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That’s a bit harsh
What if they were planning a puppy anyway and know that even when life is normal they can properly look after it. Or is it more that they purchased a puppy? I agree though that people shouldn’t just buy puppies during lockdown on a whim, but life can change all the time - someone may rescue a puppy and then get pregnant, or get a new job, or need to move. I think as long as those adopting have thought about all the risks involved and the amount of care that dog needs then it’s fine.My sister adopted a dog from Romania. She was told he was a year old on adoption but was more likely 4. He ended up at the vets on a bank holiday with major kidney stones due to living on the streets for so long. It ended costing them £2k since they didn’t have insurance. The vet said that no way could the stones be from a 1 year old dog and he was certainly a lot older.
Yes, I bought my three MC cats after 40 plus years of having rescues. My dog is a rescue. My cats were bought from a reputable breeder who interviewed us before we were allowed to take our first boy home.
Until I stopped working I donated $40 per month to an animal rescue centre. Half for the centre and half for a trap and spay program to stop feral cats breeding in my area. That's over 15 years I've donated all that money plus more to other animal charities.
Please don't tar everyone with the same brush and generalise. The cats I have are well known for being beneficial for children with Autism as they are very gentle and loving.
I despise the idea of designer pets and puppy mills but I refuse to feel bad because I've chosen a certain breed now I'm older.
Until I stopped working I donated $40 per month to an animal rescue centre. Half for the centre and half for a trap and spay program to stop feral cats breeding in my area. That's over 15 years I've donated all that money plus more to other animal charities.
Please don't tar everyone with the same brush and generalise. The cats I have are well known for being beneficial for children with Autism as they are very gentle and loving.
I despise the idea of designer pets and puppy mills but I refuse to feel bad because I've chosen a certain breed now I'm older.
I know not ideal but their cat had accidentally had kittens, it wasn't like I paid loads I cannot remember how much it was but I just paid for flea/worm treatments she had had
So you drinking milk for calcium and protein, which you can get from many other sources, justifies dairy cows being impregnated through endless cycles until they die so dairy farmers can get money? Many more cycles than female dogs? Can you see that your logic is flawed? I don't want to derail this into a veganism thread but the parallels between dog breeding and dairy cows are quite close. In my opinion, anyone who is anti dog breeding, should be extremely anti dairy. I haven't drunk cows milk in 6 years and I'm not even hugely vocal about dog breeding.
vegan conversations should be held on a different thread.
please leave it here.
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but this will effect all family members including your dog, that’s life, you’ve planned to have an animal in your family they grow and bend with the family like a child or partner,
Very different to someone buying a puppy because they’re stuck at Home 24/7 and think there might be a return option when life goes back to normal.
please don’t derail. This isn’t what this thread is about.
It’s not a “woke” crusade.
we have so many stories coming out about family pets being stolen from their owners in order to produce puppies that are then for sale at extortionate prices.
not a vegan woke thread for judging others on their diet. I’m sure there’s room for that thread as well.
I don’t think anyone buys a puppy expecting to return it when things change? (And yes if they do then I agree they are assholes) Sometimes it has to be done though - for example my cousin had 2 dogs for about 6 months then fell pregnant unplanned. Her son has a lot of breathing issues and skin allergies so they had to rehome the dogs! Likewise some people may have been told they will likely never return to working in an office full time, so they get a dog because for the first time in their life they can actually offer the dog the care it needs... who is to say in 1/2/3 years whether this will change, and as long as they realise nothing is set in stone I can’t really see what the issue is? Anyway agreeing with your main sentiment, just don’t think it’s as black and white as “everyone who got a dog this year is a dick”
have you seen the amount of puppies/dogs that have been “returned” because lockdown “customers” didn’t realise their puppy becomes a dog and the restaurants and pub will eventually open again.I don’t think anyone buys a puppy expecting to return it when things change? (And yes if they do then I agree they are assholes) Sometimes it has to be done though - for example my cousin had 2 dogs for about 6 months then fell pregnant unplanned. Her son has a lot of breathing issues and skin allergies so they had to rehome the dogs! Likewise some people may have been told they will likely never return to working in an office full time, so they get a dog because for the first time in their life they can actually offer the dog the care it needs... who is to say in 1/2/3 years whether this will change, and as long as they realise nothing is set in stone I can’t really see what the issue is? Anyway agreeing with your main sentiment, just don’t think it’s as black and white as “everyone who got a dog this year is a dick”
I've said there are always an exception to the rule. Life happens, sometimes a dog needs to go to find a new family for its sake as well as others, if so once it’s done properly that’s the best decision.
