Scott Mills

[Tofino]

It's a discussion forum. People are discussing the current known facts of the case, as they were with the HE case. People will have opinions based on what they currently know, which is very little. There's no right or wrong in terms of discussion imo and opinions can and will change as more information comes out, which is expected and normal. There's a lot of moral tone policing taking place imo

I’m not trying to police anyone’s tone or shut down discussion. I’m pointing out a pattern that tends to happen whenever a story like this breaks, Huw Edwards being the most recent example, both here and in the wider media.

When there is not much publicly available information, a lot of people interpret that as ‘there must be no evidence’ or ‘this is unfair’. Then later more details emerge that show why bbc acted as they did (and with Huw we learned they should have acted far earlier).

That’s what I’m referring to, not telling anyone what they can or can’t say in the thread.

 

[banf83]

BBC knew last year, intresting that it says a former presenter contacted them https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/breaking-bbc-knew-scott-mills-36951242

 

[filthycop]

My son calls himself a twink - there is an element of reclaiming the word I think. He looks younger than he is, always gets IDd in bars (and then they look confused, do maths, double check the ID and reluctantly let him buy a drink). He is also slight in build and is only 5'8" so quite small for an adult male. He gets chatted up by older men sometimes, but his current partner is the same age as him and smaller so makes him look massive! In their case twinkness is purely an about how they look, not how they conduct relationships. Both of them are aspiring actors and have never been approached to 'help' their career by doing powerful men favours. They may be too early in their careers but I think GenZ are far more consent based and dont feel pressured into things that make them uncomfortable.

 

[Traazers]

There isn't a massive amount of celeb support for him on social media. Mind you, Jeremy Vine should wind his neck in a bit, given that he was the first one to support Huw Edwards after his sacking!

As Tattle's no1 (only?) Jeremy Vine fan, I want to point out that the article shared yesterday stating Vine had said XYZ were actually discussion points raised on his radio show, the topics of which are chosen by production in advance. He didn't give any personal opinion on the matter at all he was asking questions laid out in advance in order to facilitate a debate/discussion.

 

[Tofino]

Nobody is saying that’s okay if he did it. But it was investigated by the police and he wasn’t prosecuted. He’s not been convicted of anything but because the BBC had a knee jerk reaction, hysterics like you are pranding him a pweirdo over something that may well never have happened.

The BBC are going to haemorrhage staff over this. They’ve created a situation where any fixated person or nutter can make allegations against their staff and they’ll sack them and throw them to the pitchfork mob like you and ruin their loves, even if nobody is sure they actually did what’s alleged.

How have you come to the conclusion that the BBC’s decision to terminate Scott’s contract was a knee jerk reaction?

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

It's a discussion forum. People are discussing the current known facts of the case, as they were with the HE case. People will have opinions based on what they currently know, which is very little. There's no right or wrong in terms of discussion imo and opinions can and will change as more information comes out, which is expected and normal. There's a lot of moral tone policing taking place imo

But he wasn’t ’essentially cleared’. That’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact.

 

[pommynoir]

I didn’t realise SM was so liked until I read this thread.

none of us know exactly what he’s done but go on any other thread with similar circumstances and people would have been against them from the start.

And if I see another comment that “things were different back then” I may put my head through the window. If you’ve had a relationship with someone under 16 you’re a nonce, if you’ve been under 16 and had a relationship with someone older then you were nonced - it’s really that simple. There is zero circumstances where that’s ok, even if it was the wild 90’s.

 

[GrunkaLunka]

You have to just be careful that you aren’t presenting speculation as fact. If you’re just speculating then say that and if you’re presenting facts, back them up with receipts ie screenshots/ links to news pages.

This is exactly it. It's fine to post here saying things along the line of "I wonder whether... " "Maybe he did..." and so on. It's what makes Tattle interesting.
It's a huge problem when people start posting incorrect information with authority, and then are unable to give any source to back it up, other than a vague "I read it earlier" or "my neighbour who was once an extra on 'The Bill' told me".

