Sara Sharif case

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I thought the nappy could have been because she lost control of her bladder/bowels due to her injuries. It sounds like a house of horrors with all these things you might find in any home being used as weapons,

I wonder what will be said by the school and local education authority. They saw bruising, was this followed up as per their safeguarding guidelines. Did they follow the correct guidance when she was deregistered from school? Did the LEA contact the family, what happened there? if SS had been involved previously was it flagged to them?
Having worked in a primary school for 2 years I can see why things like this get missed. Schools are understaffed and under resourced. The office staff regularly would raise concerns to SMT and more often than not they weren't interested. Not sure if it was due to the amount of paperwork or the extra workload things like this bring on but they didn't want to get involved.

The only time they'd take an interest is when social work or police got involved and as we've seen recently that can sometimes be too late and we hear the line "lessons have been learned"

Working in a school was an eye opener for me
 
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This was reiterated to me by police after I made a report. They would rather it was reported and found to be nothing. They don’t see it as time wasting if there’s any concern at all.
I reported the incident/s to social services (I won't detail as it could identify me) but when I called social services they asked me to inform the mother what was happening and I thought "What the hell?" So much for doing your jobs!
 
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Just caught up, oh god, had a feeling this one was going to be horrific and it is. That poor little girl, absolutely horrendous 🤬

just read that the neighbours regularly heard screams, shouts, noises, children being sworn at, followed by silence. Why on earth didn’t they report this? This is a relatively recent case, not like in the 70’s when no one took any notice. What is the point of these case reviews if the public still take no notice, I find this utterly disheartening to be honest 😔
 
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Having worked in a primary school for 2 years I can see why things like this get missed. Schools are understaffed and under resourced. The office staff regularly would raise concerns to SMT and more often than not they weren't interested. Not sure if it was due to the amount of paperwork or the extra workload things like this bring on but they didn't want to get involved.

The only time they'd take an interest is when social work or police got involved and as we've seen recently that can sometimes be too late and we hear the line "lessons have been learned"

Working in a school was an eye opener for me
My background is in the early years and it never fails to amaze me how things get ignored or missed. Over 20 years ago when I was at uni it was all about interagency working and lessons being learned after the report on Victoria Climbie came out but here we are all these years on with the same things happening.
I also home ed my own children and the school should have contacted the LEA when she was deregistered who should in turn should have contacted the family. Home educators can choose not to meet with the LEA but with the family having been involved with SS there should have been a red flag there. The whole system for protecting children needs a huge overhaul but it would take a lot of time and money and it’s not going to happen any time soon.
 
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I reported the incident/s to social services (I won't detail as it could identify me) but when I called social services they asked me to inform the mother what was happening and I thought "What the hell?" So much for doing your jobs!
What on earth! No way should that be on you
 
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Every single time something like this happens you find out about all the concerns which individually might be something relatively minor but put together are clearly a major concern. It always comes down to a lack of joined up communication. It feels like we never learn from the serious case reviews.
 
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I'm a kid who's parents were reported to SS many years ago. I won't go into details but it was life changing for us . the only reason I have a relationship with them nowis that they did genuinely change their behaviour.

That phone call was the best thing that happened to our family.
 
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The reporting today has made me feel so sick, I just can't imagine what she was going through. I know a lot of people don't want to get involved in others business but sometimes we need too. If we hear something that we think that doesn't sound good then we should report it, I think it's up to everyone to report safeguarding. Even if it's nothing at least it's being looked at, her school could've done more, her step mum's sister wasn't even bothered to hear about the injuries. Everyone failed her. Making her do heavy chores too makes it seem they just wanted her to work for them and then be sent elsewhere when she could. They have all been involved in her murder in some way and I can't understand how humans can do that to someone, especially a young innocent girl.
 
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I've reported concerns to social services about three different families in my life. One was a neighbour who had 2 kids who were the most terribly sad unkempt little things and were already on child in need plans. The parents used to leave a 3 year old and a baby to "nip out". I don't know the outcome but I know they were furious about it being reported.

Another was two women in a relationship both with their own kids and there was tremendous violence from one woman to another. the aggressor would use her son to try to win her way back into her girlfriend's heart anf send him over to her house to knock on the door and ask don't you love me anymore. Emotional abuse and he was also present during physical abuse.

The final one was my colleague who had an alcohol problem which she was trying to hide. She told me she had tried to kill herself while her children were in the house and then also blamed her injuries on her daughter attacking her (she'd fallen down the stairs pissed). She had to leave the family home for sometime and the children were on protection plans. I'd also called the police to do a safe and well check after she told me her husband beat her up (he hadn't he wasn't even home when she got injured she'd fallen in her garden). That was the worst as she saw me as a friend before it and my work gave me absolutely no support during the whole saga.
 
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What on earth! No way should that be on you
They probably did investigate after my report as there were no more incidents. Also, I already knew first-hand that the mother's relatives (adults and children) were involved with social services and child protection.
To say I was gobsmacked and disturbed at being asked to become personally involved is an understatement!
No doubt there will be an investigation (after these three murderers receive a VERY long sentence), but if I hear "Lessons will be learned" just one more time... :mad: :mad: 🤬 🤬
 
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The police have done so well identifying weapons that were used, to match injuries. This sort of evidence with fingerprints may be key.

I wonder if she was told to wear the nappy or if she put it on herself because she wasn’t allowed to the toilet.



This from BBC implicates the father.
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This ducks me off so bad. How can you receive messages from your sister stating their step-child is being severely abused and do nothing about it? I don’t care who you have loyalties to or who you’re related to when a poor child is being abused. Despicable
 
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"Safeguarding is everyone’s responsibility."

