Seeking Arrangement

[whosthischick]

And to answer this question, yeah you basically have to straight up tell them what you're expecting, possibly in chat before you even meet, otherwise it probably won't happen, they won't do it themselves unless they're seasoned and know how it works. My personal example of this would be my very first meet. He called me to a hotel and I went without even knowing how it all works or without even asking/telling him what I wanted to get paid, it was literally just a few days after I'd made my account. After we were done he gave me an envelope containing £500. I didn't ask for it or tell him how much I wanted, I didn't know how to, but after that I used it as my baseline rate. I'm lucky that my very first meet was with an experienced (in that world) man, otherwise I wouldn't have known what to set my rate as or how to go about asking to get paid. I know you don't want to do PPM but it unfortunately has to start off that way (and 90% of the time stays that way) because there are too many men hoping to get away with lying about providing a proper arrangement.

I did eventually get into an arrangement with two men (you can have as many as possible if you have the time for it), one paid £200 and the other £300 every time I saw them, they weren't rich so they couldn't provide items or experiences, but the money was enough for me. Unfortunately the one who paid less ended up giving me a dangerous strain of HPV. While he was preaching to me about not seeing other men, he was seeing other women and that experience ruined my libido and body for the next three years, and that is what made me stop. I spent thousands getting monitored over three years, and I've now been free of it for two. After I stopped seeing him he messaged me to meet up out of the blue one day and I told him what he'd done to me and asked him to at least reimburse half, he went bonkers and called me every name in the book and refused, so I blocked him. He was super cool too and we got along really well. It taught me a really important lesson that it's the ones closest to you that you shouldn't trust. I'm not saying this will happen to everyone who joins SA, but it is a really important cautionary tale, like the hare and tortoise type of story where there's an important lesson to be learned from all of it.

Thanks for your honesty and I have to be honest and say that I didn't think £200 and £300 was what to expect, especially as you said you're a beautiful girl.

Also, I read on a previous thread the sugar daddy guy say condoms weren't all common, I take it that's for real?

 

[leavemealone]

That's interesting. So the guy was bullshitting about an allowance and counting you'd fall for it. I have to echo whothischick and ask if he looked for real or he wasn't counting on your desperation and gullibility to see him through. I mean, please tell me this wasn't a Travelodge or Premier Inn you ended up in?

Yup. And no it was at a 5 star hotel and he was dressed to fit the part, that's why I overlooked the red flags.

Thanks for your honesty and I have to be honest and say that I didn't think £200 and £300 was what to expect, especially as you said you're a beautiful girl.

Also, I read on a previous thread the sugar daddy guy say condoms weren't all common, I take it that's for real?

£300 is like, the most common rate. I accepted £200 because we got along and I hated the men I had slept with up until that point, so I didn't mind that it was significantly lower. And yeah, most don't use condoms. The only ones who did were the ones strictly looking to meet for 2-3 hours and made it clear that's all they wanted.

Did you not find the men attractive or is that me being naive and you get nowhere thinking like that (but so long as they're nice).

Sorry I didn't see this before. Most of the men are not attractive.

 

[whosthischick]

£300 is like, the most common rate. I accepted £200 because we got along and I hated the men I had slept with up until that point, so I didn't mind that it was significantly lower. And yeah, most don't use condoms. The only ones who did were the ones strictly looking to meet for 2-3 hours and made it clear that's all they wanted.


Sorry I didn't see this before. Most of the men are not attractive.

Thank you. This is not what I was expecting to hear x. And if you're comparable in looks to those who can't be mentioned, what chance do I have

 

[leavemealone]

I can bet you anything their rate is not more than £400. There's only so many rich men in the world, and they are all very obviously surrounded by thousands of options to choose from. Only the super scummy men end up on SA, and more often than not are not only cheap but don't even want to do it the way it's supposed to be done, aka they want it for free. You'd have to be really lucky to find someone halfway decent, and it's why all these girls aren't in arrangements and are plain old escorts.

