Southport Attacks

[monga]

Terms such as fascist, narcissist, racist, complex PTSD, far right etc are being used inappropriately and incorrectly, daily.

We should be able to challenge political decisions which affect our lives without being labelled or placed in boxes.

A problem is that many people do not have a clue how the political system functions in this country, how to bring attention to an issue with either the civil servants or the MPs, councillors etc, how to offer potential solutions or get support to do so.

So, people seek to do so in a way that gets press attention. Over which there is zero control because our media and press have their own agendas (advertisers mainly) and, just like the police have suffered huge budget cuts, lack of training, and so on.

I am not far right nor racist. However, if the basic infrastructure of a country is struggling, or girls are being groomed and grape, or knife attacks are on the increase, or mental health crises are going unmonitored, you should be allowed to drill down and start to find the causes so you can treat the problems, without being labelled at all.

After all, how are we going to solve what is wrong if we do not know what is causing it because we aren't allowed to talk about it, for fear of upsetting somebody?

Perfect example of a grieving partner being labelled for expressing his disgust over the murder of his fiancée, media and state put countless people at risk before the murderer was apprehended by not issuing a proper description of the perp .

Ashling Murphy's boyfriend sues BBC for defamation | Irish Independent

archived 3 Aug 2024 09:57:30 UTC

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[Grifty Mc]

Why do you keep going on about George Floyd? I'm not sure he's been mentioned by anyone here other than you. I don't understand the relevance of people in America protesting against police brutality because a man was murdered on the pavement by a cop, and this.

I think I posted twice about it and it is more that when we were in lockdown we had massive protests about it and it wasn’t even something that affected us. Obviosuly it meant a lot to people but I don’t think he was worth trashing the place for either.
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Perfect example of a grieving partner being labelled for expressing his disgust over the murder of his fiancée, media and state put countless people at risk before the murderer was apprehended by not issuing a proper description of the perp .

Ashling Murphy's boyfriend sues BBC for defamation | Irish Independent

archived 3 Aug 2024 09:57:30 UTC

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I hope he gets a pay out as the way he was treated for not sticking to an accepted narrative was a disgrace.

 

[Telly Fanatic]

Setting fire to a Citizens Advice Bureau is really helpful for hard working people who probably are the ones who need that service the most.

the help will still be available just not in that particular building.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

These rioters are the weird end of a wider discontent.
Dismissing it or demonising it doesn’t mean it’s not there. You only have to look at the Reform vote to gauge the veracity of this.
The newly elected ‘Independent’ Muslim MPs are the other side of the same coin. Before the inevitable attack, I’d just like to highlight Shabana Mahmood’s experience of the viciousness of the campaign against her by an ‘Independent’ candidate, she needed bodyguards. Also Jess Philips, who was hounded and disrespected at every turn.
If this isn’t sectarian and factional I don’t know what is. Obviously there has to be at least 2 sides to create factions. This is the undercurrent IMO.
It’s obviously not the girls. Never has been.

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

I think I posted this on the wrong thread (or maybe I didn't post it at all??). Seen this and this is my take on all this too, I'm not diminishing these people's responsibility but we are all being manipulated, not just the far right. The last slide sums it all up.

 

[Pinklobster]

The trouble is, you’ll always get a core group of people, thugs, whatever you want to call them, who will piggyback a horrific event in order to cause mayhem. We see this regularly. Not many of those people out rioting are doing it for those little girls, or give two hoots about what happened, but will choose to riot because of underlying issues. It’s the proverbial spark which causes the fire, imo.

What we are seeing has multiple roots - increasing violence against women, increasing issues with anti social behaviour and knife crime, media rhetoric against immigration, increased incidents of rascism, cost of living, zero hours contracts and the strain this puts on working families, reduced mental health support, reduced availability to healthcare, housing issues, what is seen as two tier policing and the issues seen with police in recent years causing mistrust. This is all going into the melting pot, stirred up by the media, with a healthy dollop of increased stress and strain on normal people. It is being seen all over the world, not just the UK. People are angry.

Then an incident happens, like the one we have seen in Southport, and as I said before, it serves as a spark in a hayfield. In these riots, and I’m not justifying this in any way shape or form as I don’t believe this gets us anywhere, you are seeing angry people in communities who feel nothing else can be achieved other than rioting because every which way is blocked to them. You are also seeing thugs who love the chance to rip off their shirts and behave like pigs!

 

[lookwhatthecatdraggedin1]

Next up we have Manchester 🫠

 

[monga]

I think I posted twice about it and it is more that when we were in lockdown we had massive protests about it and it wasn’t even something that affected us. Obviosuly it meant a lot to people but I don’t think he was worth trashing the place for either.
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I hope he gets a pay out as the way he was treated for not sticking to an accepted narrative was a disgrace.

Typical Irish gov/ media the UK would get a real eye opener if they saw what people have to put up with south of the border.

 

[Pinklobster]

im hard working and upset but my solution wasn’t to go attacking mosques and immigrants. My parents are both children of immigrants so the fact that the upset is around immigrants repulses me. Evil comes in all shades so please explain what these hard working people are protesting? Too many immigrants? The same ones who prop up our under funded NHS and probably care for your grandparents in care homes.

