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Lucy Powell?
There is no sane or sensible question to which Lucy Powell is a reasonable answer.

On the other hand, if the question is "Would you agree that Britain really needs right now is to be run by a posh smooth-brained wet blanket who talks in empty girlboss platitudes and thinks that there's no contradiction between 'muh feminism' and letting burly fellas in dresses enter female spaces?" - if that's the question, then congratulations, Lucy is indeed the answer! Your prize is a total collapse of sterling and a savage haircut on govt bonds, ushering in a financial crisis of the level that caused the Greek economy to contract by 25% in 2010. What’s that you’re saying? You don’t like your prize because now you can’t access your prescription meds and the cash machines are all closed?

Ah well, play stupid games, win stupid prizes!
 
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Would be chaos if a GE was called with these latest predictions from electoral calculus (of course two weeks old before this but still):

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Your prize is a total collapse of sterling and a savage haircut on govt bonds, ushering in a financial crisis of the level that caused the Greek economy to contract by 25% in 2010. What’s that you’re saying? You don’t like your prize because now you can’t access your prescription meds and the cash machines are all closed?
So many people just aren't aware of how bad it can get so quickly because their country was relatively fine during the last crash (which wasn't ever resolved and the problems have snowballed).

Someone like Big Ange, who is perfectly suited to being a union rep, could cause devastation in a matter of weeks.

Obviously Erdogan is very different to Ange, but still:
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Although the UK wishes it had the political stability that Greece enjoys these days!
 
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RE streeting, apparently there is some connection between mandelson's lobbying org (Global Counsel) and Wes Streeting. This could be a savvy move by Kier Starmer if he knows theres not much in the text messages \ emails from himself, but is for Streeting (who has really been his main challenger, apart from Burnham)

All just rumours though.
Yeah I read some articles about how Wes deleted pics of him with Mandelson yesterday. I’m disappointed. I thought Wes was a good guy.

What is it with the British Labour Party’s obsession with helping and protecting pedalos? Harriet Harman supported the Pedalo Information Exchange in the 1970s, the Northern MPs spent decades covering up for the grooming gangs, Labour as a whole tied themselves closely to the TQ+ which is pedalo adjacent (eg the head of Surrey Pride), and now Peter Mandelson who Starmer knew was in bed with Epstein when he made him US ambassador.

This isn’t a trolling question I’m genuinely curious as to what in Leftist philosophy enables this. It’s very prominent because if you look at New Left Progressivism, a lot of it’s based on Foucault who was an out and proud pedalo. I mean I know Leninist and Stalinist theory tended to deny or minimise the existence of childhood as a separate category but that’s more because they needed citizens to enter the workforce asap and get indoctrinated asap. The pedalo loving thing tho just seems to rear itself almost constantly with the Left.
 
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So many people just aren't aware of how bad it can get so quickly because their country was relatively fine during the last crash (which wasn't ever resolved and the problems have snowballed).

Someone like Big Ange, who is perfectly suited to being a union rep, could cause devastation in a matter of weeks.

Obviously Erdogan is very different to Ange, but still:
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Although the UK wishes it had the political stability that Greece enjoys these days!
My sister in Christ of course no country thinks it’s gonna happen to them, Greece didn’t think it would happen to them they thought the EU would protect them rather than stab and twist the knife.

I had relatives in tears on the phone to me every night and when I went to Athens during the crisis there were middle class well educated people on the streets. MIDDLE CLASS AND WELL EDUCATED. They elected a far left party, the bond market shat the bed, Angela Merkel said “sorry fren I can’t help you” and the economy face planted into an Olympic sized swimming pool for of Scheisse.

The Labour Party would surely not to be so stupid as to elect a far left leader exactly as the Greeks did?

What am I talking about? Of course they’re that stupid.
 
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Oh.
So embarrassing for Labour, not politically exploitable, but not a single thought for any of the victims.
 
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Yeah I read some articles about how Wes deleted pics of him with Mandelson yesterday. I’m disappointed. I thought Wes was a good guy.

What is it with the British Labour Party’s obsession with helping and protecting pedalos? Harriet Harman supported the Pedalo Information Exchange in the 1970s, the Northern MPs spent decades covering up for the grooming gangs, Labour as a whole tied themselves closely to the TQ+ which is pedalo adjacent (eg the head of Surrey Pride), and now Peter Mandelson who Starmer knew was in bed with Epstein when he made him US ambassador.

