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I knew that his parents had come here from Rwanda but I didn’t read that they were asylum seekers? Where is that from please? I thought they had legally migrated here but can’t be definite on that. It would seem quite ironic considering that the government has stated it is a safe country.
It seems that what you are saying is that these rioters are not concerned with these children at all, which I think we all know; lots of things have pissed me off over the many years I’ve been on this planet, primarily hideous misogynistic violence, but I would never consider going out assaulting police officers and terrifying the public.
He was a taxi driver and the wife a SAHM I didn’t think you could get a visa for that profession? Could be wrong.
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No, they’ve either come in on a lorry undetected or have been detected off a boat and then disappear.
They have to pay the smuggler back so are housed, paying the landlord, while their work pays the smuggler, eventually paying their debt and making their own money. Which is the goal. I’m not dissing the people who want to work, although I am dissing those who exploit them.
Builders get asked to do lots of things by lots of people.
It’s the asylum system I was referring to and the newspaper article .
 
It really is deeply unpleasant. I'm not shocked easily and I'm not even sure shocked is the right word but to be honest I'm almost lost for words at some of it.
I'll always remember queueing for a bus the day after the Brexit referendum - I was behind a mid 50s looking white man who was behind a black woman. The bus doors opened and she hesitated to walk onto the bus. The white man in front of me walked ahead and bumped into her, saying "Black witch". That's the first time I heard anything like that in public in London for years. Happened to be on another bus the next day and two old Spanish men were talking to each other in their own language. Another mid 50s looking white person gets on the bus, hears them talking and shouts at them, getting right in their faces saying "You're in England now, speak English".

People have felt emboldened since then to be racist and xenophobic again, not helped of course by the Tories progressively courting racism and xenophobia. Good for Starmer calling out the far right.
 
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I'll always remember queueing for a bus the day after the Brexit referendum - I was behind a mid 50s looking white man who was behind a black woman. The bus doors opened and she hesitated to walk onto the bus. The white man in front of me walked ahead and bumped into her, saying "Black witch". That's the first time I heard anything like that in public in London for years. Happened to be on another bus the next day and two old Spanish men were talking to each other in their own language. Another mid 50s looking white person gets on the bus, hears them talking and shouts at them, getting right in their faces saying "You're in England now, speak English".

People have felt emboldened since then to be racist and xenophobic again, not helped of course by the Tories progressively courting racism and xenophobia. Good for Starmer calling out the far right.
That's awful. I think one of the things that saddens me most is the complete lack of ability of people to put themselves in another person's shoes. Where's the empathy?
 
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He was a taxi driver and the wife a SAHM I didn’t think you could get a visa for that profession? Could be wrong.
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It’s the asylum system I was referring to and the newspaper article .
Whichever it was I‘m thinking is irrelevant to the violent rioters.

I can’t help but think though, everything that murderer has learned about hate, he’s learned here, either in person or on line.

The children, their parents and all the victims should be the focus at the moment, but they aren’t
 
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I believe otherwise. I find it too coincidental that he ended up at an event full of schoolgirls and a couple of women. Optimum damage, with a much less chance of being overpowered.
Not the sort of event where you a likely to find any men present.
You’d have to know where you were going as the Dance School is in an unobtrusive part of the town and down the back between houses where there are also other businesses….nothing random at all.
 
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Whichever it was I‘m thinking is irrelevant to the violent rioters.

I can’t help but think though, everything that murderer has learned about hate, he’s learned here, either in person or on line.

The children, their parents and all the victims should be the focus at the moment, but they aren’t
He seems to have been a hermit type so we know nothing of his home life or background.
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You’d have to know where you were going as the Dance School is in an unobtrusive part of the town and down the back between houses where there are also other businesses….nothing random at all.
Maybe he was familiar through his musical theatre association?
 
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I'll always remember queueing for a bus the day after the Brexit referendum - I was behind a mid 50s looking white man who was behind a black woman. The bus doors opened and she hesitated to walk onto the bus. The white man in front of me walked ahead and bumped into her, saying "Black witch". That's the first time I heard anything like that in public in London for years. Happened to be on another bus the next day and two old Spanish men were talking to each other in their own language. Another mid 50s looking white person gets on the bus, hears them talking and shouts at them, getting right in their faces saying "You're in England now, speak English".

People have felt emboldened since then to be racist and xenophobic again, not helped of course by the Tories progressively courting racism and xenophobia. Good for Starmer calling out the far right.
The thing is, this is what I don't get. People generally like homeostasis and the status quo. It's human nature to avoid conflict. The majority don't want this trouble. They don't want people to face tit because of the amount of melanin in their skin. They don't want their cities and towns to be set alight on a sunny Saturday. They don't want the police to be too busy in riot gear to deal with their 999 call. This is a minority view that's letting chaos win. It's weird.
 
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That's awful. I think one of the things that saddens me most is the complete lack of ability of people to put themselves in another person's shoes. Where's the empathy?
The UK on the whole is an empathic country, hence why there is a large amount of legal and illegal immigration. Sometimes the empathy can be suicidal.
 
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This is what happens when you pander to xenophobes/racists and don't call them out. They haven't been called out since 2016 - indeed, they're invited on to TV and radio a hell of a lot. The whole crux of Brexit was "your lives are poor because of those people coming over from the EU". That's how it was sold and how it was won. Milions of gullible people lapped it all up.

We've been subjected to hateful rhetoric on a daily basis, whether it's the Stop The Boats rit or the Rwanda scheme. Farage and the Tories have encouraged all of this, amplified by the mainly right wing media. Shame on them.
 
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Apologies…..Imam but that’s still a facetious unnecessary remark to a genuine observation.
i understand it feels personal but I just saw it as a bit of light hearted relief here and to be honest, making facetious remarks is one of the things we do best as a nation. So much better than meaningless violence x
 
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I can’t help but think though, everything that murderer has learned about hate, he’s learned here, either in person or on line.
I mentioned on another thread that I'd love to have a proper conversation about this without it being weaponised by morons, but given that his parents managed to escape a genocide, I think it could be more complex than that. Also given that the west are currently doing another genocide, it's going to be an ongoing issue. Very hard to talk about it sensitively on tattle though.
 
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I mentioned on another thread that I'd love to have a proper conversation about this without it being weaponised by morons, but given that his parents managed to escape a genocide, I think it could be more complex than that. Also given that the west are currently doing another genocide, it's going to be an ongoing issue. Very hard to talk about it sensitively on tattle though.
I think it can feel that way sometimes but to be fair I find most people here reasonable on the threads I choose to engage in, even the ones with different usually political opinions. I also find some threads a bit unhinged though.
 
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The UK on the whole is an empathic country, hence why there is a large amount of legal and illegal immigration. Sometimes the empathy can be suicidal.
There's nothing empathetic about racially abusing people on a bus.

Whist I do understand the point you're trying to make there's never any justification for making people like tit
 
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Seems he didn’t get a taxi directly to the dance studio .
 
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