I'm intrigued as to what the defense are actually gonna say. Maybe they will do a diddy, and not say anything cus it's all pretty damning isn't it. He was alive and happy and now he's abused and dead. What else is there left to say!
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Exactly.There’s 2 stories come out during the trial of why Varley “supposedly “ left the bathroom. One was to fetch towels and the other to change his pyjamas. Not that I believe a word but why would anyone choose to leave a baby in the bath to change your own pyjamas
You never leave a small child alone in the bath, even for a few moments. Babies and toddlers can wriggle out, they can try to climb out of the bath to follow you and slip and fall, they can slide under the water in a heartbeat.
If she bathed him on that day as has been reported she would have seen some of the 30 external bruises on that poor boy. She must have noticed them…
This is very odd! What does it mean? It seems like she suspected something wasn't right!
How many baths did this child have a day!! I don't really want to know but it's like he was always in the bath!!
On a particularly bad day my kids would seem to live in the bath and it often felt like as soon as they were clean they needed another bath. However I think poor Preston was bathed to wash away evidence or because the monsters got a sick thrill from it
I wish I could’ve loved Preston and gave him the life he deserved. This truly is horrific, how can anybody hurt a child 
I don't think poor Preston had a second bath, his grandma bathed him and that was it. The bath story was that disgusting monsters excuse for Prestons collapse, I guess he had to think of any excuse but as has been said by the witnesses, Preston was dry, it was only meant to be about 10 minutes after apparently being found in the bath that he was at a&e so he would've still been wet from the bath if he had been in the bath.
I really don’t think I could ever be a barrister. It used to be a job I wanted but I couldn’t defend someone like these two. And it must be so hard to put aside your personal feelings - BNE (iykyk) prosecuted Letby but now is having to defend this monster. I just don’t know how they do it but someone has to don’t they!
I don’t think they get a choice is my understanding but that might not always be the case
In order to ensure access to justice I don’t think that they can pick and choose. The rules are strict and they can only decline for the following reasons:
- Conflict of Interest: Acting for the client would break professional conduct rules.
- Lack of Expertise: The case is outside the barrister's practice area.
- Unavailability: The barrister has previous commitments.
- Improper Payment
Varley is 100% guilty but I'm with you on M-F. I'm curious what theyll have on him. Its just so awful. There are no words to describe it. My heart breaks for that poor baby. Thank god he had great months with his foster parents who sound like absolute angels.
I feel so sad for this little boy. I’m curious to know if they can interrogate the water company or electric company to see whether a shower/bath was run to disprove his claim, whether a runny poo nappy was found, messages from John to his friends and family and between the two. I find the shoes off thing really odd - you may take your shoes off when you get in but John was locked out and with how Jamie is dramatic that would be the last thing you’d do as he’s likely have been causing a scene when John got home. Unless the call from Jamie to John was telling him something was off. But you’d call an ambulance!! Not drive him to hospital. They could have called 999 and being given instructions on performing cpr instead of driving him to hospital with no resuscitation attempts. Was that to get him out of the house where evidence may be?!
I think the reassuring thing about BNE is we know how thorough and smart he is. So any conviction that comes will be absolutely sound. With one of the top KCs around there is no way anyone can claim there wasn’t a fair trial, or that there was any omission. When the guilty verdict comes in it will be the right one and having a top barrister defending is crucial to get justice for Preston.
Thank you for your thoughtful and informative poster @Emsie it's really useful to hear from someone who has become a parent through adoption.
I was quite surprised by how fast they went from initially meeting him to having him stay with them. I've read that 1 to 2 weeks is usual from initial meeting but he seemed to have gone there in about 3 days. I don't think that is due to them being gay and prioritised though. Just bad practice.
I believe that when preparing for adoption the prospective adopters are asked if they would consider a child that may have had exposure to drugs and alcohol in utero as well as disabled children or sibling groups. There's so many things that would have been covered in their adoption assessment that would have explained Jamie's "complaints" about Preston. I wonder if Jamie gave textbook answers from being a safeguarding lead rather than listening to the reality of what being an adoptive parent can be like.
I just finished the podcasts that are covering this case and two things really struck me. Jamie just sits and watches Preston on multiple occasions when the baby has fallen over or is being bothered by their dog or is unable to sit up in the bath. Sometimes he films it.
The other thing is under a spoiler as it's disturbing
Preston was diagnosed with chest infections twice in about 4 weeks. Was this as a result of aspirating liquid? I can't even type the rest of this. But aspiration bronchitis and pneumonia does happen. It's just usually food or inhaled drinks
I was quite surprised by how fast they went from initially meeting him to having him stay with them. I've read that 1 to 2 weeks is usual from initial meeting but he seemed to have gone there in about 3 days. I don't think that is due to them being gay and prioritised though. Just bad practice.
I believe that when preparing for adoption the prospective adopters are asked if they would consider a child that may have had exposure to drugs and alcohol in utero as well as disabled children or sibling groups. There's so many things that would have been covered in their adoption assessment that would have explained Jamie's "complaints" about Preston. I wonder if Jamie gave textbook answers from being a safeguarding lead rather than listening to the reality of what being an adoptive parent can be like.
I just finished the podcasts that are covering this case and two things really struck me. Jamie just sits and watches Preston on multiple occasions when the baby has fallen over or is being bothered by their dog or is unable to sit up in the bath. Sometimes he films it.
The other thing is under a spoiler as it's disturbing
Preston was diagnosed with chest infections twice in about 4 weeks. Was this as a result of aspirating liquid? I can't even type the rest of this. But aspiration bronchitis and pneumonia does happen. It's just usually food or inhaled drinks
The drowning in the bath is a load of rubbish anyway. JV took a video of him peri-arrest earlier in the day and he had a babygro on-so would be before any bath and should have been the point where he was taken to hospital. If your baby is in such distress you ring an ambulance, you don’t ring your partner and wait for him to come home. The tests they did, blood gases and lactate showed baby had been down for much longer than what these two said so they’ve lied straight away. The large beast JV sounds like a total selfish nightmare weeping and wailing and only bothered about getting sympathy and attention for himself. To have several professionals with experience of grieving parents describe someone in that situation as overly dramatic is a massive tell.
Also after videoing Preston struggling to breathe which he recorded and didn’t send to anyone or call for help he went on Facebook to message someone about buying their kayak. I literally can’t get my head around it. I think the hardest thing about this case is Preston is now dead and apart from the short time with his foster family he suffered and was failed and there’s no coming back from that, there’s no little boy having a nice time with a loving family and being three.
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