Shamima Begum #2

[Deeznutslol]

This case is so crazy and I genuinely don’t know what to believe anymore.
I think the only solution really is for her to be tried and imprisoned for her crimes (if found guilty of any) in Syria, and then she should come back to the UK and be dealt with here.
Despite what she has done, I just can’t get my head around the idea of taking away the citizenship from a naturally born British citizen and leaving them stateless either. I don’t think it’s fair to make her the lifelong problem of any other country, she was born and radicalized in Britain, therefore she is Britain’s problem to deal with.

 

[NeverEnough]

Latest appeal rejected on all counts.

Shamima Begum loses bid to regain UK citizenship

Court of Appeal wholly rejects Ms Begum's arguments, meaning the 24-year-old must remain in Syria.

www.bbc.co.uk

They will "fight on" apparently. I would be fascinated to know who is funding these endless appeals.

For the moment at least though I will just say this.

Rot in your own consequences terrorist. And religious bigot.

 

[annanuttall]

She's no longer a UK citizen - she lost that right when she ran off to join ISIS. As far as I'm concerned, she no longer belongs in the UK.
She made her bed - now she has to lie in it. Hash, but true.

 

[NeverEnough]

Ah yes Farage who excuses his hateful rhetoric as a teen with “but I was young”. Double standards when you consider Shamima was 15 and groomed.
I don’t want her back here but let’s be real about that Farridge bloke.
Either you ARE responsible for your behaviour at 15 or you are not. He can’t have it both ways.

There is a clear difference between being mean to school pupils and running off to join a murderous terrorist cult.

Think about your words. You are making a moral equivalence between words and live streamed beheadings of aid workers. Farages “victims” have gone on to have full, and successful lives, Shamima’s victims are headless corpses denied any form of dignity in death and probably even a decent burial. How are the two even remotely comparable?

And Shamima wasn’t groomed, she tried this approach through numerous court cases and it always failed. She knew exactly what she was doing, she was exactly where she wanted to be, and there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if history had turned out differently and ISIS hadn’t been defeated she would STILL be popping out the next generation of Jihadi.

 

[NeverEnough]

So this is the same piece of legislation that the fragrant Shamima is relying on. This guy is now £240k richer.

Double killer wins compensation for solitary confinement

Fuad Awale suffered "severe depression" when he was denied contact with other inmates, judges hear.

www.bbc.co.uk

Now I realise he didn’t do anything really serious, like bully kids in the schoolyard 40 years ago, it was a simple case of an execution style double murder and kidnapping of a prison officer. But he became “severely depressed” when kept in confinement because it appeared some other inmates wanted to kill him.

So this is the madness of this legislation. I do not care if this guy has gone completely mad. I don’t care if he’s coated his balls in peanut butter and tried to climb the walls of his cell using only his lips. He lost any consideration for sympathy from me the second he pulled the trigger. Twice. Rot and go crazy you absolute bastard. Zero value in life, zero value in death.

As for the ECHR, well how are the the politicians who want to replace it with something fit for purpose wrong exactly?

So anyhow, this was how he was spending his rehabilitation time.

Muslim Extremists Feroz Khan and Fuad Awale Threatened to Behead Full Sutton Prison Guard

Feroz Khan and Fuad Awale to serve extra six years after attempting Islamic uprising at HMP Full Sutton

www.ibtimes.co.uk

Looks like he found the glory of Allah and acted accordingly.

 

[NeverEnough]

I think 100% her parents were an influence. I have probably said it before but the account she tells of her mum taking her to the bystop when she ended up flying tk turkey (to me anyway) sounds like the mum knew what she was doing, anyone else get that impression somehow?

I don’t know enough of Shamima’s parents to speculate, but her mate Amira Abase was 100% influenced by her dad. This is him, teddy bear in hand, giving a stellar performance about the return of his darling.

And this is him, face contorted in hate, having a pleasant afternoons flag burning at an extremist rally

Not “our” child. His.

 

[NeverEnough]

How is it her home? Nope, we tried to pass her to Bangladesh and they rightfully said no thanks. They don't want our radicalised children.

She's in her mid 20s and hasn't been a child in many years. And is apparently rehabilitated, according to her anyway.

Isn't life in a Muslim majority country all she has ever dreamed of. Surely the mighty jihadi welcomes death so she can join Allah?

She is no longer British and therefore is most assuredly not our problem. Shamims is Shamima's problem. A problem she made herself.

 

[Deeznutslol]

So these children were born in a war zone with little access to sanitation or healthcare, they were starving and malnourished and people really think it’s sus that they died?

 

[NeverEnough]

Isn't is strange that those using the argument that none of the 50+ Muslim majority countries should take her because they are worried about her danger, are more than happy to have her walking the streets of the UK, with, presumably, the same level of danger. If they think the current government are competent enough to prosecute her and/or monitor her 24 hours day they clearly haven't been paying attention this past year.

 

[Troutpout]

None of this matters cus at the point we find out our children are radicalised we will just make them stateless. We don't deal with problems. Yay go us.

‘Our’ children. Not in my name. And I’m perfectly happy with making these maniacs stateless so we don’t have to deal with them.

 

[veevee04]

I've seen some people report misogyny she was 15 a child. Shamima wasn't a passive little wife she sewed people into suicide vests and had an active role. She learnt how to use weapons. She was complicit in sexual enslavement of minority women whos only crime they didn't follow the same religion. Shamima chose to travel to Syria from a safe country to join a medieval cult. The yadizi women were brutally oppressed with no choice. shamimas choices are her own she made her bed fucking lie in it. She's a traitor and pure evil. I'd back death by firing squad.

