Real Life Crime and Murder #18

[Lovelula]

I've heard of this story in Ireland but the article does not hint at a motive??
Mental health??Insurance scam?What are your thoughts folks...

Woman accused of faking her death with bogus medical reports sent for trial

A Dublin woman accused of faking her death with bogus medical reports and perverting the course of justice has been sent forward for trial.

m.sundayworld.com

 

[LauraGeeGee]

I've heard of this story in Ireland but the article does not hint at a motive??
Mental health??Insurance scam?What are your thoughts folks...

Woman accused of faking her death with bogus medical reports sent for trial

A Dublin woman accused of faking her death with bogus medical reports and perverting the course of justice has been sent forward for trial.

m.sundayworld.com

Insurance scam?

Found this from 2015...

Woman stole €132,000 to repay money she had taken from former job

Amy McAuley (26) given two year suspended sentence after confessing to theft

www.irishtimes.com

 

[Multi-21]

I watched the bbc show about the Dr Brenda Page murder trial this week and was shocked the jury returned a verdict within 3 hours. Especially as it was an historical case with only circumstantial evidence. I felt pleased for the family but it wasn’t the verdict I was expecting (or would have given myself) especially in such a quick turnaround

 

[blueblue]

I watched the bbc show about the Dr Brenda Page murder trial this week and was shocked the jury returned a verdict within 3 hours. Especially as it was an historical case with only circumstantial evidence. I felt pleased for the family but it wasn’t the verdict I was expecting (or would have given myself) especially in such a quick turnaround

I thought that was really interesting in terms of setting gender based violence in a historical context, ie only 3 grounds for divorce, he just never paid her the settlement, the only access women (successful genetic scientists no less) had to oil boom money was via escorting. Well done her friend who said she would have done it too, it was a professional employment opportunity.

There's a piece on the BBC today about the Scottish Prison Service needing a care home setting for elderly prisoners convicted of historic crimes. So many brave women coming forward.

 

[Liverbird2003]

I have just finished reading an article in the DM about this. I personally find this method incredibly cruel, plus the fact that he had been on death row since 1988. I realsie that having to wait this long, is part of the punishment, but it seems barbaric to me.

He was initially sentenced to life imprisonment, then it was overturned in 1996 to the death penalty. Something I learnt today was he asked for the nitrous gas to be used, thinking there was no way the state would use something untested. They called his bluff!
It sounds an awful way to die. I am against the death penalty anyway. Punishing someone for killing someone, by killing them.

 

[Unicorn_Poop]

I’ve been reading about Alfie Steele today and it’s honestly so shocking that so many people raised concerns over a long period of time but he still remained in the home until he was murdered. Even when teachers, neighbours etc are raising concerns and telling the authorities what they have seen he wasn’t protected. I can’t imagine what he went through.

This quote from the report the makes me think wtf "were often hampered by two adults who sought to deliberately lie, mislead and cover up what was happening to this little boy" were they expecting his mum and her piece of tit boyfriend to be honest and say they were abusing Alfie? They had reliable people giving them information about what was going on in that house.

Social services needs a huge shake up, I did my degree 20 years ago now and there was talk of lessons being learned (in the wake Victoria Climbe and Baby P ) and better practice and interagency working then but still the same things happen again and again and the same trite lines are being trotted out two decades on.

Over 60 separate calls and nothing done. My blood runs cold hearing the 999 call saying they’re doing something bad to him in the bath. That woman who reported it must be distraught

 

[Dollylovesshoes]

There was sky crime on last night about the Mulhall sisters,I read a book about it few years ago,my god it was distressing,I just wonder are they living a quiet life now they are free,known as scissor sisters,the bloke they killed was vile and evil,but to go to breakfast with a decapitated head in a bag,made me feel sick.

 

[ploddertoo]

There was sky crime on last night about the Mulhall sisters,I read a book about it few years ago,my god it was distressing,I just wonder are they living a quiet life now they are free,known as scissor sisters,the bloke they killed was vile and evil,but to go to breakfast with a decapitated head in a bag,made me feel sick.

I think I read recently one of them us living in the UK

 

[Dizzy]

Totally agree.

They say “oh nobody else gets as much stick for making a mistake at their job as we do” but the mistakes in question are literally the difference between life and death. Every serious case review has the same failings listed and they’ve not learnt from them, of course people are frustrated.

Even the ones where it doesn’t end in death, it’s unnecessarily prolonged suffering for the same failings. The whole system needs to be overhauled, I’m sure most individual workers care deeply about the people they encounter but the decision making just isn’t there and it’s always “there’s no communication between boroughs/counties/departments so X concern wasn't passed on and we couldn’t realise that X had happened, Y was happening and Z was the inevitable result”.

People say they’re baby snatchers but it’s the exact opposite to me, they leave kids in situations nobody should be left in for far too long then pull shocked Pikachu faces when the inevitable happens.