Supporting an industry like this, especially in the last 12 months, there is no excuse.
We purchased a puppy in August. He goes to work with my boyfriend twice a week, even has a profile page on their website. I work from home the other days. He gets 2 walks a day, and plays with 5-10 dogs every morning in our local park. If we need to go anywhere without him, we drop him round at my parents down the road. He's even been to the pub twice since Monday - he has a better social life than me. Feel free to judge though and let me know what we could be doing differently!
I have house rabbits too ... two were put in the rescue bit in Pets at Home as they were too old to sell at 5 months. At the time I didn’t want more rabbits after my beautiful Skye Bear died but it was Xmas and there was a family there with young kids talking about getting them for someone as Xmas gifts ... I swooped right in immediately to stop that scenario happening. They never handled the rabbits there so they were scared of being touched which was sad to see. Holly had to have jaw surgery in January as it’s misaligned due to inbreedingSlight offshoot from cats and dogs but rabbits....People who buy them for their kids out of pets at home for Easter!!! Then proceed to put them in the back garden in a tiny hutch, absolutely breaks my heart
I've got 3 rescue rabbits, one was someone Easter gift that got too expensive (he was from pets at home and their breeding isn't great so he has loads of problems and cos rabbits are classed as exotics the vet fees are huge), the other was kept in a tiny hutch he couldn't stand up in and my 3rd was kept in a drawer with 7 other rabbits. They all now free roam in my house (you can litter train rabbits!) And I would describe them as much closer to the personality of cats and they also have complex needs due to their delicate gi systems!
I honestly think the sale of animals should be stopped especially in pet shops
. My youngest bun Teddy Bear was bought my an idiot as something for kids to play with during lockdown and then returned to a pet shop when the kids went back to school. He was severely underweight and his fur was yellow from sitting in urine which had also burnt his feet. Within a day he was at the vets as he wasn’t eating ... he was very depressed and had malnutrition. He’s the most wonderful loving chap now and incredibly clean with his litter tray. Only problem is he doesn’t want to be a ‘husbun’ so he lives in his own bachelor pad while the girls have the bunny beach hut 
totally understand there are always going to be exceptions, you don’t sound like you’ve got your kittens on a Done Deal advertisement. I’m willing to agree in some cases it’s the best option
BUT.
In the last 12 months
the dog could have his own en-suite penthouse attic conversation, my issue is this.
Why not adopt.
It's horrendous isn't itI have house rabbits too ... two were put in the rescue bit in Pets at Home as they were too old to sell at 5 months. At the time I didn’t want more rabbits after my beautiful Skye Bear died but it was Xmas and there was a family there with young kids talking about getting them for someone as Xmas gifts ... I swooped right in immediately to stop that scenario happening. They never handled the rabbits there so they were scared of being touched which was sad to see. Holly had to have jaw surgery in January as it’s misaligned due to inbreeding
I shudder to think how many families buy them and the rabbit goes into gi stasis and they don't realise that it's a medical emergency and the poor bun sits and dies a horrible painful death. My pets at home reject suffers really bad with gi stasis (we get a bout every month or so) and luckily I know the signs to help him without needing intervention from the vet but so many people don't because they are shoved in a hutch at the bottom of the garden 
thank you for saving those poor babies We wanted a specific breed that fit best into our lifestyle, which we'd done lots of research on for about a year. It's a popular breed that rarely comes up for adoption, and ones that do often need constant companionship or have health issues, and are extremely in demand regardless. It was more responsible for us to buy a breed that is completely right for us and that won't become too much to handle, than to adopt a dog that isn't 100% right or ends up having behavioural issues down the line that we are unequipped to properly deal with, just for the sake of adopting. I'm sure you disagree which is fine!
I just hope this isn’t the same attitude you’d have with a child,
Read this back as if you’re talking about a child, it shouldn’t be any different.
what breed is it? If you’re comfortable saying. Sounds like it’s a designer puppy.
