In my mind I imagine a fractious (and no wonder!) baby, whining and crying and refusing to walk and wanting picked up all the time. That is stressful. Then add into that mix SB texting constantly or FaceTiming asking was she behaving. Add to that people perhaps messaging that Star has bruises on her and that social services are sniffing. Add to that you’re 19 years old and you have no real pals and half your family are isolated from you. Add to that any time you do go out you have to cloak it in mystery and dare not put a foot wrong incase you get a beating and you can see where moments of frustration come from.I want to believe that FS didn't know Star had a badly injured leg. FS did tell SB that Star was crying when her leg was touched, saying she was going to take her to the Dr, but SB said Star was 'petting' and telling FS not to pick her up. Maybe FS really was that gullible and went along with everything SB said about child care.
I believe one was slightly older than Star and one was younger, so too young to be questioned at all.(Apologies if this has been mentioned previously I’ve only read from the beginning of thread 5)
I know the other children in the flat on September 22 are too young to be questioned, but surely someone would have asked them what happened. Where did the children go when FS went in the ambulance and SB went to hospital in her car.
Did SB drop the other children off? Did the police stay with them? Did their own parents ask them what happened?
The oldest of the two other children present was only 2.(Apologies if this has been mentioned previously I’ve only read from the beginning of thread 5)
I know the other children in the flat on September 22 are too young to be questioned, but surely someone would have asked them what happened. Where did the children go when FS went in the ambulance and SB went to hospital in her car.
Did SB drop the other children off? Did the police stay with them? Did their own parents ask them what happened?
It has been discussed a bit, they were SB's niece / nephew, she took them to her sisters before going to hospital, personally I think if they were old enough to say 'oh Star' then possibly could have had some sort of 'play' enactment, I don't know if being SB's relative they could refuse police access to them, they literally have not been mentioned other than in passing eg: The kids were given toys etc ... they were old enough to eat crisps so not tiny babies(Apologies if this has been mentioned previously I’ve only read from the beginning of thread 5)
I know the other children in the flat on September 22 are too young to be questioned, but surely someone would have asked them what happened. Where did the children go when FS went in the ambulance and SB went to hospital in her car.
Did SB drop the other children off? Did the police stay with them? Did their own parents ask them what happened?
They were SB sisters kids. (Her sister is Mary Kate). The children were too young, but according to Mary Kate they were seen by social workers. SB took them to Becky Endacotts.(Apologies if this has been mentioned previously I’ve only read from the beginning of thread 5)
I know the other children in the flat on September 22 are too young to be questioned, but surely someone would have asked them what happened. Where did the children go when FS went in the ambulance and SB went to hospital in her car.
Did SB drop the other children off? Did the police stay with them? Did their own parents ask them what happened?
I think she pretty much HAS paid the price for that mistake. She’s lost her daughter.I really don’t think FS will serve a long time in prison. Like others have said she suspsected abuse but still allowed SB around her child so I think she will have to pay the price for that mistake. I think FS did amazing today for Star, yes she might not of owned up to biting, but she openly admits she was cruel to Star now she looks back. I feel like her time on remand has been an eye opener and she’s had a lot of growing up to do.
I just so hope SB gets a murder charge but I really don’t think she will.
Not saying it’s right now, but my mum would give us Quavers as soon as we were on solids.Where I live old enough to eats crisps means anything over 4 months
That’s not good enough in my eyes, she deserves to be punished for allowing it to happen.They were SB sisters kids. (Her sister is Mary Kate). The children were too young, but according to Mary Kate they were seen by social workers. SB took them to Becky Endacotts.
I think she pretty much HAS paid the price for that mistake. She’s lost her daughter.
Apart from a load of rambling twists from KG what I picked up from today was that pre SB, FS had loads of help with Star, possibly a bit misguided in that Anita said just leave her with us to sort yourself out, which kind'a gave FS a free pass to behave like an immature teenager and free reign to get to know SB better.
No one really helping FS to bond and how to care for for Star, just taking Star off her hands and if you have the time why not, she was obviously a delightful child to have around. Then, enter SB, they 'co-parent' Star but to SB's agenda, FS cut off from those who care about them both and doesn't have a clue how to care for Star, she parents as instructed by SB.
Left to her own devices they have moments of loving play but when it comes to misbehaving (like toddlers do) FS hasn't got the skills, eg: distracting with a toy when she's pulling clothes out of a box, instead she punishes as instructed by SB because by this stage SB is the only person in her life as Grandparents have been cut out.
Wait, what? It's not good enough that she's lost her baby? And will live with that knowledge for the rest of her life, no doubt tormenting herself with it? A jail time is small fry in comparison to that.That’s not good enough in my eyes, she deserves to be punished for allowing it to happen.
No i don’t believe it is, I believe she needs to serve time for the crime she’s committed. (If found guilty) (My opinion, don’t jump down my throat) I hope she gets out and rebuilds her life though.Wait, what? It's not good enough that she's lost her baby? And will live with that knowledge for the rest of her life, no doubt tormenting herself with it? A jail time is small fry in comparison to that.
I'm so torn about this. She did let Star get in harm's way but I believe it was down to her misjudgement rather than her intention (in addition to being in a coercive relationship).That’s not good enough in my eyes, she deserves to be punished for allowing it to happen.
I agree. If she’s found guilty of any of the charges, she should do the time. Maybe it’ll give her time to reflect on her life and she can come out a better person for it. She shouldn’t get off lightly imo. Yes she will have to live with the knowledge that she failed to protect her child, but it isn’t enough. She still has a lot to learn.No i don’t believe it is, I believe she needs to serve time for the crime she’s committed. (If found guilty) (My opinion, don’t jump down my throat) I hope she gets out and rebuilds her life though.
I agree these are good points! I really do hope she’s builds her life. I just believe a sentence is a part of Stars justice.I'm so torn about this. She did let Star get in harm's way but I believe it was down to her misjudgement rather than her intention (in addition to being in a coercive relationship).
This is where I think we should have a 'smarter approach to sentencing' because I would prefer to see a judgement based on redemption and education for FS. Let her better her life, build her self esteem but also reflect on her past actions.
FS still has the rest of her life to live and I'd prefer to see her coming out of prison, with support and a different outlook on life.
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