Pete Doherty

[markcorriganscrisps]

I don't think PD himself pushed Mark from the balcony but there's just an air (was an air) around him and his little in-group that felt pretty dangerous, especially for young people. I've seen various videos of the violent outbursts (there was one in last night's doc) and there was the stuff around Max Carlish (who, granted was problematic himself) where PD came across as fairly callous at times. There was also the taking young folks' money by putting on secret gigs and turning up (if he turned up at all) absolutely trashed and then all of the rumours about young girls and heroin. It's a lot.

I suspect he's probably somewhat of a reformed character (though that statement doesn't fill me with hope), but he was a pretty dreadful human in the years before.

 

[Warpaint]

It was weird that the witness said that Headlock and Roundhill were unaccounted for for a few minutes but she never mentioned Pete. Was he still in the room with her at the time? Also has the other woman present ever said anything about it?

 

[MrsLucas]

I can’t even imagine what Marc’s mum has had to go through it must be so very difficult and sadly after all these years still nothing. How on earth did he wind up back at a crack den? I do wonder if they were taking advantage of him for financial gain possibly.

 

[JL8828]

Years ago I saw Babyshambles in Edinburgh and a band called The Billy Bones supported them, they were brilliant, the best support act I’ve ever seen at any gig. We met the lead singer afterwards and he said Pete was very kind to them and chucked him £100 every now and again as he knew what it was like starting out and struggling. I have been a big fan for years and somehow missed this at the time. I’ve read his Mum’s book, yawn fest I feel however as a Mother myself can’t imagine what she’s been through. Hurt people hurt people right enough. Seeing him run down that street though disgusted me. I felt sick last night. How could someone be so cruel. He could’ve hidden his drugs somewhere and stayed with Mark till the ambulance came. Would’ve been a whole different story, he’d have been portrayed the Good Samaritan in the press. I just can’t believe he did that or his statement at the end of last night’s programme. Wonder if he could let it slide if it was his son like he wants Sheila to do.

 

[kittymeowlondon]

the cctv of mark falling used to be all over youtube now I cannot find it anywhere, anyone know why?

 

[CocoVenus]

I had a brief and fully consensual 'fling' with Pete not long before he and Kate got together, or maybe even when they had- I don't know but it would have been early days. What I can say from that time without outing myself is that Pete, as far as I knew (and that wasn't exactly much) seemed outwardly a decent enough person.

However he was an addict, and with that came an entourage of hangers on and enablers, each with their own agenda, as they knew they could make money off him. Be it dealers, 'artists', 'friends', 'protection' etc. Even his own management to an extent, as I found out to my own detriment in the end. As did Kate Moss when one of his 'trusted' inner circle sold pictures of her doing c in what she fully believed was a safe space with people she trusted. That should tell you everything about the morals of some of the people he considered friends.

I never met Paul Roundhill, but as much as he claims to have been a 'literary editor/agent' he was, by all accounts I heard from those who knew of him, a junkie and occasional dealer, and his flat was notorious for days long sessions.

Do I think someone desperate not to have their (often free or otherwise hugely compensated for if they could get it) drug supply, and also social status as one of that crowds 'in' people, cut off would go as far as doing something utterly bleeping stupid and violent whist under the influence, which could result in the death of an innocent person? Yes. Do I have any empirical evidence for this? No. I just hope Mark Blanco's mother gets the answers for her son's death she deserves.

 

[Sam5262]

It was heartbreaking to see Mark’s mum in that programme

 

[A-Soul]

I can’t even imagine what Marc’s mum has had to go through it must be so very difficult and sadly after all these years still nothing. How on earth did he wind up back at a crack den? I do wonder if they were taking advantage of him for financial gain possibly.

I read an article saying Blanco used to work at a bank, but he gave a lot of his money away to ‘friends’ and people in need. You could see types like Paul Roundhill exploiting his kindness for sure.

 

[Warpaint]

How did Mark end up knowing them lot in the first place?