 

[ochebalboa]

Matthew Kelly. What happened to him was horrific, and prompted parliament to debate changing the law around how allegations are reported.

He managed to re-establish a career, but not as high-profile as he was previously (though maybe it’s his choice to be less visible as a consequence of that).

I remember the bollocks about all that, He was also alleged to have downloaded child porn but he was cleared off that quickly has he didn't have a computer at the time (Unless i have this mixed up with someone else)

Matthew Kelly was a good presenter it was a shame what happened

 

[NowIsGood]

Rylan and Sam Ryder were on This Morning earlier talking about this year’s Eurovision and Rylan hosting. They are (were) both very good friends with SM but they did a good job of being bright and breezy acting like nothing has changed.

Scott was the main driving force in getting Sam picked for Eurovision. He was a massive supporter of his music. Something tells me Scott's pals are very much supporting him in private but would never admit it publicly.

 

[pixxyy]

BBC knew last year, intresting that it says a former presenter contacted them https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/breaking-bbc-knew-scott-mills-36951242

 

[RobinsHood]

I really dislike them wanting to make someone of people I don't care about. I only care about the DJ presenting the show not others like Sally, Ellie etc.

I’m so glad I’m not the only one that thinks this! It really annoys me how much airtime Sally traffic gets on a Saturday from all the presenters, and I really don’t find her funny or entertaining at all, it’s all rubbish, banal chat

 

[YR80]

Verifying Device

Jeremy Vine isn't afraid of the sack for speaking out. He's right. It's crazy someone has been sacked for something thirty years ago, that he was cleared of ten years ago and never been arrested for.

Absolutely agree. He was cleared so why now? It all seems very unfair and almost like he’s a scapegoat from the BBC, who have let a lot of sex offenders slip through their net. A bit like “look at what we CAN do”

 

[Daisy Uncle]

Under sixteen would mean still at school, no job so no money, hard to see how this wouldn't be obvious to an adult.

 

[GlitterFluff]

Bridge Update:

 

[ThisIsMyDragName]

I have friends who have experienced SA and at least two have reported it to the police. I’m aware in one case, the police were struggling to move forward with making an arrest etc on the basis of what my friend reported alone, however, there sadly were others who were unknown to each other but all making very similar reports which was beginning to build a much stronger case. I suppose the same might happen here, if there are others. I know before this got its own thread that someone in the celeb thread mentioned a friend who was groomed by SM, and obviously it’s unclear if this is the same person as the centre of the current news or someone different.

For anyone who has experienced SA, I can only say how sorry I am. And for those who have been able to find the strength to report it, I’m in awe. It’s easy for me to sit on the sidelines and say that it might help build a watertight case against an abuser but I can’t imagine the pain of being told it won’t be progressed at that point in time.

 

[pixxyy]

Third party could also explain the original case 2016-2019 not having enough evidence, Also BBC saying new information has come to light & they are in contact with the alleged victim. Maybe he's now feeling able to talk about what happened

 

[pixxyy]

Just me who when you say OJ immediate thought is Simpson lol

 

[TwooTwooTwitTwitTwoo]

Surprising how many people I have seen subtly or not so subtly try and reason around alleged sexual offences against an under 16 yo

From lying about your age to the age gap not being that big... are we alright?

I don't think it's quite that. I think it's more that the lack of information and the lack of any prior suspicion around Mills leaves people guessing as to what has gone on so they naturally try and fill in the blanks wirh the least worse scenario.

Obviously; the public are not owed the details but I know I prefer specifics when developing an understanding of scenarios.

When you have a public figure like Edwards or Mills, someone who is in people's lives and routines, who feels 'safe', I think it's just human to need to understand the level of deception involved.

I'm not sure I've explained that very well. I know what I'm trying to say but I can't quite find the right words.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

There’s nothing wrong with dating younger people or age gap relationships but when one of the participants is still a teen or there’s a huge power imbalance then it becomes a problem