Preston Davey Trial #2

[CaptainBob]

The absolute arrogance of this pair of horrific men is unbelievable, they are either running cut throat defences against one another and blaming each other wholly once they begin their defence or they believe they stand a chance of being found not guilty - or I suppose, they know they are ducked and just want another opportunity to revel in their sadistic abuse.

I do understand people who don't want to read the details and information but it is important to realise that child sex offenders and murderers don't always look like people expect, they live in 'nice' areas, they have good jobs, they have friends & family.
The home is such a dangerous place for so many children and if reading all this absolutely devastating evidence makes one person raise an alarm when normally they wouldn't have because the offender(s) seem so 'normal', then reading about these two sub human horror shows of people is worth it.

 

[OriginalAntiInfluencer]

If this was in America they'd have the death penalty. I hope they both meet the same fate as Ian Huntly. Beautiful wee boy deserved the world

 

[Rubyroo160]

I’ll be interested to see if they turn on each other when the defence case is presented.

 

[stardust1]

Baby allegedly murdered by Blackpool teacher had human bite injury

Jurors at Preston Crown Court were shown the photo, taken from a distance, showing a darker shade on the child’s right buttock.

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

The positioning of photos in the cot are described here. Warning it is very disturbing

the CCTV of them arriving to the hospital is horrendous. I hope they are made to suffer, absolutely evil.

 

[Emsie]

This is so insignificant but wtf does JV look like with that blonde bob flicking it about like that. twit.

 

[Rubyroo160]

This is so insignificant but wtf does JV look like with that blonde bob flicking it about like that. twit.

I know it’s not a laughing matter but that did make me chuckle. He looks like an absolute moron (to say the least).

 

[Marcolf]

I haven't read the most detailed descriptions but it sounds as if all the physical evidence contradicts their story and implicates both of them.

I feel weird that they'll be defended (a joint defence?) by Nick Johnson prosecutor of Lucy Letby and something of a hero of those threads (is it the same Nick Johnson? Not Della's one?) but it is his job, and also essential these awful people are represented by top barristers across all the detail so they can't claim inadequate defence.

I'm feeling the same kind of disbelief as in the Letby case - that professionals whose jobs were all about protecting the vulnerable don't seem to have acted when they should.

How could it come about that hese two men, at least one a psychopathic sadist, were able to adopt a child with no obstacles arising in screening? What they did didn't come out of a clear blue sky one day. Are background and personal checks not able to uncover e.g. the extreme pornography they consumed?

How were all these injuries in such a short timescale, or concerns of the other mothers not flagged urgently? How did the social worker not act on her 'ponderings' after the baby's third hospital visit? How come professional attention and sympathy was diverted to the sadistic abuser and not the infant?

Gah.

 

[maytoseptember]

I feel weird that they'll be defended (a joint defence?) by Nick Johnson prosecutor of Lucy Letby and something of a hero of those threads (is it the same Nick Johnson? Not Della's one?) but it is his job, and also essential these awful people are represented by top barristers across all the detail so they can't claim inadequate defence.

Is it definitely the same person? Because it was my understanding that barristers choose their career path to be either defence or prosecution, and they don’t switch between the two.

 

[Marcolf]

Is it definitely the same person? Because it was my understanding that barristers choose their career path to be either defence or prosecution, and they don’t switch between the two.

Nick Johnson KC is listed as defence counsel. There are two Nick Johnson KCs but the 'other one' is a corporate fraud specialist. I think criminal barristers defend and prosecute.

 

[Pulltheotherone]

More often than not criminal barristers do prosecute and defend and it is the same barrister that prosecuted letby for at least one of the defendants here - I haven’t heard another name as yet but there must be one.
Interestingly Simon Driver in this case is the junior prosecuting counsel to Peter Wright KC who was Nick Johnson junior in Letby.

 

[Lyla001]

The absolute arrogance of this pair of horrific men is unbelievable, they are either running cut throat defences against one another and blaming each other wholly once they begin their defence or they believe they stand a chance of being found not guilty - or I suppose, they know they are ducked and just want another opportunity to revel in their sadistic abuse.