 

[Lilylate]

How did Mark end up knowing them lot in the first place?

My question exactly, why was he even there and known to them? The documentary painted him out to be a gentle, kind, intelligent man who was going places with his acting, well brought up etc etc, but you don’t hang around places like that, with people like that if you aren’t getting involved in the same things they do. Not that he deserved to die, of course not, but I feel there’s a lot that wasn’t divulged..

 

[markcorriganscrisps]

My question exactly, why was he even there and known to them? The documentary painted him out to be a gentle, kind, intelligent man who was going places with his acting, well brought up etc etc, but you don’t hang around places like that, with people like that if you aren’t getting involved in the same things they do. Not that he deserved to die, of course not, but I feel there’s a lot that wasn’t divulged..

I did wonder the same myself. I felt a little bit like there was a bit of over-emphasis of the 'middle class-ness' of the family at times, for want of a better phrase (a bit like the whole 'perfect victim' thing, if you will).

 

[Silverback]

My question exactly, why was he even there and known to them? The documentary painted him out to be a gentle, kind, intelligent man who was going places with his acting, well brought up etc etc, but you don’t hang around places like that, with people like that if you aren’t getting involved in the same things they do. Not that he deserved to die, of course not, but I feel there’s a lot that wasn’t divulged..

Yes. I thought it was telling that he was in the pub ‘every day’, the landlady said- maybe he had a drinking problem. It wasn’t clear how he knew everyone at the flat- sounds like they did know each other prior, as the lady who was talking on camera didn’t say anything about Mark being a stranger. In the CCTV he wandered straight up to the flat alone so had obviously been there before.

 

[Warpaint]

I did wonder the same myself. I felt a little bit like there was a bit of over-emphasis of the 'middle class-ness' of the family at times, for want of a better phrase (a bit like the whole 'perfect victim' thing, if you will).

Yeah the stage school clips of him performing in the play rehearsal to wandering into a drug den was just an odd switch.

 

[GeminiMoon]

Middle class drug taking is nothing new. The artistic, literary types are often drawn to these kind of bohemian, experimental, subversive groups where drugs are rife and used, in part, to fuel creativity and performance. I’ve met guys like Mark appeared to be before - well-educated but a bit lost, creative but looking for their place in the culture and their success, keen to fit in and believers that they are part of a modern, UK equivalent of the Beat poets or something akin to that.

 

[tellmewhy]

I got the impression he was a drinker and maybe took c. From how they said he was on a different vibe and very excitable. Also in the pub every day and hanging out with drug dealers/addicts. Maybe he wasn’t using what they generally were but had bought drugs there before.
If he wanted to be famous and was hanging around the rock n roll pubs as they said in the programme, maybe he got close to Pete as he thought he could help him with that

 

[Lilylate]

Middle class drug taking is nothing new. The artistic, literary types are often drawn to these kind of bohemian, experimental, subversive groups where drugs are rife and used, in part, to fuel creativity and performance. I’ve met guys like Mark appeared to be before - well-educated but a bit lost, creative but looking for their place in the culture and their success, keen to fit in and believers that they are part of a modern, UK equivalent of the Beat poets or something akin to that.

You’re right, it’s nothing new, it was just completely hidden for that documentary!

 

[GeminiMoon]

I got the impression he was a drinker and maybe took c. From how they said he was on a different vibe and very excitable. Also in the pub every day and hanging out with drug dealers/addicts. Maybe he wasn’t using what they generally were but had bought drugs there before.
If he wanted to be famous and was hanging around the rock n roll pubs as they said in the programme, maybe he got close to Pete as he thought he could help him with that

He had a play that was trying to promote, didn’t he? He hoped that Pete or his crew would support it and help make it a success.

 

[Discombobby]

I knew Johnny Headlock back in the day. He was a violent, aggressive, antagonistic man who tried to get free entry into a club I was running by offering 'a go' on a 16 year old Peaches Geldof.

