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Begborrowsteal

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When this first broke, and he got nicked, I remember saying we would be horrified by the details. But its not the details - its imagining the utter fear and desperation that Sarah would have felt. Her sister describing her sisters body, not having her back whole as she once was, not getting to say goodbye. Its indescribable.
 
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Mascaragirl

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He was done on the car hire docs, hired in his name and or his bank card.
CCTV showed Sarah walking, getting in a car. Later the car was picked out when an auto recognition camera captured the plate.
They didn’t need anything from another person to charge him, then he plead guilty so there was no trial
Her blood and his semen was found in the car, along with everything you say, the evidence against him was pretty stacked. Not sure what she could of provided to the police for him to be charged. No plea bargain necessary. He pleaded guilty. The forensics were there.

Just something about the narrative of always blaming women that doesn’t sit right with me. I’ve seen it on twitter, this man was vulgar and sinister and calculated, but the suggestions she MUST of known, could of prevented it, protected him, knew he was planning something is absurd. Look at the lies he made up on the spot in front of the police, he was calculated. Given there was no mention of her at all, and the judge referred to them as ‘blamless’ his wife is innocent and should be treated as such.
 
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TapToBoreMeRigid

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Thank you for writing about it on here. Do you manage to pursue any legal recourse with the incestuous abuse?
I opened up about it 7 years ago this month. It took place from when I was 13-19, (something I used to feel embarrassed about because I didn't realise back then that though I was eventually age of consent, I had been groomed and coerced since childhood).

I gave a video statement to police who, I must say, were incredibly warm and believed me and did not once make me feel bad. My old GP told me that incestuous abuse in my town is rife and he does not know why.

Two relatives told me things - one had witnessed my abuser in my bed but he made excuses. Another relative saw photos of me, (not compromising but in a folder with pornography), on the abusers computer. Neither of them would give statements to the police. My close family had all been subjected to mental abuse my the perpetrator and he used his tactics, once bailed, to weedle his way in and get back into the family home.

None of my family visited me. I had to go to them. They questioned me and doubted me. They pressed and pressed and wanted to know if I had been raped via penis - as if then it would be bad enough. I hadn't been but I know they would have all still found a way to continue with their protection of my abuser and their cognitive dissonance. Two of my very close relatives who could have helped me once I disclosed everything instead chose to brush everything under the carpet. They still, to this day, drink with and socialise with my abuser.

Because of my MH and lack of support I felt I had no choice but to tell the police I could not support a prosecution. I very much regret this now. Everything remains on file and should my MH improve sufficiently I will seek justice even without familial support. For too long I have felt blame, guilt and shame.

The police were, in my case, exemplary. A female officer did my statement but a male visited me on the day I said I wouldn't support a prosecution. The CPS obviously did not prosecute because I was my evidence. My abuser is bare-faced. He told me he would never admit to anything because he deserves a life. He told me he was sorry. He is not.

My whole childhood I thought that if I ever was brave enough to tell then my family would flock around and lift me up. They did not. They stood with the man - the source of money. I am still glad I spoke up though because it has enabled me to engage with MH services to receive adequate counselling.

I might as well say - it was my father who did this to me. My mother still resides with him for financial security. I feel as though I have been kicked repeatedly by people who should love and protect me. Protect the abuser eh. Even my old GP told me not to make a fuss. A man, of course.

Sarah Everard had family who adored her and would have protected her at all costs. I wish she knew that. I hope she died knowing that had her cries been heard, people would have been desperate to help.
 
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Its_Me

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I do feel for her, it must be horrific hearing about the awful things your husband has done whilst you were totally oblivious. Your whole world falling apart in a matter of days/weeks. People staring and whispering behind your back, rumours about your involvement, wondering if you could have done more or paid more attention to put a stop to it all. And the children too, one day they will find out the full extent their father has done. Who knows what that will do to them.

I hope she divorces him and tries to move on with her life.
I read somewhere before that the local community had come together and supported her. She and her children are victims too, he clearly had no regard for them when he chose to do what he did.
 
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Begborrowsteal

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This is a(nother) male issue - they dont hold each other accountable. These nicknames. Why did they not raise concerns? It happens all too often.

My OH has worked with men that get mocked or joked about being creepy.. its an issue.
 
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PettyinPink

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I’m sorry but if I turned up to my job with an escort and bragged about it I would be fired the following working day... Blue chip/ corporate companies don’t accept that and this certainly should not be accepted with organisations that deal with vulnerable people in extreme situations. I’m horrified that this was considered normal. I’ve had colleagues fired on the spot for way less!!!!
 
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judgejohndeed

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I get why people talk about this but honestly I find any discussion of his appearance unhelpful. Men who do things like this are normal men who walk among us, they're not weird looking freaks that you can easily identify, they have normal jobs and families like he does. That's why it's so terrifying. 'Othering' them in this way doesn't help anyone.

I think it’s victim blaming to act like his appearance clearly gave away the fact that he was a risk. Even if it did - what was Sarah supposed to do about it?
This. If you think you're being arrested then saying 'hold on, you look like a right weirdo' is really not going to help you.
 
