Preston Davey Trial

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How on earth did that little boy’s trousers go mouldy??
Disgusting and depraved .
 
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Does anyone get the photo of preston leaning on the cot... is he standing up with his arms and head resting on the bars or is he bent over in a sexual position and left dangling. I dont get the reasoning behind this if preston is standing up asleep resting his head on the bars then why would this account to anything sinister?
 
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Does anyone get the photo of preston leaning on the cot... is he standing up with his arms and head resting on the bars or is he bent over in a sexual position and left dangling. I dont get the reasoning behind this if preston is standing up asleep resting his head on the bars then why would this account to anything sinister?
Yeah, I'm struggling to picture it (maybe that's for the best, as they seem to be focused on this picture...).
 
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How on earth did that little boy’s trousers go mouldy??
Disgusting and depraved .
To be fair my little girl had a cake smash and I left her tutu with cake on it when I remembered to wash it there was mold on it. So I do think if sick has been on trousers and left for a while
it will go mouldy
 
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How on earth did that little boy’s trousers go mouldy??
Disgusting and depraved .
JV took the trousers to the police, he said Preston was wearing them the day he died. JV said he'd had put them in the laundry basket and they'd gone mouldy by the time JV and JFM were allowed back into the house.
 
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Does anyone get the photo of preston leaning on the cot... is he standing up with his arms and head resting on the bars or is he bent over in a sexual position and left dangling. I dont get the reasoning behind this if preston is standing up asleep resting his head on the bars then why would this account to anything sinister?
They haven’t described it in much detail but they are saying he was deliberately positioned and there’s more to come on this.

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JV took the trousers to the police, he said Preston was wearing them the day he died. JV said he'd had put them in the laundry basket and they'd gone mouldy by the time JV and JFM were allowed back into the house.
I think there was sick on them as well wasn’t there? Which could explain the mould on them if they weren’t allowed in the house for a while and they didn’t get washed.
 
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So out of interest, if the DNA can’t be determined to be from a particular source could the men not just say their DNA was on the cot from them touching it with their hands? I’m not defending them but just hoping they can’t wriggle out of this.
In isolation, yes, the transfer defence works. JV and JMF both “cared” for Preston (ughhh they did not, but you know what I mean). This daily contact would make it very likely that their DNA would be on his cot from handling it.

However, as I understand it the forensic finding isn’t just DNA on the cot. The context of where the DNA was found and what was found in the sampled area is really important. Forensics teams focus on an area to test, in this case identifying a stain that must have been visible in some way.

That single localised stain contained identified sperm cell/s, identified saliva, and a DNA mixture from both defendants, all co-located.

That combination defeats the transfer argument I think. Transfer could account for skin cells on a handled surface. It doesn’t explain semen and saliva deposited together in the same spot.

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It actually says stains plural were examined. So if the same result was repeated across different stains that adds to the weight of this evidence.

We won’t know until more information comes out though. It’s frustrating because I find scientific reporting to generally be pretty bad. I remember noticing this from the Letby trial coverage as well.
 
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In isolation, yes, the transfer defence works. JV and JMF both “cared” for Preston (ughhh they did not, but you know what I mean). This daily contact would make it very likely that their DNA would be on his cot from handling it.

However, as I understand it the forensic finding isn’t just DNA on the cot. The context of where the DNA was found and what was found in the sampled area is really important. Forensics teams focus on an area to test, in this case identifying a stain that must have been visible in some way.

That single localised stain contained identified sperm cell/s, identified saliva, and a DNA mixture from both defendants, all co-located.

That combination defeats the transfer argument I think. Transfer could account for skin cells on a handled surface. It doesn’t explain semen and saliva deposited together in the same spot.
And this bit makes me think if the photos shows Preston drooling, and the swab was taken from the same spot, it strengthens the dna evidence as being more sinister?

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I think there was sick on them as well wasn’t there? Which could explain the mould on them if they weren’t allowed in the house for a while and they didn’t get washed.
Yes that's what the reporting said. 'When they were allowed back in the house' . I expect it would have been a crime scene for some time.
 
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His responses in the police interview remind me of Savannah Brockhill. Arrogant twit who thinks he’s smart but really isn’t. I expect he may give evidence as he is the type to think he can win over a jury.
I hope he does.

The prosecution will slaughter him. His arrogance will be exposed for the entire court to see; he will get overconfident and contradict himself; he'll lose his temper and become abusive; he'll start to panic and begin crying; he'll hurl accusations at Preston's foster mother, the social services, the police, the lawyers, the judge, the jury . . .
 
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And this bit makes me think if the photos shows Preston drooling, and the swab was taken from the same spot, it strengthens the dna evidence as being more sinister?


Yes this is my thoughts on it aswell if they find the dna in same spot as the drooling on photo then it will make sence and it will tally up with the positioning of preston over the cot... absolutely sick to think my brains even going there ! 😪🤮😭😡
 
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He really doesn’t like it when someone doesn’t just eat up what he is saying does he?

Of course if you were innocent you would have good reason to be devastated to be accused of these crimes. But JV’s reactions are sneering and arrogant and angry in a way that is threatening to the officers. His natural instinct is to belittle and berate.
 
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The way he talks about Preston is with total contempt. You’d think he was training a dog. And even a dog wouldn’t be worthy of such treatment. I think it reveals a lot.
 
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And more contradictions with him saying Preston is a clumsy baby and bruises easily (told in the hospital) then denies in police interview that Preston has any bruises on him apart from one on a shin.
 
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A forensic swab could detect it. In the same way. However I seem to recall that in English law if a pen is used then it is referred to as grape but an object is used sexual assault by penetration.
I’ve been trying to figure out the precise charges levelled at JV.

Two counts of assault by penetration - basically this seems to be the bare minimum of what can be proven. I’ll spoiler the rest for anyone who doesn’t want to read graphic descriptions.

He’s charged with assault by penetration because they know Preston was violated but they’re unable to categorically prove it was with a pen… it could have been an object. It’s virtually guaranteed to have been a pen, but they can’t prove it, so they have to use the lesser charge of assault by penetration instead.

As for the two counts, again, in all likelihood it was much more than two occasions, but as the only proof comes in the form of bruising to Preston’s throat and bottom, they can only proceed with two counts.

Is this correct?

I hope this has zero effect on the length of a potential prison sentence.
 
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