I listened to that podcast last night. It’s not nice to hear more evidence but on this occasion, ie the JMF semen inside the slats of the cot, it was welcome: we all know he was just as involved as SO Reg Varley but obviously we’ve had some debate on here about reasonable doubt. Now there is no doubt. duck the pair of them. And yeah, I think we can put money on a couple of angry bored n0nces on the wing getting rid of them within the next couple of years.
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To his last day, we’re once again falling into the trap of thinking what a reasonable person would do in a genuine situation. We are all thinking “surely you would…” or “when I faced something like that…” This wasn’t 2 normal parents who’s child unexpectedly became gravely ill. Preston died to their abuse and they cobbled together a cover story that they’ve had to stick to even though it’s obvious BS. Their actions can’t be rationalised to our understanding because we would never be in that situation. Yet again I find myself bargaining “if only they did this or that” but by the time they acted he was already gone. His poor little life was effectively over as soon as they took possession of him. We can spot incidents where others had the chance to intervene and didn’t but ultimately we are just helplessly witnessing the evidence after the fact. That’s not to say our discussions aren’t filled with valid points, and frankly I think we need this space to share our horror and hopes for justice because we’ve all got Preston in our thoughts. Especially when irl lots of people can’t bring themselves to read about it let alone dissect the facts to make sense of how badly this precious boy was failed. Not much point to my post but I just wanted to say it.
Gotta think of that show home carpet, even in medical emergenciesJV’s shout for help out of the window upstairs to JMF and then the look of terror when he opened the door to him wasn’t enough for JMF not to kick his shoes off first, and place his keys in the holder then
7 minutes he was in the house when he got back from work, which is an awfully long time when a baby is that obviously ill.
Probably why he’s stuck to the version that Preston was vomiting when he got home.
I bet he’s been asked in interview why he didn’t have his shoes on when he first got to the hospital and he’s had to say he took them off when he first got back home.
Most people would have ran upstairs immediately and either rang an ambulance or take him immediately in your own car.
Ahhh you beat me to it hours ago 🥲
Just listening to the podcast and it jumped out at me that they all took a trip to Failsworth near Manchester on the day of the cot photos. Seems a long way to go just to buy a bed.. of course it also happens to be the place where Preston’s birth mum reportedly came from and committed her crime.
Is this just a strange coincidence or were they making some kind of weird pilgrimage with Preston that day?
Is this just a strange coincidence or were they making some kind of weird pilgrimage with Preston that day?
I'm still wondering why they couldn't mention semen found Inside the cot until now. First we heard the bars, so was it both? I don't get the secrecy in the slight difference, not sure what difference it makes to us. They also said on the podcast this evidence is really tricky, I imagine they went into huge details in court with professionals but we weren't privy to those details. I kind of get maybe keeping the professionals opinion maybe out of public interest so as other paedos can't find out how to avoid detection maybe
I think it’s just unpalatable, what news outlet wants to have SEO results for “semen”
I remember what a powerful moment it was in court during the LL trial when they timed the length of time it took her to intervene when there was a baby in distress infront of her, to show just how long it felt in reality. I hope they do something similar here during summing up so the jury can visualise just how long 7 minutes actually is when you have a dead/dying child infront of you when every second counts.
Aaah that's exactly what I was trying to think of before, I knew there'd been a court case where they'd used a timer to show exactly how long minutes seem under perilous circumstances. You really do see how long the time is.
Especially when your reasoning for not calling an ambulance is that you live 2 minutes away from the hospital. If your child wasn't already dead, those extra 5 minutes might have made the difference. I believe Preston was already gone by the time JMF got home, so it's irrelevant anyway.
Personally, if my child was dying in front of me, my partner was almost home and we lived close to the hospital, I'd be ready and waiting at the front door with the baby to jump in the car the second they got back (while on the phone to a 999 call handler who could be talking me through CPR). But then I'm not a child killing PDF who only saw that baby as another sex toy.
Exactly this. Any reasonable parent would be doing that or legging it out of the house in hysterics begging for help from a neighbour or passerby. They both make me sick.
when it was reported that his breaths were 19 seconds apart on the video I tried timing it when I was breathing and it really brings home to you how long it was. It would have been excrutiating/impossible for any normal person to film and not intervene.
His resp rate was 3 in a 1 minute period? Jesus Christ.
Exactly this. People saying this is what I would have done. Yes, because you are a decent, loving and caring person. Every time I see babies when I am out and about, it strikes me all over again how vulnerable they are. How helpless.
Words fail me to adequately describe this pair of evil guys. I keep thinking of a case here in Ireland where a little boy was murdered by his father's partner. Both are locked up. Her for life.
His mother said after the trial, I always told him there were no such thing as monsters. That keeps going through my head.
And they were rattling grunty breaths too. I tried holding my breath for 19seconds. It’s uncomfortable. Thick scumbag thought people would believe a baby in that state would be plonked in a bath seat playing happily straight after.
Last night I had a nightmare about my son, and its definitely because of following this trial, and that its playing on my mind. I can't get Preston out of my head and whenever I think of him I keep saying a little prayer
. Its really upset me, and I have to keep taking little breaks from it, I can't wait for them to have their fate sealed.
Death rattle 
Agonal breathing usually indicates cardiac arrest. He was almost dead. If JV had done CPR then instead of filming it and messaging JMF about a bleeping kayak, Preston might have survived
Jesus. I didn’t know about this. That poor baby, more and more suffering coming to light. Evil guys.
I posted up thread i wonder if thts why jv wanted the anti depressants ..to drug him to knock him out
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