Me either but reading about it online it was close to where I live. I thought the program looked good in the adverts so was planning to give it a watch, I didn’t realise it was based on a true story or what it was actually about though.
Me either but reading about it online it was close to where I live. I thought the program looked good in the adverts so was planning to give it a watch, I didn’t realise it was based on a true story or what it was actually about though.Channel 4's Deceit challenges narrative on real-life honeytrap operation | Radio Times
In this examination of what happened after the 1992 murder of Rachel Nickell, it was vital to centre the female perspective, argues writer Emilia di Girolamo in an exclusive column for RadioTimes.comwww.google.com
I wasn't really aware of this story tbh
How did you not know about the Rachel Nickell murder? It’s infamous. Absolutely horrific and was all over the news at the time. Colin Stagg went through an awful time.Me either but reading about it online it was close to where I live. I thought the program looked good in the adverts so was planning to give it a watch, I didn’t realise it was based on a true story or what it was actually about though.
Very insightful, thanks!Contrary to logical expectation, not all murders are entirely psychopathic. However, the depression aspect is likely to come from several aspects...
Firstly, there are phases to the build up before an offence. So, there is the initial urge or fantasy, followed by a reinforcement of those urges via pornography, then a planning phase which overlaps this. Not many people get to this point, often porn is enough. However, some do.
Secondly, sexual offenders who go on to murder often start with minor offences. Indecent exposure or burglary with a sexual element. Whereas violent crimes or animal abuse are more common starter crimes for psychopaths.
He is likely to have experienced a high whilst planning and committing this crime but that will have been short lived. Think of it like a high from gambling, the excitement when you place the bet, the possibility of winning, followed by the low when you don't win.
With the small amount of info we (the public) have, I'm not convinced he's entirely psychopathic, although he will have traits.
The depression comes from a combination of things. He's lost his family, he has ruined his life, he's lost his freedom. He may feel guilty but that guilt is unlikely to be victim based. It's all about him and how he feels. That's where the psychopathic elements to his personality come in to play.
My opinion is that he will have committed crimes similar to those known about - indecent exposure etc. There may also be a history of abusive behaviour toward sex workers but I very much doubt there are other murders.
It's a really good job he has been stopped now though. Very similar to the guy called Pawal who murdered Libby in Hull (sorry, I can't remember surnames).
I'll caveat all of that by saying that without access to his medical records, I'm generalising based on his offence compared to similar offenders
It happened before I was born, but when I read the details (the fact it happened in a park in front of her son) it did ring a bell.How did you not know about the Rachel Nickell murder? It’s infamous. Absolutely horrific and was all over the news at the time. Colin Stagg went through an awful time.
People she met on the train or something more sinister?CCTV footage revealed that the schoolgirl was travelling with a man and a woman.
Some justice for Bernadette: https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk...-found-guilty-of-murdering-bernadette-3323724
'Today a unanimous verdict was delivered by the jury, with Scott Walker found guilty of murder.'
'Scott Walker was convicted of murder and two counts of perverting the course of justice, relating to knowing or believing she was dead. The jury were not asked to deliver verdicts on the other two perverting the course of justice counts, as they were ‘alternative’ counts.
No verdicts have been given for the charges against Sarah Walker, and the jury were told that a majority verdict would be acceptable for those counts. This means that a verdict on which at least 10 jurors are agreed can be taken.'
I was just reading the family tribute on the TVP page, this last paragraph got me:Two teenagers, 14, are found guilty of murdering 13-year-old boy
Two 14-year-old boys have been found guilty at Reading Crown Court of the murder of Olly Stephens, 13, who was 'lured' to a park in the Berkshire town and fatally stabbed.www.dailymail.co.uk
Glad they've been found guilty. I've been following this case and couldn't believe what I was reading when the attackers text messages were published. This is cold blooded murder and as young as they are I want them to feel the full force of the law. I'm sick of how soft on crime the UK has become.
Broken homes, poverty, feral kids left to their own devices, getting involved with gangs, drugs, the lure of easy money, huge influence of culture from the USA, running around acting and talking like they're gangsters, tit for tat killings, perceived respect. That's what I see on social media and in the trials I follow.What I want to know is what's led to the huge increase in people stabbing other human beings like it's nothing. Because it isn't just idiotic young people, it seems to be across all age groups although the majority is young men in their late teens/early 20s.
What's changed for someone to go from a regular silly argument to deciding to stab someone? Until that's addressed, nothing will change.
There’s a channel 4 documentary, I want to say it’s 24hrs in police custody, and it covers the effects of knife crime and how it effects young male adults. As a mother to a little boy who was considering moving back to the city… no way after this show. Horrified me.Broken homes, poverty, feral kids left to their own devices, getting involved with gangs, drugs, the lure of easy money, huge influence of culture from the USA, running around acting and talking like they're gangsters, tit for tat killings, perceived respect. That's what I see on social media and in the trials I follow.