I totally agree with you but many people don’t care to look at the statistics and instead just regurgitate what the red tops tell them. I live in a rural, agricultural, very Tory area, and I cannot tell you how many times people around here will post on social media or talk to each other about “immigrants coming here being given everything” without knowing a single fact about it, and without an ounce of critical thought. It’s frustrating, to say the least!

 

[Telly Fanatic]

Im in Glasgow and most new immigrants are not working (probably never will) and breed like rabbits.

Who's covering the cost

 

[Grifty Mc]

Im in Glasgow and most new immigrants are not working (probably never will) and breed like rabbits.

Who's covering the cost

You’re not allow to say that x

 

[Pinklobster]

Im in Glasgow and most new immigrants are not working (probably never will) and breed like rabbits.

Who's covering the cost

Breed like rabbits? Seriously?

But look, why are we punching down instead of looking up? Benefits is a contentious issue, I get that. But if you pay someone, let’s say £2000 per month. Where does it go? Rent/utilities/groceries/clothing/transport/toiletries/local pub etc etc. Therefore, every penny of that £2000 which has come out of “our pot” goes back in.
Whereas with the corporate tax dodgers, every penny goes off shore, and does not, in fact, trickle down.
It’s a moot point.

 

[Angleman]

I don’t think he’s planned to go into that building, he’s gone somewhere randomly and not paid a taxi so legged it into a building. He obviously planned to kill that day but I don’t think he had it in his head that it would be these kids at a Taylor Swift event

Well yeah. Why create the extra trouble / attention by not paying a taxi driver. If his focus was on murdering defenceless children then why upset a fully grown man (the driver) immediately before the killing spree

 

[MrsPiggleWiggle]

You can still be against police brutality and think policing needs reform while also understanding the importance of them on our streets

Well in that case it might be a good idea to not call them guys and pigs.

 

[Telly Fanatic]

Breed like rabbits? Seriously?

But look, why are we punching down instead of looking up? Benefits is a contentious issue, I get that. But if you pay someone, let’s say £2000 per month. Where does it go? Rent/utilities/groceries/clothing/transport/toiletries/local pub etc etc. Therefore, every penny of that £2000 which has come out of “our pot” goes back in.
Whereas with the corporate tax dodgers, every penny goes off shore, and does not, in fact, trickle down.
It’s a moot point.

Its crippling the schools ect. These people I mentioned the new immigrants are a drain on society.
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And they don't mix in the community.

 

[Wee Nora]

You’re not allow to say that x

Hmm I remember a certain Rev Ian Paisley saying something remarkably similar about Catholics in NI.

“They breed like rabbits and multiply like vermin”.

 

[Grifty Mc]

Well yeah. Why create the extra trouble / attention by not paying a taxi driver. If his focus was on murdering defenceless children then why upset a fully grown man (the driver) immediately before the killing spree

Obviously we don’t know the original taxi request but why would you get a taxi to a location where there just happened to be an event on with young girls. He could have got it to any other location for a killing spree. And apparently you had to go up the stairs to get there? That makes me think he knew exactly what he was doing
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Hmm I remember a certain Rev Ian Paisley saying something remarkably similar about Catholics in NI.

“They breed like rabbits and multiply like vermin”.

Sure youse are

 

[Pinklobster]

Its crippling the schools ect. These people I mentioned the new immigrants are a drain on society.
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And they don't mix in the community.

I hear you. But that’s not their problem, that’s an issue caused by underfunding and lack of infrastructure and solid thinking. If I emigrated to another country where I didn’t speak the language and knew no one, who would I look for? Others who spoke my language, looked like me, and were of a similar culture to mine. Why? Because it feels safe, because it’s a safety net. We are all the same in that regard. Hence why the Britis abroad enjoy the British bars and look for somewhere which does a good ole Sunday roast!

What’s the alternative? We recreate workhouses? We leave them to starve on the streets? Then their kids grow up to hate us and everything we represent?

Over 90% of immigration is legal. Without it, quite simply, our infrastructure, our health and social care sector, our supermarkets, and our agricultural industry, would collapse. There aren’t enough of “us” to do the job. What’s the answer?

 

[Angleman]

No one rioted about Lucy Letby The riots are not actually about the girls, it's been hijacked for a kicking off point.

Why do you think they didn't riot over Letby? @Futtrit

 

[Grifty Mc]

I hear you. But that’s not their problem, that’s an issue caused by underfunding and lack of infrastructure and solid thinking. If I emigrated to another country where I didn’t speak the language and knew no one, who would I look for? Others who spoke my language, looked like me, and were of a similar culture to mine. Why? Because it feels safe, because it’s a safety net. We are all the same in that regard. Hence why the Britis abroad enjoy the British bars and look for somewhere which does a good ole Sunday roast!

What’s the alternative? We recreate workhouses? We leave them to starve on the streets? Then their kids grow up to hate us and everything we represent?

Over 90% of immigration is legal. Without it, quite simply, our infrastructure, our health and social care sector, our supermarkets, and our agricultural industry, would collapse. There aren’t enough of “us” to do the job. What’s the answer?

Brits abroad are either independently wealthy or or are working though, they haven’t come straight over to claim benefits at the first opportunity.