What question are you asking? Or are you being obtuse on purpose
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@BaxterBillions gave a very specific question example. They were not saying that by asking any question automatically classes you as a fascist...
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They said ‘seemingly’ that has been asked which is different to people actually asking it. I have no doubt there will be people out who will cause distruction over the coming days but that doesn’t mean anyone who goes against a narrative is far right. And i would say the majority who go out to march are just working class people who probably don’t have the luxury to chat tit on tattle. I don’t want to see anyone hurt and hopefully it all dies down.
The minimisation and justification of this idiotic behaviour is crazy.
They're not "concerned" they're violent. They're working class, but so are the majority of people from ethnic minority backgrounds.
This might not be final level facism/far right behaviour/racism but it's on the same damn scale. Or should we wait for it to get more extreme before we call it what it is?
These fools are taking attention away from the victims, some of whom probably live in the very areas these dickheads are destroying.
These idiots are probably retraumatising them by subjecting them to more violence too.
They're not "concerned" they're violent. They're working class, but so are the majority of people from ethnic minority backgrounds.
This might not be final level facism/far right behaviour/racism but it's on the same damn scale. Or should we wait for it to get more extreme before we call it what it is?
These fools are taking attention away from the victims, some of whom probably live in the very areas these dickheads are destroying.
These idiots are probably retraumatising them by subjecting them to more violence too.
Terms such as fascist, narcissist, racist, complex PTSD, far right etc are being used inappropriately and incorrectly, daily.
We should be able to challenge political decisions which affect our lives without being labelled or placed in boxes.
A problem is that many people do not have a clue how the political system functions in this country, how to bring attention to an issue with either the civil servants or the MPs, councillors etc, how to offer potential solutions or get support to do so.
So, people seek to do so in a way that gets press attention. Over which there is zero control because our media and press have their own agendas (advertisers mainly) and, just like the police have suffered huge budget cuts, lack of training, and so on.
I am not far right nor racist. However, if the basic infrastructure of a country is struggling, or girls are being groomed and grape, or knife attacks are on the increase, or mental health crises are going unmonitored, you should be allowed to drill down and start to find the causes so you can treat the problems, without being labelled at all.
After all, how are we going to solve what is wrong if we do not know what is causing it because we aren't allowed to talk about it, for fear of upsetting somebody?
We should be able to challenge political decisions which affect our lives without being labelled or placed in boxes.
A problem is that many people do not have a clue how the political system functions in this country, how to bring attention to an issue with either the civil servants or the MPs, councillors etc, how to offer potential solutions or get support to do so.
So, people seek to do so in a way that gets press attention. Over which there is zero control because our media and press have their own agendas (advertisers mainly) and, just like the police have suffered huge budget cuts, lack of training, and so on.
I am not far right nor racist. However, if the basic infrastructure of a country is struggling, or girls are being groomed and grape, or knife attacks are on the increase, or mental health crises are going unmonitored, you should be allowed to drill down and start to find the causes so you can treat the problems, without being labelled at all.
After all, how are we going to solve what is wrong if we do not know what is causing it because we aren't allowed to talk about it, for fear of upsetting somebody?
You summed it up better than I would. Earlier I said person of colour instead of black because I thought this was the correct term to use and I apologised but probably next week there will be a different correct term to use.
Yes, and how many people who freely throw out the word "fascist" have ever read and understood that?
Fascists generally run the place, whether that is government, a workplace, a community.... The vast majority of people being labelled as fascists have no control over anything, especially elections, the media, etc listed above. Hence, the anger being displayed.
Discontented individuals with an axe to grind wishing their voices to be heard doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
It's obviously directed at people who are more extreme in their behaviour.
If someone has measured thinking and behaviour about similar issues, I'm not sure why they'd be worried about the use of the words.
Surely, they'd be able to make a distinction between themselves and people like the ones who are rioting or the politicians who encourage them?
That's a new way to describe the gammony fasch
It's that minimisation again. If you're setting fire to police stations and cars you've gone way past being "discontented".That's a new way to describe the gammony fasch
Everybody can be "extreme" in their views, and actions, if it a cause close to their hearts, that affects them directly, that they are passionate about.