Too many think..."Don't get involved", "It's none of our business", "We don't want any trouble".

I worked in child education for many years, we were all trained in child protection and I have personally reported a neighbour for mistreatment of their child, no hesitation. Did the teacher/school staff not raise any concerns? If they didn't then shame on them, it's scandalous. Someone as well as others have made monumental failings along the line.
it’s like that analogy of the jigsaw puzzle, the school had a piece of the puzzle, the neighbours had a piece and the step ‘mum’ had a piece, one piece by itself doesn’t show much but put altogether it shows the whole picture.
 
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I try not to judge the neighbours who heard and did nothing because ultimately sometimes people are scared to, I was living in a very rough area in my youth and did hear and see some things that I would absolutely report now but didn't then because I didn't want dog tit or worse shoved thru my letterbox. Plus some communities are just very, very distrustful of authority anyway, does anyone remember earlier this year when the police tried to remove some children from a family after safeguarding concerns and all the neighbours basically started rioting so they put the children back. This was in Leeds I think. So yeah sometimes you do turn a blind eye but it's often out of fear rather than not caring if you see what I mean?

I also get a bit uncomfortable when blame is displaced, it's like I was following the threads here on poor Arthur Labinjo Hughes and at one point there was more hate being shown for the hairdresser than the actual killers, it's like yes I agree it's a shame we no longer live in a society where kids are raised by a village but arguably we never did, Hindleyand Brady for example rarely had problems picking kids off the street and no one tried seriously to stop them? Mary Bell was able to kill two toddlers and that was in a really close knit community. Loads of people saw Jamie Bulger being walked off by Thomson and Venables and he was in clear distress and they did nothing, this was in Liverpool which is famed for its community spirit. I think the 'good old days' of communities looking after children have probably been hugely exaggerated or never really existed.

I just think that people who are determined to abuse and torture their children are devious, they will find a way to hide what they are doing and dissuade anyone from interfering, blaming bystanders is a bit of a hiding to nothing emo.
 
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I'm a kid who's parents were reported to SS many years ago. I won't go into details but it was life changing for us . the only reason I have a relationship with them nowis that they did genuinely change their behaviour.

That phone call was the best thing that happened to our family.
I reported someone a few years ago who used to scream at and slap her kids endlessly (with all the windows open so it was hard to ignore). They still live in the same house and she doesn’t do it any more so I assume she got some help and hope her kids’ lives improved like yours did.
 
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I try not to judge the neighbours who heard and did nothing because ultimately sometimes people are scared to, I was living in a very rough area in my youth and did hear and see some things that I would absolutely report now but didn't then because I didn't want dog tit or worse shoved thru my letterbox. Plus some communities are just very, very distrustful of authority anyway, does anyone remember earlier this year when the police tried to remove some children from a family after safeguarding concerns and all the neighbours basically started rioting so they put the children back. This was in Leeds I think. So yeah sometimes you do turn a blind eye but it's often out of fear rather than not caring if you see what I mean?

I also get a bit uncomfortable when blame is displaced, it's like I was following the threads here on poor Arthur Labinjo Hughes and at one point there was more hate being shown for the hairdresser than the actual killers, it's like yes I agree it's a shame we no longer live in a society where kids are raised by a village but arguably we never did, Hindleyand Brady for example rarely had problems picking kids off the street and no one tried seriously to stop them? Mary Bell was able to kill two toddlers and that was in a really close knit community. Loads of people saw Jamie Bulger being walked off by Thomson and Venables and he was in clear distress and they did nothing, this was in Liverpool which is famed for its community spirit. I think the 'good old days' of communities looking after children have probably been hugely exaggerated or never really existed.

I just think that people who are determined to abuse and torture their children are devious, they will find a way to hide what they are doing and dissuade anyone from interfering, blaming bystanders is a bit of a hiding to nothing emo.
I get what you’re saying but if even one of those people had been brave and reported what they’d heard, things could have ended so differently for that little girl. I couldn’t personally stand back and listen to those screams without doing something about it, I just couldn’t. Ultimately the blame lies with the killers/abusers but where children are concerned I feel like everyone has a responsibility, especially in this world where the saying “it takes a village” no longer has any meaning. It’s just as important now more than ever.
 
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I naively assumed that the father had perhaps smacked her and she had fallen, maybe down the stairs, and died as a result. Then he fled because he panicked.

Nothing prepared me for the sheer brutality that was meted out to this young girl.
 
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I get what you’re saying but if even one of those people had been brave and reported what they’d heard, things could have ended so differently for that little girl. I couldn’t personally stand back and listen to those screams without doing something about it, I just couldn’t. Ultimately the blame lies with the killers/abusers but where children are concerned I feel like everyone has a responsibility, especially in this world where the saying “it takes a village” no longer has any meaning. It’s just as important now more than ever.
Yes, and no one is saying the neighbour should have gone next door and actually got in the middle of it - just that a report could have been made, police or SS, and that could have been so key.
 
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People not reporting is a bit like the bystander effect where they hope/think someone else will do something. If the kids were going to school, oh the school would know if something was wrong and deal with it.

I don’t place blame on people who don’t report(talking about non professionals here). It’s quite an intimidating thing to do and people fear repercussions for their own family especially when it would be obvious who made the report and as someone above said in some places there is a lot of distrust around authority.
 
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Just listened to Urfan Sharif’s 999 call from Pakistan and its harrowing

the 999 operator did such an amazing job

also Beinash Batools call to a travel agent she is as calm as a cucumber
 
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