This isn’t a trolling question I’m genuinely curious as to what in Leftist philosophy enables this. It’s very prominent because if you look at New Left Progressivism, a lot of it’s based on Foucault who was an out and proud pedalo. I mean I know Leninist and Stalinist theory tended to deny or minimise the existence of childhood as a separate category but that’s more because they needed citizens to enter the workforce asap and get indoctrinated asap. The pedalo loving thing tho just seems to rear itself almost constantly with the Left.
And why support terrorists? That and pdfiles. It seems far from the labour of old, the working class.
 
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And why support terrorists? That and pdfiles. It seems far from the labour of old, the working class.
As far as I can tell from my reading the transition took place in the 1980s when the Left in UK and US lost the working classes because they were no longer looking after their interests. And the Labour Party from that point on because increasingly made up of wealthy graduates, you can see this in the latest figures, its most posh wealthy people (usually educated beyond their natural ability) who vote and join Labour now. So the Left became more of an unstable coalition based on opposition to the US, meaning that any country no matter how repressive, theocratic or terrorist-funding, was to be supported (hence their glazing of Iran and Irans various terrorist satellites like Hamas).

And of course they’re pulled in lots of other mutually incompatible cohorts such as TQ+, recent migrants etc etc.

But the Left find it difficult to hide their inherent cultural snobbery and bigotry which is why they keep having mask slip moments like the rage amongst Liberal America that Black and Latino men voted Trump.

I mean, the Left likes to pretend they’re the good guys while dismantling women’s rights, supporting extremist death cults and calling dissenters bigots and racists.

It would all be quite funny, if it weren’t so horribly serious.

Oh yeah and also: the Left can’t meme. I mean, they never seem to have a sense of humour. This is something else I don’t get? Why is it that when the Left try to shitpost and meme, it’s a clenchingly cringy? Just, why???
 
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Can't archive this article.

FML! It's a desperate situation when a twit like Lammy is distancing himself!

Those close to the Prime Minister say he is agonising over his own future, see-sawing between anger and self-reproach

There was at least one modicum of good news for a Prime Minister staring down the end of his career.
Sir Keir Starmer’s beloved Arsenal saw off Sunderland by three goals to nil on Saturday afternoon – but pictured among the crowd, the Prime Minister appeared unable to hide his inner turmoil.
He looked pensive. And little wonder.
His position as leader was further called into question on Saturday when David Lammy, the Deputy Prime Minister, became the first Cabinet minister to distance himself from the Prime Minister amid the unfurling Lord Mandelson scandal, insisting he had told Sir Keir not to bring back the disgraced spin doctor.

To rub salt in the wound, in Gorton and Denton, two of the Labour leader’s greatest political opponents – Angela Rayner and Andy Burnham – put on a conspicuous show of unity.
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Angela Rayner and Andy Burnham, pictured at the Labour Party conference in Brighton, on Saturday appeared together in Gorton and Denton campaigning for the forthcoming by-election Credit: Eddie Mulholland for The Telegraph
It marked their first public appearance together since Mr Burnham was blocked from standing as an MP in the forthcoming by-election by Starmer loyalists.
They are expected to sit on a panel together next week – another sign of their “closeness”.
Sir Keir’s grip on the leadership looked weaker by the hour, as Labour MPs welcomed the show of force from those thought to be moving against him.
One described it as “good” to see Ms Rayner and Mr Burnham out and about together, with another saying “they have always been really close”.

Meanwhile, Lord Mandelson looked like he was preparing to fight back against the looming police investigation into whether his sharing of sensitive government intelligence with Jeffery Epstein constitutes misconduct in a public office.
A top white collar crime defence lawyer was seen entering the former US ambassador’s Regents Park home.
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Adrian Darbishire KC, a ‘heavy-hitting’ defence barrister who specialises in white-collar crime, was seen at Lord Mandelson’s London home Credit: Leon Neal/Getty Images

With rivals circling and allies wavering, the Prime Minister now has a choice to make.
Does he fight on, even in the face of the bleakest of outcomes, or fall on his own sword?
Those close to him are saying the Prime Minister is agonising over his own future.
In private it is reported he is see-sawing between anger and self-reproach after acknowledging he took Lord Mandelson’s word that he “barely knew” Jeffrey Epstein at face value. And all without properly interrogating the former ambassador, despite publicly available evidence concerning his links to the disgraced paedophile billionaire.
One Labour MP and long-time friend of Sir Keir said he is “absolutely devastated” about the unfolding crisis.
“He will be incredibly angry, he will accept himself that it’s his fault – because it is – and he will be regretting allowing McSweeney to be the interviewer of Mandelson.
“Keir might be really mit at politics but honestly he is a very, very decent man.”
That decency may not be enough.

