The Archie Battersbee Case #10

[Merpedy]

I hope she hasn't kicked off at the hospital and used violence. That's not fair to the staff or anyone in that ward.

Not sure why you’re jumping to violence straight away

I think some trouble was expected by everyone involved. I also think it could be normal, depending on the severity obviously. Hollie hasn’t been accepting medical facts for ages now, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect parents to just reasonably accept that their child has to pass now without some sort of issue coming up

Even with all of the selfish behaviour Hollie has, that’s still her child and it’s perfectly normal for her to be broken and not want to accept that he has to die (even if he has died ages ago)

I remember a while ago someone said that they understood what she meant by wanting the death to not be planned, and it was controversial for some reason. Thinking about this I sort of understand what they meant. She has spent the night knowing it’s the final night Archie would be here and now she’s come to this moment. I could see how that’s a lot harder than his death happening very randomly

 

[sheleg]

FYI, “in awe” means deep admiration

Not necessarily. Awe originally meant overwhelmed with horror at something. Hence awful and awestruck.

 

[CoffeeMamma]

I'll be sending a thank you/apology and a small gift this week.

We can’t afford to send any gifts but I make cards as a hobby so will send one.

 

[Sneauflake]

We're still here?

 

[wideopenspace]

I'd be more shocked if she didn't post pics
It's often just a hand people post on SM

I don't understand this when my grandmother was end of life she'd have been mortified at how she looked so we weren't taking any pictures. I really wish people would respect the dying and dead rather than going for likes.

 

[Jeddiwarrior]

I'm soo glad to see something like this. This has been agonising for me and I've sobbed and sobbed about it. Wondering if I failed my precious child because I agreed to the doctors withdrawing life support.

I feel incredibly guilty, no matter what anyone has been saying to me. I'm second guessing my decision. And if it was the right one. Honestly feeling so much pain and the moment. But can't seem to drag myself away from this case. ( partly because I want to know this little boy will soon be able to rest) even saying that breaks my heart.

In my child's last hours it was just myself and his daddy, we did hand and foot prints and casts and sang to him and brushed his hair. And laid in his bed with him until it was "time" to say our goodbyes.

My heart still breaks for Archies parents.
But this whole media thing and appeal after appeal really does have me questioning my choices. And if I really " fought" for my baby. Or if we said goodbye too soon.

It's had me up at night. Wondering if I did what this mother is doing would my son have woken up?

God this is painful on so many levels.

Poor poor Archie.

Letting someone go when your heart is screaming stay is the greatest final act of love we can give, if its our child then 1000000 times more so. Bless you my lovely

 

[bubbadabut]

That photo is in poor taste ugh I just can't

I think that photo is weeks old. It's from when Archie had the cupping mark on his forehead. Definitely not from today.

 

[Kay2304]

We don't accept death at all in the UK, some families have asked me about performing CPR on their 95 year old frail nan with severe dementia . I wouldn't feel comfortable assaulting someone so frail in their last moments thankfully the doctor agrees. I feel the same about Derek Kate Garraways husband it's obvious he doesn't have capacity anymore and she parades him on telly. Gross invasion of his privacy and his dignity. I respect the Schumacher family as there's not one picture of him since his accident his family know that he wouldn't want people to see him like that, so he will be remembered as an F1 champion and not severely brain damaged.

I agree 100% with you. My friends dad was sent home to die, aged 89, which he did peacefully with her holding his hand after caring for him for about ten days. She made the mistake of dialling 999 and they insisted on her trying to do CPR on him! This was after his wife and her had sat saying their goodbyes for several mins. It was only when their carer arrived and took over the call refusing to do CPR that it was stopped. We seem to have evolved into thinking death can be put off forever instead of accepting that there is a time when our life ends. That might be at 95, 89 or sadly in Archie’s case 12.

Re Kate Garraway’s husband, when I read how poorly he’d been again, I thought if that was me or my husband I’d be considering end of life care only.