Been lurking here for a bit and here's my take: I've always adopted rescue cats (and loved them), now I do want to own a dog one day but only one specific breed (for the most part) - because of looks+ but mostly personality characteristics. Whenever I browse my local shelter sites when those dogs appear it's always one with a specific issue (physical or abused) and on the site they mention they want someone with experience with the breed/not for novice owners. When the time comes and I know I'm in a position where I'm most likely to be in a stable situation in life, I'll give rescue shelters a go first, but would resort to a breeder if what I'm looking for isn't possible. Apart from general breed look+ characteristics I'm looking for, I'd want a dog who starts out healthy so we can do physical activities together, and would budget for training classes if needed as well, getting an older ill dog is nice for some people but at this point in my life I think it'd be cruel to put that dog through a rude workout with me when that would be a more suitable dog for an owner who is much lazier. I do think animal purchases need to be more regulated, but I also think that having some breeds go extinct would be a damn shame as well. I see both sides so I guess I'll join other users on the fence. Feel free to disagree but I won't adopt any dog that wouldn't suit my lifestyle since I don't think it's the right thing to do. But I don't like irresponsible owners who buy pets on a whim then complain about the cost.
Yep, that's me. I've posted about my puppy and I don't regret it. What's the difference regarding my puppy getting used to being alone vs if I had rescued a dog and that needed to get used to being alone. That arguement isn't exclusive to puppies
We were very fortunate to adopt a puppy from the Dogs Trust in February ‘20.
Our children wanted a dog but instead of immediately buying/getting one, we started visiting the dogs trust every few weeks. They certainly don’t make it easy for people to adopt, especially if you have children, but do I want a dog so much that I’m willing to risk it attacking my kids (obviously worse case scenario)? No. And then one Saturday we popped in and they had a ’new’ puppy. A miniature Pinscher who had been smuggled into the country from Poland. Our darling girl. shes not a breed we were particularly interested in and we wanted a male but that’s what is so great about adopting. It’s not about what you want, it’s about giving a pet a good home.
The downside is that she’s essentially a lockdown pup. We had roughly six weeks of training and getting into a routine before lockdown. She has separation anxiety and I’m worried about leaving her for any length of time as she truly has never ever been alone. She’s also suspicious of house ‘guests‘. So in my experience lockdown pets will require extra effort when we all get back to normal and I hope my four neighbours who got puppies during lockdown will bear that in mind.
Our children wanted a dog but instead of immediately buying/getting one, we started visiting the dogs trust every few weeks. They certainly don’t make it easy for people to adopt, especially if you have children, but do I want a dog so much that I’m willing to risk it attacking my kids (obviously worse case scenario)? No. And then one Saturday we popped in and they had a ’new’ puppy. A miniature Pinscher who had been smuggled into the country from Poland. Our darling girl. shes not a breed we were particularly interested in and we wanted a male but that’s what is so great about adopting. It’s not about what you want, it’s about giving a pet a good home.
The downside is that she’s essentially a lockdown pup. We had roughly six weeks of training and getting into a routine before lockdown. She has separation anxiety and I’m worried about leaving her for any length of time as she truly has never ever been alone. She’s also suspicious of house ‘guests‘. So in my experience lockdown pets will require extra effort when we all get back to normal and I hope my four neighbours who got puppies during lockdown will bear that in mind.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
My puppy will rarely be alone, but she will be taught to be as a well rounded, socialised, well habituated puppy. She already self soothes and takes herself to get bed to sleep in by choice. More freedom than the cows get.
ETA: My puppy gets companionship, love, 5* care and treatment when required. We (my husband and I) also get companionship and affection from the puppy (and our older dog).
ETA so you don't pay for milk?
Apologies, just seen the remark about veganism.
You are being very judgemental that everyone is buying puppies because they are stuck at home. Mine was partly bought for the complete opposite. When she is sufficiently old enough she will come running and fell walking with me.but this will effect all family members including your dog, that’s life, you’ve planned to have an animal in your family they grow and bend with the family like a child or partner,
Very different to someone buying a puppy because they’re stuck at Home 24/7 and think there might be a return option when life goes back to normal.
please don’t derail. This isn’t what this thread is about.
It’s not a “woke” crusade.
we have so many stories coming out about family pets being stolen from their owners in order to produce puppies that are then for sale at extortionate prices.
not a vegan woke thread for judging others on their diet. I’m sure there’s room for that thread as well.
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