Among MPs, the mood is increasingly unforgiving. One Labour backbencher described the Labour party as a “mess”.
“The anger on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday was palpable,” they said. “There was a lot of talk last night that Morgan McSweeney was going to go. But the Prime Minister is still fighting for McSweeney’s survival which is completely tone deaf.”
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More than three-quarters of a Survation poll of Labour members believe Sir Keir’s chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, should leave his job Credit: Tayfun Salci

Karl Turner, the Labour MP and vocal critic of the Government’s judicial reforms, warned Sir Keir that sacking Mr McSweeney was the only way to save himself.
“Keir Starmer is in a terribly difficult position. But I don’t think taking bad advice from a bad adviser is a capital offence.
“However, if he hangs on to his chief of staff beyond the Gorton and Denton by-election results on Feb 26 then his position becomes untenable.
“To recover, Sir Keir needs to sack McSweeney and then bring in Gordon Brown, begging on your knees if you have to, to come and advise on cleaning up politics.”
It is clear that MPs want blood.

Many are tired of Starmer deflecting responsibility and not owning up to his mistake with one backbencher saying “he’ll always find someone, other than himself, to blame”.
Another Labour MP was blunter still, telling The Telegraph: “I think we are in the s--t quite deeply. Most people in the Parliamentary Labour Party now are of the mind that Starmer is finished.
“The PM has relied on terrible advice. Ministers decide and advisers advise. The responsibility in consequence is in the Prime Minister’s hands.”
On Thursday Rachael Maskell, the former Labour MP for York Central, who now sits as an independent, said the party needed to “move forward” to gain back support.
“I don’t believe we can have the PM in place – it is inevitable that the PM is going to have to step down,” she said.
Ms Maskell later said that she believed the future of the Labour Party should be put first and, if this was not recoverable, then Sir Keir’s position was untenable.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ut-clear-favourite-who-could-replace-starmer/

Graham Stringer, Labour MP for Blackley and Middleton South, said the Prime Minister was “finished” when he appeared on GB News. He added: “It’s embarrassing some of the policy documents that have gone out and some of the policy decisions.”
Even loyalists like Jack Abbott, Labour MP for Ipswich, has acknowledged that last week was “arguably the most challenging since coming into power”. But he later insisted that the Labour Party should prioritise policy over infighting.
On Saturday morning, Sir Keir was spotted with his wife at a synagogue, looking subdued. Perhaps the battered leader was searching for spiritual guidance; even salvation.
Either way, patience within the Parliamentary Labour Party has evaporated.
With rivals circling, allies distancing themselves and the party demanding accountability, the Prime Minister is facing the greatest political battle of his life.
Short of divine intervention, many MPs believe his fate is already sealed.
 
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No one sensible would want the job of running the country.

You'd have to accept it's a managed decline now that the west can't exploit people paid 10 cents an hour to produce cheap food, the pyramid system is collapsing, demographics are awful, debt is a time bomb, white collar jobs are being replaced at a rapid rate.

No one would vote for anyone telling the truth. So we end up with all these people making big promises about fixing the unfixable.

The best anyone can do is to gradually manage it all. Big Ange and her big ideas will spell big trouble.
 
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No one sensible would want the job of running the country.

You'd have to accept it's a managed decline now that the west can't exploit people paid 10 cents an hour to produce cheap food, the pyramid system is collapsing, demographics are awful, debt is a time bomb, white collar jobs are being replaced at a rapid rate.

No one would vote for anyone telling the truth. So we end up with all these people making big promises about fixing the unfixable.

The best anyone can do is to gradually manage it all. Big Ange and her big ideas will spell big trouble.
Hard agree. We’ve been in decline since 1945 or 1918 depending on which historical argument you sympathise with (personally I place the commencement of decline at the Second Boer War, and the loss of pretty much all the junior officer class at the Somme cemented it).

Since then we’ve been coasting on cheap debt, sterling devaluation and the wonderful structures built by Great British statesmen of centuries past. But you can only coast for so long on the shoulders of long dead giants, as Yeats wrote, “Things fall apart / The centre cannot hold.”