Putting up fake speed cameras held by scarecrows to try to prevent road accidents and kids being run over near a school is extreme, and illegal, and caused by a failure by authorities to listen to reason, logic, concern etc. It doesn't make concerned parents and neighbours fascists.
That is a very mild example, but when politicians fail to read the room, inevitably the community is going to act eventually to try to solve an issue of local or national concern.
We don't educate people about Civics in the UK, so most people have no idea who to contact to get results. And the press and social media is full of conflicting info and advice.
These riots are due to uncontrolled and feral/viral misinformation being bandied around, especially in the first few hours after the tragic attack.
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Not minimising anything. We were talking about using the terms fascist, or right-wing, or racist without considering whether that label was appropriate, or just being used as a catch-all by idle and inflammatory journos seeking clicks.
I guess there should be some journo in Sunderland right now doing a vox pop about how each rioter voted in the recent general election to give a more accurate view of whether the term "far right" represents them? And if there isn't a party to throw their ballot at, maybe they should running as politicians instead of lobbing rocks?!
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duck sake. jk Rowling gets called fascist every other day of the week. The problem is the phrase gets thrown about so lightly that it is losing the actual meaning.
For some reason, you're conflating the extreme with the moderate. Even if you share similar views to someone, being labelled as racist, fascist or far right comes down to your attitude or behaviour. If you don't act that way then there's nothing to worry about.
There are people who probably have sound concerns about how the UK can cope with immigration or the impact of illegal migration but that's very different from being aggressive, offensive or discriminatory towards others.
Is it not?
You cannot simply label anybody aggressive as a fascist or far-right though, can you? Which is what is happening.
Except it's not what I said.
Depends on the basis of the aggression and who it's directed at.
Apart from the police, the rioters are being aggressive towards anyone non white and Muslim.
Including a mosque that donated to British war veterans and gave free meals to the community.
Not that anyone should suffer because of one person's actions but that's clear proof their anger is misdirected. Let's don't be obtuse.
www.thelondoneconomic.com/lifestyle/mosque-targetted-in-riots-has-given-25k-to-royal-british-legion-to-support-veterans-380278/amp/
And no, it's not what's happening. What's happening is people are getting hung up on semantics and worried about how they come across rather than acknowledging why they come across that way.
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It is what is happening though. People are mis-using labels. Whilst this may be viewed as simple semantics, we are now in a place where warnings are being issued on the most ridiculous things eg Katie swanky Price claiming you might develop PTSD from reading her latest book. Ffs.
Anybody protesting peacefully can end up labelled as a far-right demonstrator. Or a fascist. Or racist. Or extremist. And that has consequences, both for the individual and for society when we blithely bandy about such terms.
If the aim is to discourage folk from freedom of speech, which of course can be demonstrated with non-violent protest etc, I would say it is working.
The fact that a bunch of extras from Idiocracy have not even allowed a respectful period of grieving to elapse says more about their IQ and upbringing than their ideology.
These riots are surely not as simple as "bunch of fascists who self-organised on TG nip out to burn down a police station between rounds in their far-right pub."?
Imvho, we should be allowed to address what the issues are without casually thrown-out and ill-thoughtout and oftentimes wrong terminology being used to brush tar on every person trying to speak out.
Yes, I do understand the point about rioting etc. However, there is a point to be made that in the current democracy that is the UK, it is very difficult to get past gatekeepers and the seemingly endemic corruption to actually solve critical problems in society for all stakeholders.
The result, plus very rare summer weather that other countries take for granted, and a catalyst such as this tragic event, is a spark in a perfect storm.
You've gone off on a massive tangent. I've explained more than once that it's not about tarring everyone with the same brush.
And in fact, who really cares if we're labelling people correctly when they're out there disrespecting the memories of 3 little girls by causing chaos and destruction?
They're taking the focus off the rum who killed them as well.
Calling them racists or fascists is too kind actually.
I agree we have gone off on a tangent and this is perhaps separate to the main issue of the attacks but people are upset and annoyed at everything being labelled far right. There are some planned to protest today in NI and it has already been described as a riot and not a protest and that is before anyone has even shown up.
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