 

[NotPBW]

What do you do for a typical date? Is sex always involved?

As London's being talked about, if we're meeting there I'll ask the girl if there's somewhere she's always wanted to try but hasn't, and same for choice of restaurant. However, I'll always try to book a table in the hotel restaurant if one's available.

I'll offer to send a car to collect her but most girls make their own way and those that accept will generally only want to be collected from the nearest tube station to the hotel, I assume because they'd prefer to keep their address/area as private as possible.

Depending on how dinner went, sometimes we just go straight to our room. At other times, if that feels 'rushed' then I suggest a drink in the hotel bar. I'll order a bottle of champagne, which will be too much for us to finish so after a glass or so, I'll suggest we have the bottle sent up to our room and finish it there. Sex always follows.

Of course sometimes my gentleman-piece is wasted and I'm with someone who's no stranger to this and doesn't need any nerves allayed, but as I've said before, I enjoy the whole experience, it's my Saturday night, and I don't necessarily just want to spend it all night in the room going at it(!)

For hotel, the most requested choice was the Shard for a while as everyone likes to get that shot standing at the window looking out on the city. However, I don't like the Shard particularly and think it overpriced for what it is, and after getting a stood-up a few times, now tend to use what I call the 'second tier 5 stars' which still have a wow-factor (in my opinion) but are more reasonably priced than the top tier Ritz, Savoy, Dorchester etc. My go-to hotel is Landmark and if that's unavailable then the May Fair which is better placed. I'm not overly entralled with the May Fair's rooms, which are as sparse as Travelodge in my opinion, but the public areas are nice and lively at the weekend and the girls like that, especially if you can book one of their 'VIP' tables. Landmark is better theatre and grander looking, rooms are better, but I have more 'mature' tastes, so could be getting that wrong. The point is, the rooms are much cheaper to the top tier, which I'm not averse to paying as I like those hotels myself, but as your chances of getting a no-show are quite high, it's pointless spending the money on a first get together.

in the summer, the Sunbourne Yacht Hotel is a 4-star down in Docklands which is a good venue. It's been featured on a few reality shows I believe, and again has an Instagrammable feature with its central staircase. It's nice, certainly a lot cheaper than the central hotels, but once you get out of the public areas, the corridors etc are a bit grim I think. The rooms are nice, however, and I always try to book a room facing the water. The restaurant is nice but popular so you can be stuffed if you book on short notice as you may not get a table, and the big draw back to the Sunbourne is that there's nothing really around it. You can get the cable car over to the O2 which has a couple of restaurants as backup if a table isn't available on the yacht. Being in a quiet area is exactly what some girls want and not really an issue if you're only spending one night. You only realise how out of everything you are if you spend more than a day there.

That's largely it in London. Raffles Hotel I see mentioned, I admit I'm not familiar with, but I'm not a Londoner.

 

[Pambo]

@NotPBW how much do you give the girls/spend on a typical date?

 

[whosthischick]

I can bet you anything their rate is not more than £400. There's only so many rich men in the world, and they are all very obviously surrounded by thousands of options to choose from. Only the super scummy men end up on SA, and more often than not are not only cheap but don't even want to do it the way it's supposed to be done, aka they want it for free. You'd have to be really lucky to find someone halfway decent, and it's why all these girls aren't in arrangements and are plain old escorts.

That's depressing

 

[NotPBW]

I can bet you anything their rate is not more than £400. There's only so many rich men in the world, and they are all very obviously surrounded by thousands of options to choose from. Only the super scummy men end up on SA, and more often than not are not only cheap but don't even want to do it the way it's supposed to be done, aka they want it for free. You'd have to be really lucky to find someone halfway decent, and it's why all these girls aren't in arrangements and are plain old escorts.

I'll echo the above, because as I've said before, the sort of arrangement that she-we-cannot-mention enjoyed is exceptionally rare. From what I've heard, finding a regular guy, providing a not-insulting PPM, is hard enough, never mind one who provides a PPM with extras like the lifestyle aspect and other trimmings. What most girls get offered is the opportunity to get pounded in a Travelodge for a few hours for a couple hundred quid.

