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Miss Begotten

Miss Begotten

This is the absolute last thing that should happen.
Tice wants people on benefits to be “forced” to take care jobs or lose their benefits. Because disgruntled people who are at work under duress re just the ones we want looking after our most vulnerable members of society.
 
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HelloStereo

HelloStereo

Miss Begotten said:
This is the absolute last thing that should happen.
Tice wants people on benefits to be “forced” to take care jobs or lose their benefits. Because disgruntled people who are at work under duress re just the ones we want looking after our most vulnerable members of society.
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Reform put it in their manifesto that they would stop benefits after four or so months if someone hasn't found work by then. I guess they'll try and funnel people into care or fruit picking.
 
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Rayne

Rayne

Miss Begotten said:
This is the absolute last thing that should happen.
Tice wants people on benefits to be “forced” to take care jobs or lose their benefits. Because disgruntled people who are at work under duress re just the ones we want looking after our most vulnerable members of society.
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A lot of people on benefits require care themselves, how are they meant to care for others when they can’t even care for themselves? Jesus wept
 
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Miss Begotten

Miss Begotten

HelloStereo said:
Reform put it in their manifesto that they would stop benefits after four or so months if someone hasn't found work by then. I guess they'll try and funnel people into care or fruit picking.
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Fruit picking is hard physical labour. Social care is a very demanding, difficult profession and you need a very special type of person to do it well.
People on benefits aren’t just one homogeneous group. There are older people, people with addiction issues, people with disabilities and plenty of people I frankly wouldn’t want with 100 miles of the care sector. And what happens if the farmers/care home managers don’t want to employ a bunch of reluctant workers? It’s just ridiculous.
 
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HelloStereo

HelloStereo

Miss Begotten said:
Fruit picking is hard physical labour. Social care is a very demanding, difficult profession and you need a very special type of person to do it well.
People on benefits aren’t just one homogeneous group. There are older people, people with addiction issues, people with disabilities and plenty of people I frankly wouldn’t want with 100 miles of the care sector. And what happens if the farmers/care home managers don’t want to employ a bunch of reluctant workers? It’s just ridiculous.
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I know. I don't think many would argue Reform have robust, well thought out policies though.
 
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HelloStereo

HelloStereo

TheMiceInTheShed said:
I think they should have given him a crime number like they do for everybody else, so he could get in touch with his insurance company.
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It was suspected arson. One of the residents was led out by firefighters with breathing apparatus.

They didn't steal his mobile phone on a bicycle.
 
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kev1974

kev1974

Certainly some interesting stories floating around about this Roman Lavrynovych fella that's alledged to have firebombed Sir Keith's old car and two properties.

He's very good looking for someone who's alleged to have turned arsonist.

Will be an interesting trial, if it's not utterly buried behind closed doors.
 
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Miss Begotten

Miss Begotten

kev1974 said:
Certainly some interesting stories floating around about this Roman Lavrynovych fella that's alledged to have firebombed Sir Keith's old car and two properties.

He's very good looking for someone who's alleged to have turned arsonist.

Will be an interesting trial, if it's not utterly buried behind closed doors.
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What? So only weird people are arsonists? 🙄
 
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Ni Idea

HelloStereo said:
Reform put it in their manifesto that they would stop benefits after four or so months if someone hasn't found work by then. I guess they'll try and funnel people into care or fruit picking.
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In Spain, unemployment benefit payments are accrued when you start working. You accrue days (don't ask me how it's calculated, lol!) which you are then entitled to, up to a limit of 2 years. Once you've used it up, you get nothing; however, you are still classed as unemployed for the statistics, and you still have access to the same free courses and training and help to find a job, etc. It's fair because everyone knows what the deal is, you don't get this never-ending crap like the UK where people sit on benefits for their entire life. It stops that social disfunction.
You get 80% of your gross salary up to a maximum of around 1100 euros a month.
It's fair, it's transparent, and it encourages socially responsible behaviour!
Edit: also, this means the unemployment stats are accurate here and not massaged by politicians like in the UK!
 
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HelloStereo

HelloStereo

Ni Idea said:
In Spain, unemployment benefit payments are accrued when you start working. You accrue days (don't ask me how it's calculated, lol!) which you are then entitled to, up to a limit of 2 years. Once you've used it up, you get nothing; however, you are still classed as unemployed for the statistics, and you still have access to the same free courses and training and help to find a job, etc. It's fair because everyone knows what the deal is, you don't get this never-ending crap like the UK where people sit on benefits for their entire life. It stops that social disfunction.
You get 80% of your gross salary up to a maximum of around 1100 euros a month.
It's fair, it's transparent, and it encourages socially responsible behaviour!
Edit: also, this means the unemployment stats are accurate here and not massaged by politicians like in the UK!
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Don't you quality for "Unemployment Subsidy" or the "Active Insertion Benefit" (RAI) once your contributions based benefits end if you're long-term unemployed in Spain?
 
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