Southport Attacks

[Haveyouanywool]

I know a couple of Romanians and my son worked with some in hospitality.
They absolutely despise the Roma. They are also embarrassed by them and feel they will be affected by negative misguided association.
Perhaps a lot of this hatred is born purely from racism, perhaps there’s an element of genuine distaste about how they choose to live their lives.
Either way, the local UK population is expected to wholeheartedly embrace the new community but the new community is not expected to change behaviours that led to them being despised in their country of origin.
I’m really not seeing how that’s expected to work.
Ok, integrate and assimilate, fine, but then that’s wrong too, as it’s ‘wanting to change the culture’.
I’m being a bit judgemental in my language, but I’m not sure how I can tone it down and still get my point across.

 

[monga]

Nothing apart from putting their lives on the line against hundreds of animals committing such acts.

Not in NI it’s the epitome of two tier policing…This was posted by the chief constable when the dogs on the street knew what was happening.

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I know a couple of Romanians and my son worked with some in hospitality.
They absolutely despise the Roma. They are also embarrassed by them and feel they will be affected by negative misguided association.
Perhaps a lot of this hatred is born purely from racism, perhaps there’s an element of genuine distaste about how they choose to live their lives.
Either way, the local UK population is expected to wholeheartedly embrace the new community but the new community is not expected to change behaviours that led to them being despised in their country of origin.
I’m really not seeing how that’s expected to work.
Ok, integrate and assimilate, fine, but then that’s wrong too, as it’s ‘wanting to change the culture’.
I’m being a bit
judgemental, in my language, but I’m not sure how I can tone it down and still get my point across.

Yeah Roma Gypsies are apparent outcasts in their own country.The Irish gov is setting up support networks for them.

 

[JSquared]

Not in NI it’s the epitome of two tier policing…This was posted by the chief constable when the dogs on the street knew what was happening.View attachment 3091408
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Yeah Roma Gypsies are apparent outcasts in their own country.The Irish gov is setting up support networks for them.

Does he mean Nonsense as in he disputed the reasons for the riots?

 

[Blueblue123]

Not in NI it’s the epitome of two tier policing…T

I thought the idea behind two tier policing was that white people are over policed and other groups aren't. If the police did nothing then that's not over policing.

 

[monga]

Does he mean Nonsense as in he disputed the reasons for the riots?

Nonsense as in there were no intelligence to back up the rumoured protests.

 

[Wee Nora]

I’ll just leave this here.

 

[JSquared]

Nonsense as in there were no intelligence to back up the rumoured protests.

Interesting when it’s posted all over SM… what a clown 🫠

 

[Realitybites]

I remember reading a while back that MI5 think the biggest terrorist todays comes from far right groups rather than Islamist extremism. The government will have intel on this.

That’s what I was told last time I had Prevent training in work

 

[monga]

I thought the idea behind two tier policing was that white people are over policed and other groups aren't. If the police did nothing then that's not over policing.

Two tier policing doesn’t have to stop at race.

 

[miss n thropy]

I know a couple of Romanians and my son worked with some in hospitality.
They absolutely despise the Roma. They are also embarrassed by them and feel they will be affected by negative misguided association.
Perhaps a lot of this hatred is born purely from racism, perhaps there’s an element of genuine distaste about how they choose to live their lives.
Either way, the local UK population is expected to wholeheartedly embrace the new community but the new community is not expected to change behaviours that led to them being despised in their country of origin.
I’m really not seeing how that’s expected to work.
Ok, integrate and assimilate, fine, but then that’s wrong too, as it’s ‘wanting to change the culture’.
I’m being a bit judgemental, in my language, but I’m not sure how I can tone it down and still get my point across.

I get what you are saying and everyone is judgemental about something, it’s human nature.

My problem is with the rioters who are currently committing acts of theft and what I would call domestic terrorism in the name of “patriotism” when really they have just been manipulated to hate anyone they think doesn’t look like their idea of British and blame them for their own clearly tit lives. None of this behaviour is justified.

i am something of an outlier amongst my friends and acquaintances for my beliefs and politics.We are friends and don’t speak about politics much. I don’t agree with them but respect most of their opinions. I have, over the last two days however realised that two of them are just out and out racists so will no longer be socialising with them. I also have another friend, a Reform voter, actually a lovely person, who is horrified and frightened by the violence from what she saw previously as “her people”. She was going to go to Nottingham for a nice day out to see her grandchildren, but as an “old biddy”, like me, she was too frightened.

I am no apologist for people who do not respect the laws of this land due to their “culture”, but I think you can still respect the culture and beliefs of people which may be different to your own if they are law abiding.

Sorry, rambled on a bit there x

 

[monga]

Interesting when it’s posted all over SM… what a clown 🫠

NI is essentially a circus so fitting

 

[Moth]

Can’t believe what I’ve just read on here. Anyone with a brain should be concerned about the uncivilised immigrants that are entering the country everyday. If you don’t, and you have young children, then I’d be seriously concerned you can’t safeguard them if you can’t even recognise real threats.

The concern should be about 'uncivilised' (whatever that means) people in the UK irrespective of their race, creed, colour or nationality.

Made up by the BBC, bit of conflict of interest there, don’t you think?

What makes you think that an analysis by the Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse is "made up by the BBC"?
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I do wish we were more like Australia in terms of how they allow people in to their country, be to live or just to holiday.