Not that I'm a saint, as I'm a PPM man as well (unless some girl just really does it for me), but in my defence I try to keep it civilised (for what that's worth).

 

[Moonbaby09]

As London's being talked about, if we're meeting there I'll ask the girl if there's somewhere she's always wanted to try but hasn't, and same for choice of restaurant. However, I'll always try to book a table in the hotel restaurant if one's available.

I'll offer to send a car to collect her but most girls make their own way and those that accept will generally only want to be collected from the nearest tube station to the hotel, I assume because they'd prefer to keep their address/area as private as possible.

Depending on how dinner went, sometimes we just go straight to our room. At other times, if that feels 'rushed' then I suggest a drink in the hotel bar. I'll order a bottle of champagne, which will be too much for us to finish so after a glass or so, I'll suggest we have the bottle sent up to our room and finish it there. Sex always follows.

Of course sometimes my gentleman-piece is wasted and I'm with someone who's no stranger to this and doesn't need any nerves allayed, but as I've said before, I enjoy the whole experience, it's my Saturday night, and I don't necessarily just want to spend it all night in the room going at it(!)

For hotel, the most requested choice was the Shard for a while as everyone likes to get that shot standing at the window looking out on the city. However, I don't like the Shard particularly and think it overpriced for what it is, and after getting a stood-up a few times, now tend to use what I call the 'second tier 5 stars' which still have a wow-factor (in my opinion) but are more reasonably priced than the top tier Ritz, Savoy, Dorchester etc. My go-to hotel is Landmark and if that's unavailable then the May Fair which is better placed. I'm not overly entralled with the May Fair's rooms, which are as sparse as Travelodge in my opinion, but the public areas are nice and lively at the weekend and the girls like that, especially if you can book one of their 'VIP' tables. Landmark is better theatre and grander looking, rooms are better, but I have more 'mature' tastes, so could be getting that wrong. The point is, the rooms are much cheaper to the top tier, which I'm not averse to paying as I like those hotels myself, but as your chances of getting a no-show are quite high, it's pointless spending the money on a first get together.

in the summer, the Sunbourne Yacht Hotel is a 4-star down in Docklands which is a good venue. It's been featured on a few reality shows I believe, and again has an Instagrammable feature with its central staircase. It's nice, certainly a lot cheaper than the central hotels, but once you get out of the public areas, the corridors etc are a bit grim I think. The rooms are nice, however, and I always try to book a room facing the water. The restaurant is nice but popular so you can be stuffed if you book on short notice as you may not get a table, and the big draw back to the Sunbourne is that there's nothing really around it. You can get the cable car over to the O2 which has a couple of restaurants as backup if a table isn't available on the yacht. Being in a quiet area is exactly what some girls want and not really an issue if you're only spending one night. You only realise how out of everything you are if you spend more than a day there.

That's largely it in London. Raffles Hotel I see mentioned, I admit I'm not familiar with, but I'm not a Londoner.

Hahaha I always get these vibes in the Mayfair bar when I’m there guys always looking

 

[tyrellsg]

As London's being talked about, if we're meeting there I'll ask the girl if there's somewhere she's always wanted to try but hasn't, and same for choice of restaurant. However, I'll always try to book a table in the hotel restaurant if one's available.

I'll offer to send a car to collect her but most girls make their own way and those that accept will generally only want to be collected from the nearest tube station to the hotel, I assume because they'd prefer to keep their address/area as private as possible.

Depending on how dinner went, sometimes we just go straight to our room. At other times, if that feels 'rushed' then I suggest a drink in the hotel bar. I'll order a bottle of champagne, which will be too much for us to finish so after a glass or so, I'll suggest we have the bottle sent up to our room and finish it there. Sex always follows.

Of course sometimes my gentleman-piece is wasted and I'm with someone who's no stranger to this and doesn't need any nerves allayed, but as I've said before, I enjoy the whole experience, it's my Saturday night, and I don't necessarily just want to spend it all night in the room going at it(!)