Agree with everything you say. Another thing to consider is how some social workers become numb to what they’re dealing with every day. I have a friend who’s been a SW for 12 years (which she often says is too long in the profession) and she says she’s now completely desensitised to her cases and they rarely affect her. Very sad but I guess if you’re doing that job every day it’s likely to happen. I know I couldn’t do it.

 

[Eureka]

I'm a social worker. There are good and bad social workers and their are social workers who are so burnt out and overburdened that they can't work as effectively as they need to. The system we work in is also not compatible with the work we do, we have limited power or influence as individual workers and are relying on our line managers who often have no personal knowledge of the family.

 

[VicksterIcon]

I watched the bbc show about the Dr Brenda Page murder trial this week and was shocked the jury returned a verdict within 3 hours. Especially as it was an historical case with only circumstantial evidence. I felt pleased for the family but it wasn’t the verdict I was expecting (or would have given myself) especially in such a quick turnaround

There’s an excellent podcast called Murder In The Granite City regarding this case.

 

[repairshoplover]

There seems to be a new real crime series starting on Tuesday the 30th at 9pm on ITV. It starts with the tiktok murders.

 

[ordinaryjelly]

Sorry to go back to the death row conversation. I have a friend on death row. He had been in Chilicothe, Ohio for 25 years. He is very much a human. I have visited him twice. I am certainly not in love with him. I have children and a husband. He is just a friend. A very dear, sweet human. A side of which society never got to see as he was sentenced agreed 20.

We have never talked about his crime.

 

[Aberscot]

Fugitive who faked death may be forced to court

Nicholas Rossi, who faces rape charges in Utah, has again refused to appear via video link from prison.

www.bbc.co.uk

They are going to make him appear in court by force if necessary
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Sorry to go back to the death row conversation. I have a friend on death row. He had been in Chilicothe, Ohio for 25 years. He is very much a human. I have visited him twice. I am certainly not in love with him. I have children and a husband. He is just a friend. A very dear, sweet human. A side of which society never got to see as he was sentenced agreed 20.

We have never talked about his crime.

Can I ask what was his crime ? If you don’t want to say thats fine.
I just can’t see how he could be a sweet human if he’s on death row, he must have killed or harmed someone.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

Sorry to go back to the death row conversation. I have a friend on death row. He had been in Chilicothe, Ohio for 25 years. He is very much a human. I have visited him twice. I am certainly not in love with him. I have children and a husband. He is just a friend. A very dear, sweet human. A side of which society never got to see as he was sentenced agreed 20.

We have never talked about his crime.

Did you know him before the crime?

 

[NeverEnough]

Sorry to go back to the death row conversation. I have a friend on death row. He had been in Chilicothe, Ohio for 25 years. He is very much a human. I have visited him twice. I am certainly not in love with him. I have children and a husband. He is just a friend. A very dear, sweet human. A side of which society never got to see as he was sentenced agreed 20.

We have never talked about his crime.

What did the dear sweet human do to end up on death row?

The only person I can find who has been on Ohio death row fir 25 years is.

William Sapp (serial killer) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Prolific paedophile rapist, killer of two young girls, and a third person for good measure.

Chuck in cruelty to animals and you have an almost textbook definition of pure psychopath.

 

[Eureka]

Sorry to go back to the death row conversation. I have a friend on death row. He had been in Chilicothe, Ohio for 25 years. He is very much a human. I have visited him twice. I am certainly not in love with him. I have children and a husband. He is just a friend. A very dear, sweet human. A side of which society never got to see as he was sentenced agreed 20.

We have never talked about his crime.

I'd love to know more about that if you are comfortable sharing.

 

[Bread]

I can't believe that execution went ahead. It's disgusting. You can tell a lot about a country by how they treat their prisoners and their animals. I don't care what that bloke did, we don't torture people to death in a civilised society.

Onto another matter ... Out of interest, does anyone know why a lot of men with mental illnesses kill people and fewer women do? I'm not saying women don't.. but there doesn't seem to be so many of them.

 

[maytoseptember]

Onto another matter ... Out of interest, does anyone know why a lot of men with mental illnesses kill people and fewer women do? I'm not saying women don't.. but there doesn't seem to be so many of them.

Men in general commit the vast majority of murder, violent crime and sexual crimes. It’s partly due to male socialisation, but testosterone also plays a massive role. Not just in making men physically much stronger than women - it affects behaviour, especially anger.

 

[LaBlonde]

Onto another matter ... Out of interest, does anyone know why a lot of men with mental illnesses kill people and fewer women do? I'm not saying women don't.. but there doesn't seem to be so many of them.

a lot of mental health conditions manifest differently in men and women (however, for the most part, the primary studies focused on men so it’s those traits that historically get used to define the condition) - the conditions themselves (whatever it may be) also get tangled up in gender norms/roles/stereotypes anyway, so i imagine men do for the most part become more violent towards others whereas women (based on general reading) are more likely to do harm to themselves in that scenario. i know that theory has been used a lot to explain why the vast majority of school/college shooters are male.

but as said above, it is also simple statistics that men commit more violent crimes.