I know not everyone will have a criminal record but it would filter out many “wrong’uns” who come over.

My opinion on that has nothing to do with race before people jump at me.

What specifically is it in the Australian immigration rules that you would like the UK to adopt?

 

[Merpedy]

I know a couple of Romanians and my son worked with some in hospitality.
They absolutely despise the Roma. They are also embarrassed by them and feel they will be affected by negative misguided association.
Perhaps a lot of this hatred is born purely from racism, perhaps there’s an element of genuine distaste about how they choose to live their lives.
Either way, the local UK population is expected to wholeheartedly embrace the new community but the new community is not expected to change behaviours that led to them being despised in their country of origin.
I’m really not seeing how that’s expected to work.
Ok, integrate and assimilate, fine, but then that’s wrong too, as it’s ‘wanting to change the culture’.
I’m being a bit judgemental in my language, but I’m not sure how I can tone it down and still get my point across.

I suspect we will find that many people think of integration as assimilation and being white and Christian or otherwise non-religious

That ultimately means that some communities are automatically excluded from ever being seen as "British" even if they were born or have grown up here

Last night some people were making wild assumptions of Axel's family and their opinions on things, saying that he must have been radicalised and whatever

Just look at this Twitter post:


There's others like it too


I have many thoughts about the symbolism and the rhetoric around all of this too:
A) The British flags being flown by mostly white men at these protests. What message is that sending to anyone who is British but not white?

B) Britain is obviously one of the few countries that has the value to not murder people

 

[Ridder10]

My sister in law runs a weekly group at Spellow library for mums with kids with additional needs to come along and meet up, this is going to cause so much distress to them kids and their routines. I am disgusted that they have done this to our city, dirty horrible dragged up guys

I was at the library cleaning up at 2am. What I seen was unbelievable

 

[Telly Fanatic]

I’ve just caught up on this thread and I’m writing this to tell you that you’re a vile twit who needs to learn a lot more in life if you think all of this is acceptable. People like you belong in hell.

very cruel comment considering you know nothing about me and where have I said the riots are acceptable

 

[miss n thropy]

I suspect we will find that many people think of integration as assimilation and being white and Christian or otherwise non-religious

That ultimately means that some communities are automatically excluded from ever being seen as "British" even if they were born or have grown up here

Last night some people were making wild assumptions of Axel's family and their opinions on things, saying that he must have been radicalised and whatever

Just look at this Twitter post:


There's others like it too


I have many thoughts about the symbolism and the rhetoric around all of this too:
A) The British flags being flown by mostly white men at these protests. What message is that sending to anyone who is British but not white?

B) Britain is obviously one of the few countries that has the value to not murder people

The ones who keep saying this is a Christian country piss me off. Just because you eat Christmas dinner and Easter eggs doesn’t make you a Christian. I would love to know what their favourite Christian quotes are when they are trying to burn down a mosque.

 

[JSquared]

What specifically is it in the Australian immigration rules that you would like the UK to adopt?

I feel like whatever is say is going to get picked apart so first I will reiterate that my comment wasn’t targeted at race or anyone in particular. Just in general, be they come here for a holiday or to live.

For example, I think the visas you have to complete for both Australia and America are not a terrible idea. Anyone with a criminal background should be vetted etc. As I said, I know people will fall through the cracks so nothing is perfect but it’s a start.

 

[Merpedy]

The ones who keep saying this is a Christian country piss me off. Just because you eat Christmas dinner and Easter eggs doesn’t make you a Christian. I would love to know what their favourite Christian quotes are when they are trying to burn down a mosque.

Imo religion in the UK doesn't have as strong of a hold as it does in some Eastern European countries that are also Christian, so the point is always misses the mark for me

Granted, we all know that any form of religion can be taken to the extremes or be interpreted to exclude minorities

 

[monga]

 

[Nelly's mum]

It's easy because the rioters (those attacking random black and brown people, destroying property, looting and those just along for the ride, filming it on their phones) are "knuckle dragging oafs". The vast majority are racists but there are also those who welcome any opportunity for violence and thieving.

If they weren't "knuckle dragging oafs" they might be inclined to ask why "generally working class are are deprived to start with" but most of them 'feel the way they do' because for 50 years or more they and their parents have been told that the reason is because of black and brown people.

In the early days the people that told them this were unashamed facists, racists and far right Nazis - Combat 18, the National Front, BNP etc. The humiliation of Nick Griffin on Question Time made them realise that they had to change strategy if they ever wanted to gain real power. So over the years they have become more 'respectable', cloaking their aims behind mainstream political issues and increasingly supported by people motivated by opportunities that a right wing, authoritarian government would bring for their personal gain.

The rioters are simply the foot soldiers for those that want to achieve this, 'thick as mince' cannon fodder that can mobilised to destroy democracy and their own lives simply by someone pointing at somebody who looks different to them. It's not a new tactic, it's was used by the same sort of people 90 odd years ago and for hundreds of years before that. Unfortunately there are still too many people too stupid to learn the lessons of history and to the realise that yet again they are being played.

Thanks for your post - it is informative but you have cherry-picked points from my post to respond to.
I agree most of the rioters are not intellectual geniuses but why does the inclination to blame migrants strike a chord with them, rather than other political ideologies or propaganda?

Your reply comes across as rather patronising while still ignoring the reality of the impact of migration on deprived working-class areas; I am not justifying their actions but there are reasons why people feel the way they do.