or shameful and disrespectful.
After 2 weeks to be taken to court !!!!
Are you serious ?and I blame the hospital and…See more

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Mandy Wood
Mandy Wood No if the parents don’t agree with the hospital then yes the courts should step in.

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Ruth Alexandra Perry
Ruth Alexandra Perry No. Parents can just prolong things and make it worse for all involved.


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Sam Dalzell

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Sam Dalzell Unfortunately it was the parents that made it worse

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Sherry Robinson
Sherry Robinson Yes they should change it so it can’t be plastered all over the media sites and made private and to stop unnecessary repeated appeals
Unpopular opinion no doubt and I await my barrage of abuse….
Agree with Steve here
 
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