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NeverEnough

Of course they were. What kind of a woman just kicks back and let’s her husband rape children? The victim blaming that I found from the partners of the guilty animals in this group was off the scale.

Who was in the Newcastle grooming gang, how did Operation Sanctuary snare the child sex ring and what has the review found?

EVIL members of a child sex grooming network who abused girls as young as 14 in Newcastle are behind bars following a huge – but controversial – investigation by Northumbria Police. Ope…
www.thesun.co.uk

Quite literally believing that 12 year old girls were sexual minxes who entrapped their otherwise morally incorruptible husbands and sons with their seductive wiles. And this is no exaggeration.

Of course once the activists got involved these women were “nuanced” into victims as well…..
 
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So the peak of deprivations occurred from 2016 onwards, right about the time that Islamic state was starting to be defeated and the true extent of the number of British citizens who had committed treason and joined a proscribed terrorist organisation was becoming known.

Timeline: the Rise, Spread, and Fall of the Islamic State

At its height, the Islamic State - also known as ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh - held about a third of Syria and 40 percent of Iraq. By December 2017 it had lost 95 percent of its territory, including its two biggest properties, Mosul, Iraq's second largest city, and the northern Syrian city of Raqqa...
www.wilsoncenter.org

Seems to me that the policy was being used in exactly the way it was intended. And once again I would point out that the vast majority of those deprivations were still of people who had gained British citizenship through fraud. And surely we don’t think that a fraudster should benefit from the fruits of his fraud without consequence, and that therefore the government is acting correctly. Or is the prosecution of fraud now regarded as Far Right Extremism?

And even if we assume the remainder were all ISIS members then if having 200 odd radicalised, hate filled, terrorist trained religious bigots walking free in the U.K. isn’t a national security issue I’m at a loss as to what is.

Unless of course you wish to argue that they all should be bought back and that the violence and religious bigotry can be talked out if them by sitting in a circle and discussing feelings? Sort of an ISIS Anonymous.
 
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Droosie123

Tnis is why I sit very much on the fence with Shamima Begum, we don’t know what her beliefs are now. Had things remained static under ISIS would she want to come back, my guess is no.
 
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Droosie123 said:
Tnis is why I sit very much on the fence with Shamima Begum, we don’t know what her beliefs are now. Had things remained static under ISIS would she want to come back, my guess is no.
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My guess is no as well. In fact my guess is that if history had worked out differently and ISIS had prevailed Shamima Begum would currently be sat behind a computer in Raqqa communicating via social media with young girls carrying out exactly the same recruitment procedures that her legal representatives are so desperate for us to believe happened to her. And her kids, had they survived would be about 10 and probably just about to enter their first tranche of training to be Jihadi Warriors.

And from what I’ve seen Shamima’s beliefs seem to be whatever beliefs would be most advantageous to securing her freedom at any given time. They have ranged from I regret nothing, to I was just a housewife, to I did nothing, to I can help the UK government with information (how if you did nothing and know nothing?), to I love and miss my husband and want to live with him, to I was sexually trafficked, to the current I’m the TRUE victim here. The good thing about these threads is that most of those statements are recorded for prosperity.

In short Shamima Begum is almost a text book sociopath.
 
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monga

Droosie123 said:
Tnis is why I sit very much on the fence with Shamima Begum, we don’t know what her beliefs are now. Had things remained static under ISIS would she want to come back, my guess is no.
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It takes a certain type of person to find joy in beheadings, burning people alive and torture
 
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Moth

I agree the policy is being used in exactly the way that it was intended. British citizens having their citizenship revoked without due process and while out of the country thus effectively permanently expelling them from the UK and diminishing their ability to mount a successful appeal. The government of the day denied that this was the intention of the legislation and in order to garner the necessary Parliamentary support gave assurances that the power would rarely be used and that there would be a right to full appeals through the UK courts with legal aid if required. That, despite some people's preference to deny Shamima Begum that right, is why we are where we are today. I haven't offered a personal opinion of whether the policy is right or wrong but I note that the International Law Commission has established that states shall not deprive citizenship with the sole purpose of expulsion and I don't follow the current trend to want to breach or scrap international law at every opportunity.
 
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