For hotel, the most requested choice was the Shard for a while as everyone likes to get that shot standing at the window looking out on the city. However, I don't like the Shard particularly and think it overpriced for what it is, and after getting a stood-up a few times, now tend to use what I call the 'second tier 5 stars' which still have a wow-factor (in my opinion) but are more reasonably priced than the top tier Ritz, Savoy, Dorchester etc. My go-to hotel is Landmark and if that's unavailable then the May Fair which is better placed. I'm not overly entralled with the May Fair's rooms, which are as sparse as Travelodge in my opinion, but the public areas are nice and lively at the weekend and the girls like that, especially if you can book one of their 'VIP' tables. Landmark is better theatre and grander looking, rooms are better, but I have more 'mature' tastes, so could be getting that wrong. The point is, the rooms are much cheaper to the top tier, which I'm not averse to paying as I like those hotels myself, but as your chances of getting a no-show are quite high, it's pointless spending the money on a first get together.

in the summer, the Sunbourne Yacht Hotel is a 4-star down in Docklands which is a good venue. It's been featured on a few reality shows I believe, and again has an Instagrammable feature with its central staircase. It's nice, certainly a lot cheaper than the central hotels, but once you get out of the public areas, the corridors etc are a bit grim I think. The rooms are nice, however, and I always try to book a room facing the water. The restaurant is nice but popular so you can be stuffed if you book on short notice as you may not get a table, and the big draw back to the Sunbourne is that there's nothing really around it. You can get the cable car over to the O2 which has a couple of restaurants as backup if a table isn't available on the yacht. Being in a quiet area is exactly what some girls want and not really an issue if you're only spending one night. You only realise how out of everything you are if you spend more than a day there.

That's largely it in London. Raffles Hotel I see mentioned, I admit I'm not familiar with, but I'm not a Londoner.

That was like an after dark trip advisor review

 

[NotPBW]

@NotPBW how much do you give the girls/spend on a typical date?

I always ask how much she wants. Not so bluntly, I have a way of politely putting it, of course.

A new girl will generally be coy and ask how much I usually offer. In which case, for London I state £500, which 99% of the time is accepted. The most I've paid is £800 but that wasn't typical and to be frank, while the girl was certainly pretty, she wasn't the stunner in her profile pics. Thus I've learned to ignore the profiles with soft-focus, heavy filters, as I just don't know what she really looks like. Likewise those with stars & birds spinning around their head, or dog ears & tongue, that I'm sure many girls think endearing but give no idea of what they look like, are a hard pass too.

In the interests of full disclosure, if the girl asks for less than £500 then I don't argue and offer to bump it up for her.

Overall, I don't generally haggle as I feel if you're going to play SD, then that's the first give away that you're not, and fretting over the difference between £100 or £200 doesn't exactly instil confidence. If she asks for too much (in my opinion) then I just bow out politely at that point, otherwise I agree to whatever she asks for. That isn't all generosity and largess on my part, however, but insurance: I've found if you immediately agree to her 'price' then she's far more likely to show up, rather than leave me stood-up.

But taking £500 as typical for London, then with my travel, hotel, dinner and sundries, a one night date generally costs me in the region of £1k.

 

[Bonnie Bisou]

And yeah, most don't use condoms. The only ones who did were the ones strictly looking to meet for 2-3 hours and made it clear that's all they wanted.

Wow no condoms.....we’re you ok with this?

But taking £500 as typical for London, then with my travel, hotel, dinner and sundries, a one night date generally costs me in the region of £1k.

£500......I’m pretty shocked at this poor amount considering she has to spend a whole evening with you, possibly overnight.

 

[whosthischick]

That's another question I have, are these dates expected to be overnights usually?

@NotPBW when do you give the girl the money? Do you see each other again or is it just one night usually and that's it?

 

[Pambo]

My go-to hotel is Landmark and if that's unavailable then the May Fair which is better placed.