Civilisations rise and fall, that is the way of things. We Greeks know this better than anyone - whenever I go to see family I am physically surrounded by the ruins of a glorious past. It’s the same for Britain. It could be made easier and more humane by:

1. Protecting our borders better
2. Fixing the welfare state
3. Junking the NHS for a mixed model - those who can pay must pay
4. Instituting an infrastructure, AI and house building plan which serves Britons rather than the fever dreams of Greta Thunberg

But as you rightly say @Yel these things would require speaking the truth to the British public and setting up a decades long programme which doesn’t suit five year electoral cycles, tbf Plato pointed out this fundamental flaw in democracy 2,500 years ago, he said it encourages short termism and lying.

FWIW I think the British public knows the truth and yearns for our leaders to speak it to us. Brits are not cowards, they heard (most of) the truth from Churchill in 1940 and they knuckled down. (Which was far braver than the Greek PM who in 1940 when the Nazis marched into Athens, locked himself in his study and put a bullet through his brain.)

It’s a great tragedy that Britain’s pusillanimous leaders are not fit to serve the public.
 
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Hard agree. We’ve been in decline since 1945 or 1918 depending on which historical argument you sympathise with (personally I place the commencement of decline at the Second Boer War, and the loss of pretty much all the junior officer class at the Somme cemented it).

Since then we’ve been coasting on cheap debt, sterling devaluation and the wonderful structures built by Great British statesmen of centuries past. But you can only coast for so long on the shoulders of long dead giants, as Yeats wrote, “Things fall apart / The centre cannot hold.”

Civilisations rise and fall, that is the way of things. We Greeks know this better than anyone - whenever I go to see family I am physically surrounded by the ruins of a glorious past. It’s the same for Britain. It could be made easier and more humane by:

1. Protecting our borders better
2. Fixing the welfare state
3. Junking the NHS for a mixed model - those who can pay must pay
4. Instituting an infrastructure, AI and house building plan which serves Britons rather than the fever dreams of Greta Thunberg

But as you rightly say @Yel these things would require speaking the truth to the British public and setting up a decades long programme which doesn’t suit five year electoral cycles, tbf Plato pointed out this fundamental flaw in democracy 2,500 years ago, he said it encourages short termism and lying.

FWIW I think the British public knows the truth and yearns for our leaders to speak it to us. Brits are not cowards, they heard (most of) the truth from Churchill in 1940 and they knuckled down. (Which was far braver than the Greek PM who in 1940 when the Nazis marched into Athens, locked himself in his study and put a bullet through his brain.)

It’s a great tragedy that Britain’s pusillanimous leaders are not fit to serve the public.
Excellent post. If you don't mind me asking, I did see in another of your posts somewhere that you mentioned sorting out the West Lothian question. How would you go about this?
 
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Hard agree. We’ve been in decline since 1945 or 1918 depending on which historical argument you sympathise with (personally I place the commencement of decline at the Second Boer War, and the loss of pretty much all the junior officer class at the Somme cemented it).

Since then we’ve been coasting on cheap debt, sterling devaluation and the wonderful structures built by Great British statesmen of centuries past. But you can only coast for so long on the shoulders of long dead giants, as Yeats wrote, “Things fall apart / The centre cannot hold.”

Civilisations rise and fall, that is the way of things. We Greeks know this better than anyone - whenever I go to see family I am physically surrounded by the ruins of a glorious past. It’s the same for Britain. It could be made easier and more humane by:

1. Protecting our borders better
2. Fixing the welfare state
3. Junking the NHS for a mixed model - those who can pay must pay
4. Instituting an infrastructure, AI and house building plan which serves Britons rather than the fever dreams of Greta Thunberg

But as you rightly say @Yel these things would require speaking the truth to the British public and setting up a decades long programme which doesn’t suit five year electoral cycles, tbf Plato pointed out this fundamental flaw in democracy 2,500 years ago, he said it encourages short termism and lying.

FWIW I think the British public knows the truth and yearns for our leaders to speak it to us. Brits are not cowards, they heard (most of) the truth from Churchill in 1940 and they knuckled down. (Which was far braver than the Greek PM who in 1940 when the Nazis marched into Athens, locked himself in his study and put a bullet through his brain.)