I really hope the reports of family kicking off aren’t true and they’re able to calm down and hold Archie to say goodbye to him. If they continue to hold onto their anger they really won’t be able to grieve for him.

 

[Penelope]

Not sure why you’re jumping to violence straight away

I think some trouble was expected by everyone involved. I also think it could be normal, depending on the severity obviously. Hollie hasn’t been accepting medical facts for ages now, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect parents to just reasonably accept that their child has to pass now without some sort of issue coming up

Even with all of the selfish behaviour Hollie has, that’s still her child and it’s perfectly normal for her to be broken and not want to accept that he has to die (even if he has died ages ago)

I remember a while ago someone said that they understood what she meant by wanting the death to not be planned, and it was controversial for some reason. Thinking about this I sort of understand what they meant. She has spent the night knowing it’s the final night Archie would be here and now she’s come to this moment. I could see how that’s a lot harder than his death happening very randomly

I said,I hope she hasn't. Also she had a record for violent assault.

 

[veevee04]

Not sure why you’re jumping to violence straight away

I think some trouble was expected by everyone involved. I also think it could be normal, depending on the severity obviously. Hollie hasn’t been accepting medical facts for ages now, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect parents to just reasonably accept that their child has to pass now without some sort of issue coming up

Even with all of the selfish behaviour Hollie has, that’s still her child and it’s perfectly normal for her to be broken and not want to accept that he has to die (even if he has died ages ago)

I remember a while ago someone said that they understood what she meant by wanting the death to not be planned, and it was controversial for some reason. Thinking about this I sort of understand what they meant. She has spent the night knowing it’s the final night Archie would be here and now she’s come to this moment. I could see how that’s a lot harder than his death happening very randomly

Its not what's best for her though ? It's about what's best for the patient and their dignity. A planned death is usually very peaceful no staff running around , just the family holding them and staff in the background offering support. I've held people as they were dying in COVID without any running around I held their hand offered supportive oxygen as they were struggling and gave pain relief. The end was very peaceful. I think we need to think about what a good death looks like. I hope to god I have a planned death and not one with CPR where I die after having my ribs broken. Good deaths are definitely possible .

 

[CELESTE CROCKETT]

Woman on radio just conflating archie with asylum seekers
We spend money on them but not on archie....
Where to start with that one?
Also thinks parents should decide and he should've gone to hospice
Host trying to reason with her .....pointless

 

[DapperDan]

I would never defend HD for the things she`s done,far too mercenary.I do however think we need to take into account her childhood and upbringing,she probably had a rough ride and it`s affected her parenting skills.Just my tuppence worth! It`s not a defence,just an observation.

My Dad had a horrendous childhood and he’s a wonderful parent.

 

[Deeznutslol]

Woman on radio just conflating archie with asylum seekers
We spend money on them but not on archie....
Where to start with that one?
Also thinks parents should decide and he should've gone to hospice
Host trying to reason with her .....pointless

It’s not even about the money, it’s about the fact he was literally brain dead and there were no viable treatment options left.

 

[imbeyondcaeing12]

They’re bickering now on the Facebook page about who does/doesn’t know what’s going on. It’s so tragic but for some reason I keep checking. I’m in awe of the state of them.

I’ve not been on fb for this reason it’s disgusting tbh and I think that some on there have forgotten there’s a boy at the Centre of all this.

