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I said it on the previous thread but every time I see a little baby or toddler now with a parent/ minder talking to them, smiling to them, and just generally minding and caring for them, I think of poor little Preston. He was so helpless, as babies and toddlers are, and it's unbearable to think of how he suffered in that house of evil.
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Ive worked with children and young people in various capacities for the last fifteen years, and can easily say that by far the worst cases of child neglect I’ve ever seen have come at the hands of middle class professional parents. In fact one of the most chaotic mothers I’ve come across was actually a social worker herself. Her kids were bleeping filthy, foul mouthed and feral and yet there she was supposedly offering support to other parents. It’s mad. These people slip through the net because social workers and social services tend to flock around deprived areas, poorer families, young single mums etc. Its not that they don’t need help and support but they fail to regonise that abuse and neglect can happen anywhere regardless of class.
This case actually makes vomit rise in my throat. I've had to block it out as I can't read about it or see it anymore. That poor, poor little baby. Death is too good for them 
The rapes were the least of it, truly inhumane abuse. I asked about police, parents decided no. Dad was v dodgy, living under a false identity. I asked about therapy counseling something, and this was before the worst was known, elderly well meaning out of touch gp said best not, kid will forget.Oh, Lord!
That poor, poor boy. That's awful.
This is something that in any grape case, but particularly where a child is the victim, should be understood. grape isn't just a "one-and done" act. The repercussions stay with the victim for years, and often for life. This is especially true where the victim is a child and hasn't had the opportunity to grow and properly develop any resilience and self-worth. Sex crimes aren't treated nearly as seriously as they should be (the traveller boys' grape of those two poor young girls, for instance). Juries worry about "ruining a boys/ man's life"; they rarely think about the effects on the child/ girl./ woman who is involved.
I think the SW profession should be a very specific type of person. They should be confrontational, not afraid to ask questions, not afraid to make parents feel uncomfortable, even be intimating. You know like the same sort of presence as if the police were to knock on your door.
This is why I know I couldn’t do it. Hats off to all those social workers who are doing an incredible job, it’s a shame it seems there are so many who prioritise their own emotional comfort over a child’s safety.
I’ll openly admit, I’d be one who would probably judge a lower class family on benefits harsher than that of a high school teacher and a salesman with a beautiful house. Lesson learned from me.
This is why I know I couldn’t do it. Hats off to all those social workers who are doing an incredible job, it’s a shame it seems there are so many who prioritise their own emotional comfort over a child’s safety.
I’ll openly admit, I’d be one who would probably judge a lower class family on benefits harsher than that of a high school teacher and a salesman with a beautiful house. Lesson learned from me.
Why would JV’s Mother avoid any charges, or being called as a witness? She was caring for him frequently up to the day he died and must have seen the majority of his visible injuries.
It baffles me as neither side called her when she was so heavily involved and must have had her suspicions even if she didn’t voice them.
It baffles me as neither side called her when she was so heavily involved and must have had her suspicions even if she didn’t voice them.
Evidentially, she wouldn’t provide anything for either the defence or the prosecution. They will have taken statements off her during the investigation but I imagine these formed part of the non-disclosable evidence in the trial. It could have been a legal argument that resulted in her not being called as a witness. Effectively, using JV’s and JMF’s accounts, they didn’t need mum to be a w
It’s been said a few times but some of the bruising to his body was only visible after death.
I personally think she had suspicions of them being bad parents but no suspicions of SA and likely took what her son told her to account for the injuries and the hospital visits.
She had him on Wednesdays (if I remember correctly) but timing wise I think the SAs were done when she wasn’t going to see him. Plus, they caused seizures so any “off” behaviour JV and JMF would put down to that.
It’s easy in hindsight to think she should have known. Same with the info coming out about his upbringing/her relationships, I don’t agree that this was something that should have flagged in a background check or could have foreseen this happening.
For me the blame lays with JV and JMF, but if you want to look at others, then I would say medical staff and social services for not joining the dots and being “professionally curious”, I would then place his mum after them, then the school/colleagues. A number of people let Preston down. His foster mother tried to raise concerns and was shut down.
I think its hard to charge someone who lives outside the family home for not reporting suspicions of abuse and then the child dies. I'm sure it's something that's been discussed in articles around other cases. Even causing and allowing the death has only had the max sentence increased to life around 3 years ago (it was around 14 years max before that). Causing and allowing charges can only go towards other household members where the child lived.
Not saying I necessarily agree with it (although I do think it would be complex), just that there isn't a law in place.
Not saying I necessarily agree with it (although I do think it would be complex), just that there isn't a law in place.
Yes, I want a SW to scare me!!
Can you link this article please
He’s a racist thug but the dad does look mixed race to me
On the topic of class did anyone watch Damned on Channel 4 a few years back? It was a black comedy with Jo Brand set in a social work department. I can’t remember the details but I remember one of the storylines involved them interviewing a couple and Jo Brand’s character called them MCWD - middle class well dressed and how they probably wouldn’t face the same scrutiny because of it.
Though I wouldn’t have described JV as middle class. I haven’t seen as much of JMF to comment but as posters have said, in Blackpool the professional jobs with the nice house would have put them in that category.
Though I wouldn’t have described JV as middle class. I haven’t seen as much of JMF to comment but as posters have said, in Blackpool the professional jobs with the nice house would have put them in that category.
There are no guarantees she would recover.
I’ve followed every word of this trial, heard about the horrendous abuse Preston suffered but it’s only now that I’ve seen the ‘boo’ video that my brain is accepting that it’s actually real and it happened. His little face has broken my heart. I don’t want JV to die, that’s the easiest option for him. I want him to spend every single day of his life suffering, terrified and in pain. I want someone to bring him to the edge of death and then I want him to recover and wait for the next time it happens, just like he did to that poor baby.
I imagine the prosecution didn't call her because they felt, rightly as it turned out, that the evidence they had was more than enough without putting her on the stand, and the defence didn't call her because she was likely going to say something they didn't want her to.
She still should have her backside handed to her on a plate. I have a feeling she may have been frightened of JVs temper, and would rather he took it out on a baby than on her.
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Preston's foster mother is the unsung heroine here - she tried so hard to raise awareness, but was shut up by SWs and blanked by those two POS. She must be torturing herself, wishing she'd just rung the police, or forced her way into the house kicking and screaming or something. She did everything she could and was fobbed off and ignored.
Plus - and I know I'm being judgemental here - she didn't do a very good job of raising her own daughter
I've found the nans page but can't find him at all
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