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skintsocks

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His nickname. The footage. All of it. The taking his family there for a day-trip a few days later. A policeman. "If you're ever in trouble, find a policeman". No words.
 
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linzilou

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It wouldn’t have changed anything for poor Sarah anyway, he was a legitimate police officer with a warrant card.

I’m married to a police officer and he and his colleagues are devastated about what’s happened.

Officers keeps their warrant card because they are never technically off duty, it’s part of the oath they take.
 
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Bitofthebubbly

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Lots of people have depression and don’t go on to kidnap and murder someone. His porn addled brain probably didn’t help matters.
 
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Mollymay

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Restrictions or no restrictions, it was just a line he used, if he hadn't of used that he would've said something else. Scum deserves to die in prison
 
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Cosmo

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I wear safety trainers for work and I now regularly wear a pair when I am just out and about. They have steel toe caps, anti slip and are reinforced. Look like normal trainers but if I ever kicked anyone they would definitely have a much greater impact than normal shoes. They wouldn't be expecting it either.

They are slightly heavier than normal trainers but in no way uncomfortable or bulky. Mine are pink and look like nikes. I really recommend them as an extra security measure.

I thought I'd share in case it's something anyone finds it helpful.
 
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jackolantern

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“Challenge plain clothed officers”

This story has really annoyed me. Do the Met not get that most law abiding citizens would never challenge authority because we TRUST them to act in the public interest and protect us from harm?

This is the Met’s corporate PR team in damage limitation mode and, by accident or design, are now victim blaming. I wish they’d shut the fuck up and show some respect.

I rarely challenge authority. I would freeze and go quiet because I half fear and half respect authority. I’d never start cross-examining them. Can you fucking imagine it if we all did that?

Every criminal or angry person who genuinely hates authority in the country will be pleased to know they can legitimately answer back and cause scenes. This puts officers with genuine concerns over suspicious activity in a more tricky position.

Have we not learnt anything at all? The issue here is that people do not feel safe. The issue here is not for us, it’s for THEM and their senior leadership teams including the Home Secretary.

Fuck sake. Sorry for the early rant all ❤
And if you do challenge them - you get arrested for resisting! Plus, I’ve said it before but if the person isn’t legitimate, they aren’t going to then turn around and go, ah nevermind off you go then. Honestly, it’s not up to us to do better FFS 🤬
 
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BigMavis

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If he felt any remorse he would tell police exactly what happened, there are still a lot of blanks. I also find it difficult to believe Sarah was his only victim.
 
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Boogs

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It was such an upsetting watch. The only crumb of comfort was that I thought the female detective was really impressive
I’m glad the lead detective was a woman. It feels right that a bastard like that was taken down by a woman.
 
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Caffeine Fiend

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But what are you panicking about? That a rogue policemen will do the same to same again?
It’s a crime that has never happened before, and is unlikely to happen again.

There’s so much bad advice going around twitter, it’s not helpful, it won’t keep women safe and it’s taking the attention away from the real issues.
I panic everytime I leave the house after dark. Its not just policemen is it? Its the fact that even if we feel threatened how can we take comfort in approaching someone for help when even someone whos supposed to protect us has carried out such depraved acts.

Its always there at the back of my mind if I go out at night, I might not come back. When incidents are highlighted in the media it absolutely makes you worry more because its not just a niggling feeling anymore.

Im older and wiser now but the amount of times Ive been sexually assaulted in the past that I just brushed off at the time. The thought of my daughter going for a night out and having her privacy invaded the way it has for me. It makes me feel sick to my stomach. What advice can I give her? There isnt any. No matter what she wears, what she drinks or doesnt drink shes at risk unless she stays home 24/7.
 
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Bitofthebubbly

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Man, if only the flashing reports a few days earlier were taken seriously. ☹ and the one in 2015....and his nickname within the force...
This is the thing for me. There were red flags all over this guy and no one did anything about it. It wasn’t like he was a nice guy and no one suspected him of ever hurting anyone, his nickname at work was ‘the rapist’ ffs. People knew he made women feel uncomfortable. How many other monsters are hiding in plain sight, behind a badge that is supposed to mean they will protect us from crime? Something went very wrong somewhere for this guy to be able to be recruited and to then be able to keep his job after the flashing incident.

So glad to see he’s locked up for life. Anything less would have been an absolute insult.
 
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Jen667

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Yes and staggering that he got away with so many previous crimes...
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So many examples that I can think of:

Having to take a cab at night, even though I only live 5 mins from the train station

Crossing the road if you hear footsteps behind you

Seeing a man walk up my road when I am off the train, and waiting for a woman so I can follow her and feel safer.

So many examples...
This! In my single days my home was about a 10 min walk from the tube. I don't work regular hours in my line of work and would always feel compelled to get a taxi from tube to front door, even though I couldn't afford it. One time, there was a loud knocking on the door, about an hour after I'd been dropped off. It was the taxi driver saying he'd finished his shift and could be come in for a drink? After that I had to get the taxis to drop me a few houses away as a further safety measure
 
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