I do understand people who don't want to read the details and information but it is important to realise that child sex offenders and murderers don't always look like people expect, they live in 'nice' areas, they have good jobs, they have friends & family.
The home is such a dangerous place for so many children and if reading all this absolutely devastating evidence makes one person raise an alarm when normally they wouldn't have because the offender(s) seem so 'normal', then reading about these two sub human horror shows of people is worth it.

Absolutely this with bleepin bells on!! Hiding in plain sight. 'Salt of the earth' 'Oh , they wouldn't harm a fly' Abusers appear in ALL walks of life. And this is proof of just that.

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

Is it definitely the same person? Because it was my understanding that barristers choose their career path to be either defence or prosecution, and they don’t switch between the two.

If you're a barrister then you have to operate by the cab rank rule. You cannot refuse a client. Provided they can pay and the barrister is available then they have to take the job. We don't have barristers who only do prosecution work for the State/Crown. It means that even people accused of the most horrendous crimes have access to a good defence which then means that convictions are less likely to be appealed.

So if you're a criminal law barrister and very good at your job then you will do work for the CPS prosecuting and also be engaged by solicitors to defend clients. It also stops barristers from getting a negative reputation if they defend...well some one like these men.

Barristers have to put aside their own feelings in court and focus on ensuring that the principle of "innocent into proven guilty" is upheld.

 

[GingerJones50]

No, that's finally done it for me. I'm in tears. I had to go upstairs and cuddle my sleeping son as it somehow felt like I needed to.

Oh Preston, I'm so so sorry

I also feel so much for his poor Mum. Imagine getting your child taken away and then finding out this happened when he was meant to be going to a better life. Whatever the circumstances, she grew him for 10 months and you can't erase that.

She was contesting the adoption order. She stayed clean through her pregnancy and remained so for the rest of Preston’s life and had a good chance of getting him back. So sad she didn’t.

 

[Upintheair83]

Iv got Dr Gary Brucatos book on the scales of 'evil' , he wrote it with Dr Michael Stone. And it categorises evil and gives examples. I can't help but feel that these monsters would be up there with the worst- if not the worst. They obviously got a thrill out of his pain, they used him for their sexual perversions. They are sadistic and sexually depraved, gaining their sexual kicks from abusing this innocent, defenseless little boy who can't fight back. What could be worse? Even the worst of the worst in the book- the likes of Bittaker and Norris (who kidnapped women and tortured them sexually and filmed it) at least the women were adults, they did have a chance to fight back, they could run and kick and plead.....but this is different. An innocent who was going to be in their care to make his life better, who couldnt fight or plead. An innocent little baby, who just wanted to be loved. Surely this must be the worst case iv ever heard about. I can't see how its not. They must be the most evil walking on this earth?
Depraved, sadistic,gaining pleasure from his pain...using him as some sort of sex toy( like someone else said upthread)....there's times when I watch crime shows in the US and their justice system can seem pretty harsh at times, but my God- if ever there was a need for the death penalty then it's here. I'm in shock by this case. Prestons name should be everywhere right now- forget starmer or anything else. Prestons name should be all over the news and those that allowed this to happen should never have another night's sleep again. That goes for them all.

 

[Griftygardener]

The more I read, the more horrified I feel at the actions of this disgusting pair.
JV might have been the main perp, but there was no way that JMF was unaware of at least some of it, just from the photos and videos he received from JV. He is complicit at the very least, even if he didn't actually do anything to Preston.
JVs mother isn't much better in my opinion. She must have been aware of all the injuries if she was looking after Preston, changing his nappy etc. Why didn't she tell anyone?
The only person in this poor baby's life who gave a tit about his was his foster mum. I can't imagine how she must feel after handing him over to those monsters.
I also feel that this was their intention from the start, take an innocent child, spend a few months living out their sick fantasies, hand him back as a failed adoption while he was still too young to say what had happened and "enjoy" those memories for years to come. I don't think they intended to kill him.

I don't believe in hell or anything like that, so I can only hope someone gets to them in prison and makes the remainder of their lives painful and terrifying.
Absolute guys!