All this with the courts etc imo shouldn’t have been allowed to get this far we need to accept death is part of life and we don’t go on forever on those earth

Due to this I’m going to definitely look into a living will and makes my wishes crystal clear on what I’d like if I ever ended up in life support as no one should have to go through this at all…..hope the mum and family can heal as well once they are out of this situation and poor Archie is laid to rest

 

[DoctorFlocci]

Not sure why you’re jumping to violence straight away

I think some trouble was expected by everyone involved. I also think it could be normal, depending on the severity obviously. Hollie hasn’t been accepting medical facts for ages now, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect parents to just reasonably accept that their child has to pass now without some sort of issue coming up

Even with all of the selfish behaviour Hollie has, that’s still her child and it’s perfectly normal for her to be broken and not want to accept that he has to die (even if he has died ages ago)

I remember a while ago someone said that they understood what she meant by wanting the death to not be planned, and it was controversial for some reason. Thinking about this I sort of understand what they meant. She has spent the night knowing it’s the final night Archie would be here and now she’s come to this moment. I could see how that’s a lot harder than his death happening very randomly

Hollie Dance has form in that regard, previously convicted of assault (at least twice afaik) suspended sentences so far only.

Given how strongly she feels about this situation, & what she’s said about how she would act physically to prevent life support being withdrawn, I would imagine the nurses & doctors involved today will need close protection officers, at the very least!

 

[Geologymad]

I’ve lurked for a while but not posted. I feel for Archie and hope he get peace.
- I wonder how many children have died directly due to the family keeping him in itu after drs determined he was brain dead. There are limited itu beds especially neuro.
- How many will die as the hospital is likely to be more selective on who they can take.
- How many children have died in directly as they couldn’t have a transplant as their was no free itu bed. I really hope non of their other children ever need a transplant after the way the family have behaved. My cousin had a heart transplant at Great Ormand street aged 7.
- His organs will be no good so the drs won’t be wanting him dead for an organ doner.

- when my younger brother was 6 weeks old he stopped breathing luckily he was in the pram and mum resuscitated him. They gave him 50% survival rate. This was 8 weeks after my dad died. My older bro and myself stayed with grandparents so mum could be by his side so if anything happened she would be there. He was offered baptism but luckily he had been baptised the week before as we are religious. Luckily he pulled through with permanent lung damage.
- In 2017 mum had to sit at my bed side whilst I was on a ventilator with meningitis given a 50/50 chance. Yes the priest came just incase. Mum went with what the medical staff said. She didn’t know if she would get me back as she’d already been lucky with my brother. I pulled through but have been left with seizures and since been in itu multiple times due to those and sepsis.
We have been very lucky but at some point it’s likely that the seizures could cause catastrophic brain damage if the drs said brain dead or no chance of meaningful recovery then we would let things take the course. I wouldn’t want to have a beating heart but no life. I’d prefer to be in heaven with my Dad and loved ones already in heaven. I suppose if God wanted us to live he would of made that clear earlier on so medics knew we had a chance.
We are all on the doner register and if my organs are no use for me I’d rather that they help someone else to have a better life.
I don’t agree with the Christian group praying on vulnerable families giving false hope by funding appeal after appeal it gives genuine Christians a bad name. I do think offering baptism or equivalent but only if it’s wanting and then prayers and Chaplin support as that’s all that’s needed.

 

[thinker]

I would never defend HD for the things she`s done,far too mercenary.I do however think we need to take into account her childhood and upbringing,she probably had a rough ride and it`s affected her parenting skills.Just my tuppence worth! It`s not a defence,just an observation.

Who cares? She is vile and predatory not to mention violent ( ABH) conviction in her previous name Lisa Pittaway..look her up..it’s an eye opener for sure. My sympathies lie solely with the medical professionals and of course the poor child at the centre of this tit storm. May he eventually rest in peace.

 

[Weeder]

My Dad had a horrendous childhood and he’s a wonderful parent.

Thank you for saying this because although I decided not to be a parent it weighs on me sometimes when the presumption is that the abused go on to become abusers. That is true in some cases but others, with self awareness don't.

 

[pixiedust345]

there was no online challenge regarding what archie had put on him, there’s more to this story

 

[squatternutbosh]

I can see where her next avenue is now…
Archie Battersbee's mum 'bullied' by vile trolls who say her son is 'rotting'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/archie-battersbees-mum-bullied-vile-27672649