It’s a great tragedy that Britain’s pusillanimous leaders are not fit to serve the public.
I was saying the other day when I saw how amazing the Clifton Suspension bridge is from an engineering and architectural point of view, and that if it ever collapsed our government would 1) not have the funds to replace it like for like 2) not really have the knowledge on how to replace it like for like 3) not have the physical man power to replace ot like for like.
Our infrastructure is mostly Victorian and is crumbling with wear and tear but hasn't really been maintained. We don't and can't build buildings like the Natural History Museum from scratch anymore. The materials and labour forces would just not be possible. Railways built by navvies.

Buildings now are prefabricated things with glass frontages. There's no craft.

We don't produce our own stuff anymore and so we are utterly dependent on the ability to buy from other countries. But what happens when our country's purse is finally empty and we can't borrow?

And those in charge right now are hastily trying to paper over the cracks pretending we are industrious when really we are not.
 
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Excellent post. If you don't mind me asking, I did see in another of your posts somewhere that you mentioned sorting out the West Lothian question. How would you go about this?
ducked if I know, I’m not a constitutional expert. But of the various solutions put forward by actual experts I think EVEL (English votes for English laws) or full federalism seem most sensible. The latter would be v expensive and would probably have to come with a commitment NOT to bail Scotland or Wales out in the case of these countries undergoing financial collapse. Which, given that Wales requiring a bailout would probably take place approximately, oh, let’s say SEVENTY TWO HOURS after federalism took effect, would not be shall we say, politically palatable for Welsh and Scottish MPs.

Having said that one could make the argument that having a failed state directly to one’s west would be far more expensive in terms of handling the sheer number of refugees swarming across, as you know West Germany coped with it barely, only by dint of being very economically successful at the time and because the East German migrant was largely young and healthy, which the Welsh, tragically and after decade of Labour neglect, are not.

Federalism would also require a high number of very able, willing and unselfish Scottish and Welsh politicians to lead their countries. Having lived in South Wales for many years I can say that sadly the Welsh, being a hardy, community minded and entrepreneurial people, have been failed horribly by their harmless leaders.
 
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I was saying the other day when I saw how amazing the Clifton Suspension bridge is from an engineering and architectural point of view, and that if it ever collapsed our government would 1) not have the funds to replace it like for like 2) not really have the knowledge on how to replace it like for like 3) not have the physical man power to replace ot like for like.
It'll be a struggle just to keep it operational for the next 50 years imo.

Look at Hammersmith bridge, it was closed 7 years ago! Open now to pedestrians and cycles but still a major artery for vehicles closed.
 
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No one sensible would want the job of running the country.

You'd have to accept it's a managed decline now that the west can't exploit people paid 10 cents an hour to produce cheap food, the pyramid system is collapsing, demographics are awful, debt is a time bomb, white collar jobs are being replaced at a rapid rate.

No one would vote for anyone telling the truth. So we end up with all these people making big promises about fixing the unfixable.

The best anyone can do is to gradually manage it all. Big Ange and her big ideas will spell big trouble.
Im just coming back to life after the flu, and when I saw Big Ange, for a second I thought you meant Postecoglou. Rather worryingly I also thought well, he might be ok, what’s the worst he could do.
 
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ducked if I know, I’m not a constitutional expert. But of the various solutions put forward by actual experts I think EVEL (English votes for English laws) or full federalism seem most sensible. The latter would be v expensive and would probably have to come with a commitment NOT to bail Scotland or Wales out in the case of these countries undergoing financial collapse. Which, given that Wales requiring a bailout would probably take place approximately, oh, let’s say SEVENTY TWO HOURS after federalism took effect, would not be shall we say, politically palatable for Welsh and Scottish MPs.

Having said that one could make the argument that having a failed state directly to one’s west would be far more expensive in terms of handling the sheer number of refugees swarming across, as you know West Germany coped with it barely, only by dint of being very economically successful at the time and because the East German migrant was largely young and healthy, which the Welsh, tragically and after decade of Labour neglect, are not.

Federalism would also require a high number of very able, willing and unselfish Scottish and Welsh politicians to lead their countries. Having lived in South Wales for many years I can say that sadly the Welsh, being a hardy, community minded and entrepreneurial people, have been failed horribly by their harmless leaders.
I can honestly say that there are no able, willing and unselfish Scottish politicians. Years ago I supported devolution/federalsim, but now I think we need fewer politicians, not more.
I wonder if Labour will ever lose it's iron grip on Wales?
 
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