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

I know that defence barristers aren’t allowed to lie to the court, saying their client is innocent if they’ve said they did it but want to plead not guilty. I just wonder how they can be bothered to keep going when it’s so obvious the hideous creature they are defending is guilty. Imagine sitting across the table from that evil, arrogant wick JV and knowing he’s getting a kick out of reliving it while you go through the evidence You would have to completely detach yourself from the reality of it and only focus on points of law. I guess Nick Johnson et al will just pick at things so that the jury could theoretically have reasonable doubt about the case as it’s been presented. Everyone involved in any way, from people who knew and loved Preston, to the hospital staff who worked on him, the police, solicitors, jury, court staff, people who knew JV/JMF, even the journalists reporting will be affected for life by this case. I’m only following it from afar, I can’t look away, I have sons and little Preston looks so much like my eldest’s best friend when they were toddlers but I know it is affecting me so God knows how his mum and foster carers are getting through the days and nights.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Unfortunately I think that was part of the thrill for them, that he was such an adorable handsome little baby

Preston was an unusually bonnie baby - but no baby should be treated like this. (Begs the question though - would they have accepted a less cherubic infant? Or a girl?|)

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I haven't read the most detailed descriptions but it sounds as if all the physical evidence contradicts their story and implicates both of them.

I feel weird that they'll be defended (a joint defence?) by Nick Johnson prosecutor of Lucy Letby and something of a hero of those threads (is it the same Nick Johnson? Not Della's one?) but it is his job, and also essential these awful people are represented by top barristers across all the detail so they can't claim inadequate defence.

I'm feeling the same kind of disbelief as in the Letby case - that professionals whose jobs were all about protecting the vulnerable don't seem to have acted when they should.

How could it come about that hese two men, at least one a psychopathic sadist, were able to adopt a child with no obstacles arising in screening? What they did didn't come out of a clear blue sky one day. Are background and personal checks not able to uncover e.g. the extreme pornography they consumed?

How were all these injuries in such a short timescale, or concerns of the other mothers not flagged urgently? How did the social worker not act on her 'ponderings' after the baby's third hospital visit? How come professional attention and sympathy was diverted to the sadistic abuser and not the infant?

Gah.

essential these awful people are represented by top barristers across all the detail so they can't claim inadequate defence.

Absolutely this!

There can be no room for appeals under ANY heading. They need to be rotting behind walls for the rest of their vile lives.

 

[Tofino]

I know that defence barristers aren’t allowed to lie to the court, saying their client is innocent if they’ve said they did it but want to plead not guilty. I just wonder how they can be bothered to keep going when it’s so obvious the hideous creature they are defending is guilty. Imagine sitting across the table from that evil, arrogant wick JV and knowing he’s getting a kick out of reliving it while you go through the evidence You would have to completely detach yourself from the reality of it and only focus on points of law. I guess Nick Johnson et al will just pick at things so that the jury could theoretically have reasonable doubt about the case as it’s been presented. Everyone involved in any way, from people who knew and loved Preston, to the hospital staff who worked on him, the police, solicitors, jury, court staff, people who knew JV/JMF, even the journalists reporting will be affected for life by this case. I’m only following it from afar, I can’t look away, I have sons and little Preston looks so much like my eldest’s best friend when they were toddlers but I know it is affecting me so God knows how his mum and foster carers are getting through the days and nights.

I’ve often wondered how barristers of the worst perpetrators are able to defend them when they must know they are guilty. But by defending them properly they also ensure justice is served and minimise any chance of appeal.

It is a bit jarring seeing Nick Johnson KC defend JV (JMF has his own barrister - Whyte KC I think). But if we dislike what he’s asking then he’s probably doing a very good job.

Their role isn’t to find a way for guilty people to walk free. Their role is to deliver justice and one of those principles is to ensure every defendant has a fair trial. If a guilty person can’t have a fair trial then an innocent person can’t either.

 

[Tangent Tiger]

I find it too distressing to read about but have no doubt they'll be put away for a long time.