He broke into my friends flat and stole his clothes, I watched him stab a man with a plastic fork because the man retaliated when Johnny was harassing him on a pool table. The man is/was a danger I have no doubt in my mind he murdered Marc Blanco and I have no doubt that Pete knew about this.

Pete used to shaggy young girls and try to get them to have sex without condoms if they really loved him. He's odious.

OMG, that makes a lot of sense. rum. It's so disturbing to have to think that it hasn't been solved. The way that cop spoke to me, he seemed think the whole thing was amusing. He had no care for Mark whatsoever, just thought I was Pete's girlfriend for some utterly unknown reason. Fingers crossed it goes to court, without a trial because they admit it.
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Didn’t Johnny from Razorlight and Pete get into a huge fight some time ago?

Johnny from Razorlight is a total bellend. I met him once when his band were just coming up and I was working the venue the were playing. He was rude as heck. Acting like Elvis or something. The rest of the band were really lovely. LOL
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I had a brief and fully consensual 'fling' with Pete not long before he and Kate got together, or maybe even when they had- I don't know but it would have been early days. What I can say from that time without outing myself is that Pete, as far as I knew (and that wasn't exactly much) seemed outwardly a decent enough person.

However he was an addict, and with that came an entourage of hangers on and enablers, each with their own agenda, as they knew they could make money off him. Be it dealers, 'artists', 'friends', 'protection' etc. Even his own management to an extent, as I found out to my own detriment in the end. As did Kate Moss when one of his 'trusted' inner circle sold pictures of her doing c in what she fully believed was a safe space with people she trusted. That should tell you everything about the morals of some of the people he considered friends.

I never met Paul Roundhill, but as much as he claims to have been a 'literary editor/agent' he was, by all accounts I heard from those who knew of him, a junkie and occasional dealer, and his flat was notorious for days long sessions.

Do I think someone desperate not to have their (often free or otherwise hugely compensated for if they could get it) drug supply, and also social status as one of that crowds 'in' people, cut off would go as far as doing something utterly bleeping stupid and violent whist under the influence, which could result in the death of an innocent person? Yes. Do I have any empirical evidence for this? No. I just hope Mark Blanco's mother gets the answers for her son's death she deserves.

Thank you for sharing this, it's really interesting. I fully agree about the hangers on etc, and it was Ro that grassed Kate wasn't it?

 

[Discombobby]

Doherty did it. They bullied, robbed and beat Mark up. Mark returned and he was murdered.

they got away with it because they tattle on dealers and that's more useful to the Police than solving this.

I don't think Pete did it, but Headlock/Ro almost certainly did. Pete is covering for them. He was drunk and they took advantage, I'm absolutely sure of it.
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I don't think Pete did it, but Headlock/Ro almost certainly did. Pete is covering for them. He was drunk and they took advantage, I'm absolutely sure of it.

Sorry, for clarity- I meant I thought Mark was drunk and taken advantage of. My wording sounded like I meant Pete was. But I guess he was too, just has appalling taste in friends and 'literary agents'.

 

[Dotty Merton]

Yes. I thought it was telling that he was in the pub ‘every day’, the landlady said- maybe he had a drinking problem. It wasn’t clear how he knew everyone at the flat- sounds like they did know each other prior, as the lady who was talking on camera didn’t say anything about Mark being a stranger. In the CCTV he wandered straight up to the flat alone so had obviously been there before.

Thought I read that someone in the pub told him that PD was at a mates house round the corner and Mark was drunk and went stomping round to see if he could get PD to come to his new play. Mark was very clever (and yes possibly very pissed, as that doesn't sound like a wise move in the first place) and that might of rubbed caned people up the wrong way. I've worked in drug user support and there's a point of highness where paranoia kicks in and twatted people can react really badly to others that aren't on the same high. One, on meth, tried to kill me and a co-worker. Was pretty terrifying. Another had some dirt on their forehead, I said can I help with that and they went nuts saying I was trying to curse their third eye!