 

[NeverEnough]

There are thousands of groomed children in the UK. Protecting them isn’t straightforward if nobody around them is blowing the whistle because the government’s ‘duty’ (which is debatable) to protect them comes into conflict with privacy and human rights laws.

For example, if they had been prevented from leaving the country you would almost certainly have had the Guardian et al up in arms about the racism of preventing 3 British teens having a break in Turkey just because they were brown.

The is supposed to be an upcoming enquiry into grooming gangs and it’s more or less a national scandal. We are talking suspected 1000s of suspected victims over decades, not only groomed, but raped, and prostituted. Some as young as 12.

I find it quite telling that there are …. certain posters…. who seem to place more emphasis on the outcome of one little brown girl who had been found not to have been groomed, then they do on 100s of little white girls who indisputably have. It’s like they’re so desperate to write off what happened to her as not her fault, and a product of no doubt, racism or islamophobia that they physically can’t see that the true bigots are the ones who practiced extrajudicial execution of non-believers, and those who supported them.

Never forget that a lot of these morons were the same people who claimed that the rape gangs weren’t happening and where a Right Wing fiction. Right up until when the convictions started. Then it became “complex”.

 

[Merpedy]

I’m on the episode of her losing her citizenship and damn the journalists really behaved wrongly imo
You can say it’s for public interest all you want, but there should be some respect to not interview someone after they have given birth or record the live reaction of her finding out she’s lost her citizenship

 

[NeverEnough]

I’m sure she’s counting down the days

Well if she is brought back because of the ECHR then that’s another 100,000 Reform voters and it will make Farage right.

Have the government learned nothing from the Egyptian debacle?

There is no such thing as a reformed Jihadi.

 

[GingerJones50]

“normal folk” is most of us and none of the major political parties give a stuff but there are degrees to which they could not care less and Reform despite their rhetoric are right up there.
And yes being an ass as a schoolboy does matter….he is a facist snd always has been. Shanima was also an idiot. I still don’t want her back but let’s keep it real ….she was a child and she was groomed which is the reality of it.
Sadly I think she will end up back here because international law says you cannot make someone stateless. Whether we agree with that or not doesn’t matter , it is what it is. We need to prepare for how she will be managed if she does return here.

She will not come back here because she is not stateless. She is a Bangladeshi citizen.

What has been overlooked throughout this thread is that a number of years ago there was an international court case involving two adult Bangladeshi ISIS terrorists. The children of Bangladeshi terrorists automatically have Bangladeshi citizenship at birth regardless of where they are born. The UK argued this meant they could strip these two adults of UK citizenship and make them Bangladesh’s responsibility.

The outcome of the case was a semi-loss for Britain as it was found that although the children of Bangladeshi citizens have Bangladeshi citizenship at birth, it lapsed at age 21 so we have to take all adult dual citizen Bangladeshi/British terrorists.

On the other hand it means that all dual Bangladeshi citizens aged under 21 are Bangladeshi citizens, not British (if we strip them) and Bangladesh’s problem. Bangladesh agreed to this, letters rogatory were exchanged confirming it then Bangladesh tried to weasel out of it when Begum came up. We have taken some incredibly dangerous adult terrorists because of this agreement so it is not right for Bangladesh to try and weasel out of its half of the bargain.

Statements were made by ministers without the authority or backing of Bangladeshi law that she would be hanged if returned there. This was meaningless hubris. The ECHR will find her a Bangladeshi citizen and if they don’t they will be ignoring, breaking and overiding International Law.

 

[Moley1]

How many appeals is this terrorist going to be funded??? Probably many more until the answer is yes!

Has it been proven that she is actually a “terrorist”? She should be given her British citizenship back and be tried in a British court of law. If she is found guilty then she should be sentenced. She is our problem, not someone to be used as a political pawn to placate the gammons in our society. No one should be stateless. We were all born and raised somewhere. It is not for a politician to decide that you no longer belong where you were born and raised. Nor people on social media for that matter.

 

[thegirlscout]

The way I see it, is that she should be home

She’s free to go to Bangladesh. They are the ones not playing ball by refusing her entry but that’s her home now. Why is she our problem?

 

[Salted Caramel]

It is hard to justify why she's being treated like this compared to some of the others, like that woman whose Instagram I linked in the last thread.

The fact she was surly and unrepentant when found by the Times journo seems to have marked her card for life. I didn't see any outrage about Shakil when her documentary aired, only some comments about how she'd had lip fillers and botox since getting out of prison. She took her kid to join the caliphate and there are propaganda photos of her and the child with guns as well as evidence of her recruiting others via twitter.

Other than some hearsay about Begum I haven't seen anything like that as proof of her crimes in Syria. In the documentary when she sounds like a moody teenager saying she doesn't understand why she's being treated differently, I can almost see what she means.

Don't yet me wrong, I find everything about Daesh abhorrent. I'd just like to see all those who joined being treated the same, not some being used as a political pinata while others move on with their lives and try to become fucking influencers.

 

[monga]

There should be a limit on how much public funds can be used in failed appeals

 

[NeverEnough]

I don’t want her back here but am sick of the double standards at play.
I am predicting a Tory/Reform coalition and life is going to be awful because these people do not care about normal folk.
God help us all.

There is no double standard at play. You simply cannot compare a school kid being an asshole to other pupils 40 years ago to running off and joining a terrorist cult that literally live streamed the beheading of prisoners without trial. Words are not violence, violence is violence.

Reform have argued for months that the ECHR has been abused and made it near impossible to effectively manage the border. It’s their explicit stated policy to withdraw from it. If that legislation is used to bring Shamima Begum back due to a decision made in Strasbourg that will effectively make Reforms point for them.

And who exactly are the “normal folk”of which you speak, and which party does care about them?