I'd a look at your love-nests and found this clip of the Landmark. Check out the couple at the 2min mark and then followed to the elevator. That looks to me like a little tryst going on right there with an entertainer Hope his wife doesn't see that as I don't think he was expecting to get recorded and posted on YouTube! It does look a nice hotel, though, I have to admit.

Q: Do you just get a regular room in these places, give any additional frills at all, like shopping or holidays?

 

[Pambo]

Wow no condoms.....we’re you ok with this?


£500......I’m pretty shocked at this poor amount considering she has to spend a whole evening with you, possibly overnight.

I'm assuming from what @leavemealone said the rate is determined by the market. If the girls all demanded higher the guys would have to pay it, but there's probably a fair bit of undercutting and not all of the girls will be of the same 'quality'. If leavemealone couldn't get higher as a looker then most likely no one else is, and asking for more results in you pricing yourself out and getting nothing, or a reality check at best.

I assume it's much the same with the condoms issue but I'd of thought more girls would be willing to stand firm on that.

@leavemealone, I feel for you. You sound quite bitter about it all now. I picked up on that in the previous threads and that's understandable when you have to read about others in Monaco and Dubai, the apartment and all the shopping extras they got, and comparing it to your own experience. I think girls should have their eyes open and realise your experience is what's to be expected, not the jetset lifestyle.

 

[Elle__Dee]

This is absolutely fascinating, thanks to all sharing their stories.

 

[Jmx]

I love this thread too! I think it would be tempting if I was single/ slightly better looking lol.

 

[Bonnie Bisou]

Men that use the likes of Adultwork and Viva street flag up girls that go bareback and won’t use them, it’s frowned upon. Even oral is mostly with a condom. It’s really madness that these young girls are putting themselves at risk like this.


So say you meet for dinner and drinks at 9pm, stay over and leave first thing 9am you’ve gave 12hrs of your time. It’s breaks down to £41 a hour. Think I’d rather provide a well priced hourly service. I understand these men are lonely and like having the company for an evening but I’m there for the cash and £41 an hour just ain’t worth it.

 

[Lovegin]

I’m wondering how this is deemed as being acceptable whilst there’s no difference between doing this and picking a man / woman up in a car in soho etc or being part of a potty party in Dubai? Most people look down on sex workers especially prostitutes or as it seems to be only lower class prostitutes that people have a problem with

Maybe it’s the difference in money paid,

 

[NotPBW]

That's another question I have, are these dates expected to be overnights usually?

@NotPBW when do you give the girl the money? Do you see each other again or is it just one night usually and that's it?

Overnight is what I ask for. If a girl wants £££ for a couple hours, well that's the hooker experience and rates, and that's not what I'm after. It's not worth the journey to me, simply for that.

The girl will usually leave at check out with me after breakfast, and of course being a man, after another morning 'round' or two in bed as well.

I know how that sounds, and Bonnie Bisou will be thinking I really take my pound of flesh, but I want to be honest, and I'm not pretending to be an angel.

So in keeping with honesty, yes, whosthischick, it is usually just one meeting. However, that said, I have a type, and if she checks all my boxes, then I'm going to want to see her again. By type, I don't just mean blonde or brunette or whatever, but a twinkle in her eye and funny. Whilst I appreciate a beautiful woman the same as any other man, the 'ice maiden' performance isn't one that I like to be around for any extended period. I like what I call the 'Goldie Hawn's, the pretty but mischievous types, who are just fun to be around.

Re money, as per leavemealone's experience, I give in a envelope at the end of the date. At the end as I've heard stories of girls getting the money and doing a runner i.e. goes to powder her nose at the bar/restaurant and never returns, or does a runner from the hotel room while you're in the bathroom. The money is cash and £20 notes. £20s for a couple of reasons: 1) It's easier for her to use without questions as to where she's suddenly getting £50 bills from 2) £500 in £20 notes looks way more than in £50 notes, and it's better 'psychologically' for want of a better term, and again, to be honest, it's just better 'theatre'.