And no, I don't know what the answer is.
But you're right, it is across all age groups now. I don't think I'm wrong in thinking a lot of men (because it is mainly men) take a knife out with them now on a night out.
Sorry to say but I live in a small borough and we’ve lost lads to knife crime. It’s the way of the world. Education in schools has to be the way. From what I read in the daily trial reports, it seems like even this poor lad himself carried as well. Awful.There’s a channel 4 documentary, I want to say it’s 24hrs in police custody, and it covers the effects of knife crime and how it effects young male adults. As a mother to a little boy who was considering moving back to the city… no way after this show. Horrified me.
My husband grew up in inner city Birmingham and was mugged on a bus when he was 16. Took his phone, bus pass, wallet, money. He was threatened with a knife and no one helped him. He told me for years after that he carried a knife, and this just makes me sick to my stomach. My husband is a really gentle, sweet, educated bloke and the fact he had to carry a knife because he was scared of being mugged again just makes my stomach ache. He said he felt as if he had no choice.
I’d never move to a big city, despite me missing my home and the opportunities that come with being close/in a city.
There’s a channel 4 documentary, I want to say it’s 24hrs in police custody, and it covers the effects of knife crime and how it effects young male adults. As a mother to a little boy who was considering moving back to the city… no way after this show. Horrified me.
My husband grew up in inner city Birmingham and was mugged on a bus when he was 16. Took his phone, bus pass, wallet, money. He was threatened with a knife and no one helped him. He told me for years after that he carried a knife, and this just makes me sick to my stomach. My husband is a really gentle, sweet, educated bloke and the fact he had to carry a knife because he was scared of being mugged again just makes my stomach ache. He said he felt as if he had no choice.
I’d never move to a big city, despite me missing my home and the opportunities that come with being close/in a city.
we live in a fairly big town, and we’re trying to move away to somewhere smaller and quieterThere’s a channel 4 documentary, I want to say it’s 24hrs in police custody, and it covers the effects of knife crime and how it effects young male adults. As a mother to a little boy who was considering moving back to the city… no way after this show. Horrified me.
My husband grew up in inner city Birmingham and was mugged on a bus when he was 16. Took his phone, bus pass, wallet, money. He was threatened with a knife and no one helped him. He told me for years after that he carried a knife, and this just makes me sick to my stomach. My husband is a really gentle, sweet, educated bloke and the fact he had to carry a knife because he was scared of being mugged again just makes my stomach ache. He said he felt as if he had no choice.
I’d never move to a big city, despite me missing my home and the opportunities that come with being close/in a city.
I saw a study that also mentioned that the pandemic has also led to more knife crime as children spent a lot of time out of school and therefore could easily be groomed into gangs. It’s a scary world.Broken homes, poverty, feral kids left to their own devices, getting involved with gangs, drugs, the lure of easy money, huge influence of culture from the USA, running around acting and talking like they're gangsters, tit for tat killings, perceived respect. That's what I see on social media and in the trials I follow.
And no, I don't know what the answer is.
But you're right, it is across all age groups now. I don't think I'm wrong in thinking a lot of men (because it is mainly men) take a knife out with them now on a night out.
I've thinking about this loads in relation to when I was 13-14 (back in the dark ages of '87-88) and why there weren't more kids stabbing eachother. My school was rough as hell, there was a lot going on in a lot of our lives and a lot of rage and hormones flying around.I saw a study that also mentioned that the pandemic has also led to more knife crime as children spent a lot of time out of school and therefore could easily be groomed into gangs. It’s a scary world.
I think there’s also an element of it’s the only “control” he has left?I’m curious to hear from someone who knows about the psychology of people like him about him now being ‘depressed’ (the daily mails word not mine) because surely someone as psychopathic as him wouldnt be feeling ‘depressed’/not eating because he feels guilty, so why isn’t he eating? Is it because he selfishly can’t go out and satisfy his urges anymore so that’s making him feel bad or is he just going to try and kill himself to get out of going to prison for the rest of his life? I read a line in the article that someone said ‘the enormity of his crimes is now catching up to him’ but surely someone as sickening as him doesn’t feel guilt? So what is it that he’s thinking about?
Completely agree, also think the games they play online involving “kills” do not help the situation eitherI've thinking about this loads in relation to when I was 13-14 (back in the dark ages of '87-88) and why there weren't more kids stabbing eachother. My school was rough as hell, there was a lot going on in a lot of our lives and a lot of rage and hormones flying around.
I think it may have something to do with the relentless nature of social media and chat apps nowadays. Kids are in touch 24/7, winding eachother up, getting eachother hyped up and finding grievances. There's no cool down time to get a sense of perspective. They're just completely immersed in their own world and this combined with the intensity of teenage hormones is a toxic mix.
Hope that makes sense!
That's a good point. There was a BBC story yesterday about Bernadette's murder and it touched on similar:I think there’s also an element of it’s the only “control” he has left?
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